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you guys see the response from BLM on Cuba? 
I saw a bunch of crap saying AOC and her crew haven't said anything about Cuba yet, not sure if that's changed by now
https://twitter.com/sabrod123/status/1415496641658896391?ref_src=twsrc^tfw
I saw a bunch of crap saying AOC and her crew haven't said anything about Cuba yet, not sure if that's changed by nowhttps://twitter.com/sabrod123/status/1415496641658896391?ref_src=twsrc^tfw
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I mean, there is a difference between pledging support to the Cuban people and pledging support to the Cuban regime. The BLM letter clearly does the former.
This isn't to deny the government's treatment of its citizens; but I feel like a lot of conservatives are going out of their way to paint the statement as hypocritical because it apologizes for human rights violations in Cuba. I don't read it that way. And it is true that geopolitical treatment of Cuba by the liberal West has been a factor in their current economic situation.
Communism may or may not be a viable national system, but in the case of Cuba it's impossible to really tell since the U.S. and other superpowers have meddled in their affairs since the '60s.
This isn't to deny the government's treatment of its citizens; but I feel like a lot of conservatives are going out of their way to paint the statement as hypocritical because it apologizes for human rights violations in Cuba. I don't read it that way. And it is true that geopolitical treatment of Cuba by the liberal West has been a factor in their current economic situation.
Communism may or may not be a viable national system, but in the case of Cuba it's impossible to really tell since the U.S. and other superpowers have meddled in their affairs since the '60s.
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At the same time, doctors and engineers moonlight as cabbies in Cuba because wages for those careers are abysmal. I don't think it's a stretch of the imagination to assume devoid of U.S. meddling their brand of communism *would function.
Edit: I meant to say *wouldn't.
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Someone I know shared this on Facebook.
...I don't think Ben understands Don Quixote.
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Agreed. I don't think we should elevate Cuba as an emblem of functioning state socialism. But the utter fanaticism with which US conservatives rail against socialism/communism is frightening in its own right, and has led to significant geopolitical turmoil, which has made it more difficult for Cuba and other socialist countries to trade internationally.
All that aside, what's happening now goes beyond the US embargo, so it's disingenuous to reduce it to that for sure.
I saw this a few days ago. Ben insists he gets it, but that in this case "the windmills are real," or something like that. The guy's a hack.
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I kinda feel like we can place significant blame on one country for this in the 1940's or so...us backing away from Europe while another preyed on it seems like a significant piece you should be adding here
and I guess you could shift to our engtanglement in (east) Asia, but our influence didn't do much to those countries
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All this shit happening surrounding Matt Gaetz is entertaining as fuck. His future sister-in-law is on TikTok calling him a creepy pedo, then later came out to apologise for using the wrong word, he's actually "a ephebophile." 
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All this shit happening surrounding Matt Gaetz is entertaining as fuck. His future sister-in-law is on TikTok calling him a creepy pedo, then later came out to apologise for using the wrong word, he's actually "a ephebophile."
Gaetz is a smarmy motherfucker.
I missed this. Sure, the USSR had a part to play in the geopolitical upheaval of the later-twentieth century, especially given its role in the Middle East. I wasn't trying to actively ignore that as much as I was just saying that the U.S. red scare mobilized a half-century's worth of foreign meddling, interventions, and military escalation on our part that seriously upset shit for other countries. The USSR isn't innocent of this, but it was US animosity and hostility toward the Soviet power that augured their animosity and hostility toward Cuba. It was all games being played between superpowers that had serious repercussions for smaller countries.
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Gold. This reminds me, have you ever seen Pencis and Trump-Head?
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You sure about that? The letter demands that the US "end the embargo", which implies reinstating arms sales to Cuba, even though Cuba is a staunch ally of Russia. The BLM letter makes no mention of Russia, and my impression is that BLM doesn't give a shit about the danger Cuba poses as a member of an alliance hostile to the US, because BLM operates in an ideological vacuum where the world revolves exclusively around racial justice issues.
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Black Cubans were blowing up that #BLM statement online.
http://twitter.com/odettecasamayor/status/1415478463092363266
http://twitter.com/odettecasamayor/status/1415478463092363266
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