If Mort Divine ruled the world

"It's insulting to the people who fought and died in the 50's and 60's to claim that things are just as bad now"

A) it isn't as bad today as it was prior to the 1960s, and not many people would claim that it is; and

B) if it actually was as bad today as prior to the 1960s, then I wouldn't care if anyone found it insulting.

I'm unmoved by financially comfortable African Americans dismissing contemporary racial criticisms just because they don't happen to be affected personally.
 
I'm unmoved by financially comfortable African Americans dismissing contemporary racial criticisms just because they don't happen to be affected personally.

Because they were always financially comfortable?

Elder was born in 1952, the second of Randolph and Viola Conley Elder's three sons.[citation needed] At the time, the family lived in the largely Latino Pico-Union district of Los Angeles. Elder's father, Randolph, was on his own from the age of 13 and worked a variety of jobs. He enlisted in the military and served as a cook in the Philippines during World War II. Following the end of the war, he was refused employment as a short-order cook many times because he had no references.

Elder's father moved to California and worked several jobs at once to support his family. He also attended night school to earn his GED. By his early forties he had saved enough to open his own café, which he successfully owned and operated near downtown Los Angeles for 30 years. On his radio show, Elder said about his father: "A tougher life I have rarely come across. Yet he never hated, he was never bitter, he never condemned his circumstances, and he always said there are very few problems that cannot be solved through hard work." Elder told a Reason interviewer in 1996 that his father was his role model: "He was the hardest working man I've ever known.... He had a work ethic that was beyond belief."[29]

In 2013, Larry Elder and his brother Kirk accepted a Congressional Gold Medal from U.S. Representative Dana Rohrabacher on their father's behalf.[30]

I'm likewise unmoved by financially comfortable AA complaining about systemic racism being the reason everyone can't have the life they and their parents have enjoyed.
 
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No, not because they were always financially comfortable. But just because one person happens to find success is by no means evidence that everyone can do so.

I'm really over all this complaining about why so many people can't pull themselves up by their own bootstraps.
 
I'm really over all this complaining about why so many people can't pull themselves up by their own bootstraps.

Similarly, many are over complaints of racism as to why people can't find success.

I'm not saying everyone is capable of bootstrapping themselves to success. I am saying that the reasons someone can't find success has little to nothing to do with racism, and the fact that many many many minorities, including AAs, find success is a major point of proof among many.
 
gotta admit that every black republican sounds like a brainwashed fox news viewer though. they use the same buzzwords, phrases etc. bleh
 
Sounds like a lotta Whitesplainin :p

Not to engage in credentialism, but I dare say Thomas Sowell, Walter Williams, Clarence Thomas, and Larry Elder have the experience and education to be considered more seriously than Sean Hannity, etc.
 
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Similarly, many are over complaints of racism as to why people can't find success.

You know, it was never as though systemic racism was an explanation that was actually accepted or even entertained by the right, or by any mildly libertarian thinker. The spin on the conversation today often insists that we've tried the systemic explanation and it hasn't panned out - that it's been shoved down our throats. I don't think that's the case at all. I think that those opposed have been opposed from the beginning, and I think it boils down to an offense against their sensibilities, which doesn't translate into critical thought or dialogue.

Long story short, the racism explanation has never been properly entertained, much less understood. I don't care if people are sick of it.
 
You know, it was never as though systemic racism was an explanation that was actually accepted or even entertained by the right, or by any mildly libertarian thinker. The spin on the conversation today often insists that we've tried the systemic explanation and it hasn't panned out - that it's been shoved down our throats. I don't think that's the case at all. I think that those opposed have been opposed from the beginning, and I think it boils down to an offense against their sensibilities, which doesn't translate into critical thought or dialogue.

Long story short, the racism explanation has never been properly entertained, much less understood. I don't care if people are sick of it.

It hasn't been entertained in decades because it is an accusation offered sans or even in spite of the evidence. So much for empiricism or critical thought. Critical thought isn't simply engaging in thought experiments and stopping when we find a pleasant possibility or when evidence ends its validation. Systemic racism in the last several decades could easily be filed under "Alternative Facts".
 
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The evidence is ample. All you need is the history we have.

Yeah. Redlining. Jim Crow. Like I said, decades ago. Like 5+ decades ago. The parents of Millennials weren't even born yet. Systemic racism accusations today and for the last several decades have done nothing but looked at outcomes and claimed racism when they didn't meet perfect parity. This is as ignorant as the persistent male-female wage-gap claims. It's ignorant of basic logic, employs contextless statistics, and completely ignores any individual choice, which flies in the face of current social psychology.

When women or blacks fall short of the population income mean (cause we don't know how to use statistics!), it's sexism or racism. When black men commit a statistically significant portion of murders (against other blacks mind you), it's racism. When women initiate the majority of divorces it's because men made them do it. No agency. No explanation allowed that uses either good statistics or intracultural issues.

I well understand your concerns. There are plenty of descriptive statistics to support the assertions of differential outcomes in all sorts of areas and from every angle. That doesn't in anyway automatically support accusations of systemic anything.
 
I won't say that systemic explanations are never used inaccurately, but that doesn't change the fact that resistance to systemic explanations are overwhelmingly ideologically influenced. They are rejected on the ground level because many people don't even want to entertain the possibility that certain phenomena might be more complex than what they can see outside their windows. Such people piss the hell out of me, I'm sorry to say.

Systemic explanations shouldn't, and don't have to, preclude personal responsibility. We just need to be vigil and attentive about how we apply these explanations.
 
They are rejected on the ground level because many people don't even want to entertain the possibility that certain phenomena might be more complex than what they can see outside their windows. Such people piss the hell out of me, I'm sorry to say.

Systemic explanations shouldn't, and don't have to, preclude personal responsibility. We just need to be vigil and attentive about how we apply these explanations.

I agree with this, I just don't think it applies in the case of racism or sexism, currently. Particularly when you consider the counter influence of the antiracism systemic policies like Affirmative Action and the broad social movement of antiracism. I wouldn't argue that there aren't some measure of lingering effects of past systemic racism. But they don't, at this point imo, explain the "majority of the variance" to borrow a statistical term. If there is in fact any current "systemic racism" or effects of such it is in the victim ideology that pervades modern "movements" which seek to stymie positive behavior in minority communities.

I do accept arguments which incorporate systemic factors when appropriate. Currently, I think there are systemic factors to explain, for example, the obesity problem and the heroin problem.
 
i'm looking at the comments of these articles about the Quebec mosque shooting and the highest liked comments are saying because of Trump there is now islamophobia in Canada

?? :lol: