If Mort Divine ruled the world

[Dak]

Someone needs to publish a special SJW dictionary to catalog their slaughter of meanings. Some of the most referenced terms: Hitler, bigot, rights, and numerous words ending in -phobic.

 

[Mort Divine]

Won't defend anyone making comparisons to Hitler that are unwarranted.

It was used correctly here.

Let us not act as if reactionary right wingers don't harp on about rights incorrectly either.

Words ending in -phobic have been used in the way you hate long before 'SJWs' came around.

 

[arg]

I would humor a trans person's pronoun if they were a decent and cool type. But there should be no law forcing me or anyone to.

 

[Dak]

Won't defend anyone making comparisons to Hitler that are unwarranted.

It was used correctly here.

Let us not act as if reactionary right wingers don't harp on about rights incorrectly either.

Words ending in -phobic have been used in the way you hate long before 'SJWs' came around.

"That are unwarranted". But of course to SJWs it's always literally warranted. Bigot was not used correctly here. Bigot does not mean "People who disagree with me."

 

[Baroque]

"That are unwarranted". But of course to SJWs it's always literally warranted. Bigot was not used correctly here. Bigot does not mean "People who disagree with me."

I mean, it practically does in this case. A bigot is someone who is intolerant. Tolerant means "showing willingness to allow the existence of opinions or behavior that one does not necessarily agree with."

If someone is intolerant of trans people, they would be unwilling to use the terms that trans people have the opinion should be used.

 

[Dak]

I mean, it practically does in this case. A bigot is someone who is intolerant. Tolerant means "showing willingness to allow the existence of opinions or behavior that one does not necessarily agree with."

If someone is intolerant of trans people, they would be unwilling to use the terms that trans people have the opinion should be used.

The existence is there regardless of whether or not one particular person chooses to participate. He isn't stopping Mort from using the pronouns. We might agree to call it bigotry, but then that makes trans people who wish to force people to not use only he/she also bigots. Yay everyone is a bigot. Another word rendered useless, like racism and rape.

 

[Baroque]

The existence is there regardless of whether or not one particular person chooses to participate. He isn't stopping Mort from using the pronouns. We might agree to call it bigotry, but then that makes trans people who wish to force people to not use only he/she also bigots. Yay everyone is a bigot. Another word rendered useless, like racism and rape.

I don't use the terms either, so I'm a bigot too if the definition here is correct. Curious what would you consider bigotry then? Many people us included want to not acknowledge the existence of these terms nor use them, that's sort of the definition of intolerance of their culture. Are we not bigots in that case? It's sort of like denying someone a title in their religion if you don't believe in it, in a way. We use terms like "catholic priest" even if we are not catholic. We could be like "SJW Ze" for them or whatever the preferred title is, and for normal people just speak normally I guess.

 

[Dak]

I don't use the terms either, so I'm a bigot too if the definition here is correct. Curious what would you consider bigotry then? Many people us included want to not acknowledge the existence of these terms nor use them, that's sort of the definition of intolerance of their culture.

I think there would need to be some sort of regular action to stymie the disliked thing associated with the term for it to have its own meaning. Otherwise yeah, everyone is a bigot, so it becomes a useless term. OTOH, maybe this is a good thing.

Are we not bigots in that case? It's sort of like denying someone a title in their religion if you don't believe in it, in a way. We use terms like "catholic priest" even if we are not catholic.

Wouldn't this more directly relate to referring to them as transgenders? I wouldn't call a Catholic priest Father, although Catholics may.

for normal people just speak normally I guess.

The end goal is to lose the ability to distinguish anything from anything. When one cannot distinguish one cannot judge. When one cannot judge nothing can be done, and voila the end of history. Pretty much the end of everything. From dust we came, and to dust we may return.

 

[Mort Divine]

Hyperbole incarnate.

 

[Dak]

Hyperbole incarnate.

Yes, I'm literally (H)yperbole. You may refer to me as His Hyperbolness, or he (pronounced the same but differently, and if you can't do it it's because you're hyperbolphobic).

I guess we can add hyperbole to the dictionary.

 

[rms]

It may appear to be a stubborn and dick kind of move, but ultimately he is just an academic who does not want to nor should he indulge concepts that he does not fundamentally agree with.

but academics consistently define terms for their own meanings. Having strict definitions to words is something un-academics too, quite honestly.

If the new world order is that sex is male / female and gender is x/y/z/zhe/whatever then OK, there's nothing wrong with arguing in that framework.

But I have problems with any psychologist considering themselves academics

 

[Dak]

but academics consistently define terms for their own meanings. Having strict definitions to words is something un-academics too, quite honestly.

I would argue the opposite. Academics are much more strict with meaning/definition, even if they use slightly different meanings than the convention holds.

But I have problems with any psychologist considering themselves academics

I'm not sure the US is turning out much in the way of academics in any field, and the ones being turned out are on personal rather than systemic merit.

 

[The Ozzman]

but academics consistently define terms for their own meanings. Having strict definitions to words is something un-academics too, quite honestly.

Yep, I would argue this is the antithesis of any collegiate teachings

 

[rms]

I would argue the opposite. Academics are much more strict with meaning/definition, even if they use slightly different meanings than the convention holds.

might be strict that when arguing within a specific context this word means this, but understand that it defies conventional understanding and usually devotes a sufficient amount of words to help readers/students understand

 

[Dak]

might be strict that when arguing within a specific context this word means this, but understand that it defies conventional understanding and usually devotes a sufficient amount of words to help readers/students understand

Conventional understanding involves a lot of subjective fuzziness. A good academic attempts to eliminate this fuzziness. Propaganda exploits this fuzziness of meaning in the mind of the average person.

Yep, I would argue this is the antithesis of any collegiate teachings

Good point. Collegiate professor/course =/= academic.

 

[Cythraul]

He is hiding behind his wall of academia to defend his bigotry.

Nah, you're just being anti-intellectual and totalitarian. The legal requirement that people be referred to by whatever pronouns they wish to be referred to by is, contrary to the transparent attempts at gaslighting the public from the people pushing this stuff, really nothing less than the demand for the public affirmation of an entire (highly questionable) ideology concerning the nature of manhood and womanhood, the metaphysics of embodiment and of the self, and so on. 'Bigotry' doesn't mean disagreement with that ideology or the refusal to reform one's speech in accordance with it. Not unless you're engaged in low redefinition of the term 'bigotry' (nothing new for the left here!) Stop abusing language and stop pretending that a manifestly ideological push to overturn plain common sense about the nature of manhood and womanhood is just a matter of tolerance or respect.

 

[rms]

someone should remind Bill he did this back in 92

hahahahahhahahahaha I hate everyone

 

[Dak]

nothing less than the demand for the public affirmation of an entire (highly questionable) ideology concerning the nature of manhood and womanhood, the metaphysics of embodiment and of the self, and so on.

This is an excellent point, which unfortunately is far beyond any sort of useful public critique, as the public has their various ideologies and accepted metaphysical ideas without actually examining even the terminology, much less the respective philosophical roots and arguments.

 

[EternalMetal]

MTV strikes again. lol

 

[Dak]

"You guys can have Kanye"

lol racists.