If Mort Divine ruled the world

[HamburgerBoy]

It is, but why say it? Lot of Bernie Bros are looking at those two worthless candidates and only going to justify that poor decision even more

She said it relatively early in the campaign, when the first primaries were starting, so she was probably wasn't as worried. To me the "living in the basement" thing wasn't even as bad as her stuff on free X, Y, and Z because it shows she might not have been pushed further to the left as Bernouts are hoping. It makes me feel better about her tbh.

 

[rms]

I imagine her motive to saying that is she's opposing a large tax towards the wealthy to pay for said gimmedat

 

[Dak]

I imagine her motive to saying that is she's opposing a large tax towards the wealthy to pay for said gimmedat

HRC is a monetary whoreface so of course.

 

[rms]

Not Mort, but don't think it fits in the Dak or News thread

 

[Dak]

Killer Mike's point could pretty much go for any group of supposed radicals, regardless of race.

 

[rms]

I think i'm more interested in what direction he wants blacks to go in. Self dependency is great, but is he advocating via Malcolm X or ? Cannot tell from that clip

 

[Dak]

I think i'm more interested in what direction he wants blacks to go in. Self dependency is great, but is he advocating via Malcolm X or ? Cannot tell from that clip

Yeah it wasn't super clear. It sounds like he's advocating keeping the proverbial nose clean on the part of younger blacks and telling older ones to stop instigating when they aren't going to put their own ass on the line. Ultimately he's really advocating for them to work within the system if they aren't going to start growing their own food etc (which on a broad level isn't going to happen).

 

[Dak]

We need to throw out science because gravity is patriarchical racist oppression.

CAN YOU EXPLAIN HOW I CAN SEND LIGHTNING BOLTS FROM MY MIND WITH MAGIC??

 

[Einherjar86]

And the war of the Two Cultures rages on...

 

[rms]

god damn bubbles still going to college

 

[EternalMetal]

We need to throw out science because gravity is patriarchical racist oppression.

CAN YOU EXPLAIN HOW I CAN SEND LIGHTNING BOLTS FROM MY MIND WITH MAGIC??

This is a ridiculous amount of fail. The empirical evidence supporting the factual basis of modern science is outstanding. Modern technology and medicine is built upon it and succeeds to the extent of it's ability. Just because science cant explain some obscure superstition that her 'people' (of which she is most likely more removed from than a part of) suggest is real does not mean that the body of work thus far should be scrapped. She is suggesting a complete reversion to caveman-level primitiveness based on logic that I simply do not follow. Oh yea, this isnt about being logical, this woman is just being so racist that she denies 'white people science'. Total insanity, why should faculty at any university be forced to listen to the rantings of a racist lunatic? She was probably 30 seconds away from being laughed off of her platform, but nonetheless this shit doesnt belong in a university. I bet she read this lightning bolt shit from an article online rather than experiencing the culture in which she came from firsthand.

The only possible way that her rantings have any grounds would be with allowing tribal communities to exist without 1st world intervention. Im mostly opposed to the attempt to indoctrinate cultures that arent a threat to our cultural ethos. This is kind of what this woman is trying to propose, except in reverse, and our response is less than accepting. We are opposed to their way of life because of science, and they are opposed to ours because of spirituality. The globalist mindset probably wants to civilize these people so that they can barter for untapped
resources, and doing so would probably be an injustice to their current way of life. These people arent aware of global affairs enough to properly speak for themselves. I took a class at Uni that highlighted the exploitation of oil from the Huaorani people of South America, and imo non-interference would have been the best way of dealing with such a culture. The Native Americans suffered similarly from a more advanced culture. This could be this woman's angle, but from a more radical insider (who is actually a projecting outsider) perspective. She could just be attempting to be the self-appointed spokeswoman for the African tribal communities just trying to create a paradigm shift in the greater-than-thou attitude of a more advanced society. If this was the case, id still find her argument to be unintelligible and misguided. Her proposal of upending science in place of spirituality on a scientific platform is bound to result in utter failure. Fuck your establishment of a 'safe space' of discussion.

 

[Dak]

Scientific objectivity is oppression bro. Stop being a bigoted racist sexist. DECOLONIZE YOUR MIND!!!!11!!1!!!

 

[HamburgerBoy]

South Africa is a shithole, what a surprise.

 

[Dak]

Decolonization is so awesome amirite.

 

[Einherjar86]

Scientific objectivity is oppression bro. Stop being a bigoted racist sexist. DECOLONIZE YOUR MIND!!!!11!!1!!!

Well, any purported objectivity is oppression, right? Because it's never actually objective - it's just where the privileged perspective chooses to mark its limits.

 

[arg]

glad i saw paris before this happened



this is what Hillary wants for America

 

[rms]

Well, any purported objectivity is oppression, right? Because it's never actually objective - it's just where the privileged perspective chooses to mark its limits.

I guess the ambiguous thing here is observation vs. interpretation?

 

[Einherjar86]

Observation entails interpretation. Seeing something will produce a different interpretation than listening to the same thing ("seeing" and "listening" both being modes of observation).

In other words, interpretation is built into observation. There's no such thing as an interpretation-less observation.

 

[rms]

so you can interpret without observing but cannot observe without interpreting?

Going to have to expand on this here, I understand the 'human' interpretation, such as we are automatically interpreting because we are human and not everything observes in the same way we do. But human to human, I don't understand.

For instance;

humans have thumbs

humans have thumbs because of evolutionary theory because that was a superior survival trait to not having thumbs.

 

[Einherjar86]

so you can interpret without observing but cannot observe without interpreting?

No, I never said that. I simply said you can't observe without interpreting.

Going to have to expand on this here, I understand the 'human' interpretation, such as we are automatically interpreting because we are human and not everything observes in the same way we do. But human to human, I don't understand.

For instance;

humans have thumbs

humans have thumbs because of evolutionary theory because that was a superior survival trait to not having thumbs.

"Human to human" is an example of drawing limits. You can't simply choose to demarcate a set of observational forms and say "Okay, we're being objective within these criteria."

That's the opposite of being objective.