If Mort Divine ruled the world

[EternalMetal]

Nothing I've said should be taken to mean that I think instruments cannot measure physical attributes of the world. I'm not saying that instrumentation can't give us relatively accurate representations of the world; but I am saying that even these purportedly "objective" readings can only render physical phenomena in a particular way in order for humans to actually read them.

Nothing about instrumentation is objective, for one glaring reason in particular: "objective" means that something exists in a particular state whether it is observed or not, but instruments interfere with the objective reality that they aim to observe. Therefore they cannot test any objective reality of an object. It's a logical paradox.

Heisenberg's uncertainty relation effects every situation, not just the measurement of microscopic particles.

I think im also getting sick of your 2-deep-4-U philosophical mental exercises. You arent entirely wrong, but this kind of analysis reminds me of that philosophy 101 horseshit that makes you question whether or not you even exist. You suffer from a bad case of philosophical pedantry. This discussion went from being a philosophical science discussion to one that is just pointless. Have fun if you want HB, but im with @Baroque here.

 

[Dak]

http://www.slate.com/articles/arts/...tones_how_the_rock_and_roll_became_white.html

long

I read/skimmed the whole thing and at no point does the "critic" get me to even care about the Rolling Stones, much less justify these assertions about how oppression or appropriation or whatever "took" rock music from black people. Maybe what happened is that elements were taken and then changed and mixed to a degree in which it was no longer pleasing to the ears of most black people?

 

[Einherjar86]

I think im also getting sick of your 2-deep-4-U philosophical mental exercises. You arent entirely wrong, but this kind of analysis reminds me of that philosophy 101 horseshit that makes you question whether or not you even exist. You suffer from a bad case of philosophical pedantry. This discussion went from being a philosophical science discussion to one that is just pointless. Have fun if you want HB, but im with @Baroque here.

Thanks for the diagnosis. I'm comfortable with it.

And if I may, I do believe that I exist... but I may not be entirely sure what "I" am.

 

[rms]

I read/skimmed the whole thing and at no point does the "critic" get me to even care about the Rolling Stones, much less justify these assertions about how oppression or appropriation or whatever "took" rock music from black people. Maybe what happened is that elements were taken and then changed and mixed to a degree in which it was no longer pleasing to the ears of most black people?

Honestly was thinking the same thing. Took the damn author ~12 paragraphs to even mention things relevant to the thesis suggested in the title.

 

[rms]

Thanks for the diagnosis. I'm comfortable with it.

And if I may, I do believe that I exist... but I may not be entirely sure what "I" am.

I'm just wondering why you went into a philosophical discussion about objectivity in science from a girl in South Africa saying de-colonize 13 times?

 

[Elric of Melniboné]

Boring article. Lots of white music is definitely derived from black music but there's no rule that black people can't keep making it too. I think that some white artists like Elvis Presley are overrated in the context of early rock music but I also don't think that Presley showed anything but reverence toward the black musicians of the era. Other bands, including The Rolling Stones, Led Zeppelin and the like continued to make music heavily inspired by black musicians into the 1970s and beyond but thos article makes it seem like there was some concerted effort by white people to invalidate the origins of rock music as being a creation of black artists.

I do think that it's interesting that many of the musical styles that are distinctly American in origin, such as blues, rock, jazz, country and hip-hop music are all largely the creation of black artists, but this article spends too much time on the conspiracy theory when it could have just been an article praising black musicians and it would have been a much more enjoyable reading experience.

 

[Dak]

I don't think the article is suggesting a concerted, conscious conspiracy theory, but is pushing a narrative that falls under the "systemic racism" umbrella of unsubstantiated bullshit.

 

[Elric of Melniboné]

Systemic racism is always a conspiracy since it requires a system of oppression to be in place. While there have been clear examples of that type of thing in American history, white people making and enjoying rock music isn't one of them.

 

[Dak]

You know it's BS when you can't win either way. If you don't like it it's because you're racist. If you do like it then you are appropriating.

 

[rms]

I just wanna see an article saying how hip hop was sold to blacks and injected a culture that was destructive. Or the opposite, just something.

 

[Einherjar86]

I'm just wondering why you went into a philosophical discussion about objectivity in science from a girl in South Africa saying de-colonize 13 times?

Well, Dak actually mentioned scientific objectivity first, so...

...

 

[Dak]

http://www.bbc.com/future/story/20161014-why-billionaires-have-more-sons

Some fucking realtalk on BBC.

 

[SentinelSlain]

What I've noticed, although few people seem to be willing to discuss this, is that while historically the political scene was at least vaguely connected with the current ideas about heredity and so on, now those things are entirely detached. Very nearly everything is genetic, or epigenetic, but eugenics couldn't be much more of a dirty word.

 

[rms]

https://www.rt.com/news/363256-sweden-returning-terrorists-benefits/

 

[arg]

The great Vikings are rolling in their graves as their homeland is ruined by these cucks

 

[arg]

lol mort's people

 

[Dak]

Video label is a little exaggerating, but the gist is there.

 

[Dak]

lol mort's people

That was painful. Props to him for engaging that babbling multitude, but it clearly was profitless. These people are not in any way shape or form reasonable. They can't even figure out how to take turns, or understand the difference between a general statement and a specific one.

 

[rms]

He has a point on free speech, but he comes off like a total fucking imbecile when the trans dude just asks him why won't he refer to him (they? fucking weird for 1 person but whatever) in a different manner

 

[Dak]

I'd never heard of the guy (Pederson) but apparently he's vocally in opposition against regulations of some sort to require people to use requested pronouns or something. Basically arguing for freedom of speech, which is of course HATE to these religious fanatics of the SJW cult. Funny how these things flip over time.