If Mort Divine ruled the world

[HamburgerBoy]

i don't understand the distinction you're trying to make here

To radicalize something is to make it (more) radical. Is your point just to say that fundamentalist Islam operated in Northern Africa and the Middle East? Then duh. So did fundamentalist Christianity for much of the same time period. My point is that the general direction of Islam in the first half of the 20th century was moving in the opposite direction of radicalization. It was gradually becoming moderate and governments of Islamic nations were gradually becoming secular.

 

[Dak]

Too bad Arabs aren't Persian.

 

[TechnicalBarbarity]

We can and do pin that word to religious violence. It's just that you're sitting here trying to unpin it from Islam while playing down Islamic terrorism and claiming that Muslims are more peaceful than Christians.

It's a giant clusterfuck of needless bias.

Im trying to unpin what? Did i say islam doesn't have radicals? Or was i trying to explain the main reason why they indeed do have radicals(as do all other religions) today? Maybe you need to go back and re-read what i posted. You guys are making a habit of taking what you want form my posts and just twisting shit up in order to spit out some nonsensical response.

muslims on a whole are far more peaceful than christians. The fact that you're grouping all of them as radicals or terrorist is very telling of where your mindset is at. There are christians committing atrocious, mindboggling crimes against others every second of everyday, but yet we're more peaceful than they are?

Quick question, are there even any muslims out there in australia?

 

[TechnicalBarbarity]

To radicalize something is to make it (more) radical. Is your point just to say that fundamentalist Islam operated in Northern Africa and the Middle East? Then duh. So did fundamentalist Christianity for much of the same time period. My point is that the general direction of Islam in the first half of the 20th century was moving in the opposite direction of radicalization. It was gradually becoming moderate and governments of Islamic nations were gradually becoming secular.

we have oppressed them, and anyone that doesn't see that is a grade A ignorant bigot.

 

[CiG]

In 2010 our census revealed there are roughly 476,000 Muslims in Australia. Obviously will have increased since 6 years ago.
My good buddy Luq is a Muslim. Indonesia is one of Australia's closest neighbors to boot.

But no, what do they look like? Arabs?

muslims on a whole are far more peaceful than Christians. The fact that you're grouping all of them as radicals or terrorist is very telling of where your mindset is at. There are christians committing atrocious, mindboggling crimes against others every second of everyday, but yet we're more peaceful than they are?

Citation needed.

 

[rms]

Is your point just to say that fundamentalist Islam operated in Northern Africa and the Middle East? Then duh.

no, my point is that there were radical and non-radical muslim political movements. that's why radical and radicalized are interchangeable here

So did fundamentalist Christianity for much of the same time period

am I back in high school or something? everyone knows Christianity killed lots of people and was radicalized and politicized for global conquest. why are we acting like "omg i'm saying christianity is just as bad as islam oooooo my god"

My point is that the general direction of Islam in the first half of the 20th century was moving in the opposite direction of radicalization.

yeah i don't think this is true at all. muslim nations have had power vacuums since the fall of the ottoman empire in ww1 and nothing but stabilization is going to de-radicalize any nation

 

[TechnicalBarbarity]

i keep saying "we" when talking about christians. Just want to make clear to ya'll that i am not a christian. There's not a religious bone in my body

am I back in high school or something? everyone knows Christianity killed lots of people and was radicalized and politicized for global conquest. why are we acting like "omg i'm saying christianity is just as bad as islam oooooo my god"

because you have people like cassette claiming that muslims are radicals, terrorist, baaaayyyde people, but christians arent.

 

[HamburgerBoy]

no, my point is that there were radical and non-radical muslim political movements. that's why radical and radicalized are interchangeable here

Sure, obviously, not sure how that contradicts anything I've said.

am I back in high school or something? everyone knows Christianity killed lots of people and was radicalized and politicized for global conquest. why are we acting like "omg i'm saying christianity is just as bad as islam oooooo my god"

Today, Islam is more radical and violent than Christianity, sure. That's not what I'm talking about though. I'm talking about the reason the Middle East has been in a state of increasing religious radicalization for the last few generations. If you have to go back to North Africa in the 1800s, then you have to consider what Christianity was doing around the same time.

yeah i don't think this is true at all. muslim nations have had power vacuums since the fall of the ottoman empire in ww1 and nothing but stabilization is going to de-radicalize any nation

And who creates those power vacuums? Who deposed Mossadegh, Gadaffi, Saddam, etc? Who is currently trying to create a new power vacuum in Syria?

 

[rms]

And who creates those power vacuums? Who deposed Mossadegh, Gadaffi, Saddam, etc? Who is currently trying to create a new power vacuum in Syria?

you're being dishonest and trying to move the discussion to bring up some shitty facts that the west(U.S.) intervened in the middle east. it isn't relevant. you said muslim nations were de-radicalizing in the 1st half of the 20th century. the truth is the opposite and the reasons why aren't needed to be known when you make an incorrect claim. you want to say meddling by the west created/inflamed political turmoil in the middle east and africa? anyone educated/informed cannot deny it

If you have to go back to North Africa in the 1800s, then you have to consider what Christianity was doing around the same time.

Islam has had a strong hold on northern africa way before Europeans and Christianity. it's why the northern half is nearly entirely muslim and vice versa for southern africa

Sure, obviously, not sure how that contradicts anything I've said.

you just made it seem like you cant use both words when describing islam

 

[TechnicalBarbarity]

Citation needed.

you cant be that separated from reality, can you? Wow you are beyond ignorant, i swear. Are you really implying that muslims commit more violent crimes such killings(women, children, men, etc), rape, etc than the western countries? oh my dear god. Dude, there isnt a day that passes where you turn the news on and you dont see some white trash hillbillies who raped, killed and buried their child somewhere in the forest or other similarly horific, atrocious disguting incidents. Here area few, but if you think im going to keep spendging my time looking through countless articles for your entertainment, than you better think again. I'll leave that to you.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articl...d-up-disable-adopted-daughter-police-say.html

http://ktla.com/2016/09/06/child-po...aulting-killing-11-year-old-jacob-wetterling/

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articl...nherently-violent-and-the-math-proves-it.html

"What about violent crime? Here Muslims are way behind the rest of us—and in a good way. Homicide rates in Muslim-majority countries average about two murders per annum per 100,000 people. In non-Muslim countries, the average rate is about 8 per 100,000. Murder rates fluctuate from year to year, but they are consistently low in Muslim societies. The homicide rate in Indonesia, the world’s largest Muslim country, is 1 per 100,000—one-fifth the rate of the world’s largest Christian country, the United States. Christian countries live with murder rates that are unknown in the Muslim world. Brazilians and Mexicans are used to murder rates in the 15-25 range; the rate in Venezuela tops 50. Turks, Egyptians, Iranians, and Malaysians live with rates in the 2-4 range. In a good year, Christian South Africa lives with a murder rate of around 30. In a bad year, the rate in Muslim Senegal is one-tenth of that. Anyone who is skeptical of these numbers is invited to walk through minaret-dotted Dakar and steeple-studded Johannesburg at night and compare their experiences in the two cities. For that matter, have a stroll after dark in the low-income areas of Istanbul or Ankara. Then do so in Philadelphia or Oakland."

 

[HamburgerBoy]

you're being dishonest and trying to move the discussion to bring up some shitty facts that the west(U.S.) intervened in the middle east. it isn't relevant. you said muslim nations were de-radicalizing in the 1st half of the 20th century. the truth is the opposite and the reasons why aren't needed to be known when you make an incorrect claim. you want to say meddling by the west created/inflamed political turmoil in the middle east and africa? anyone educated/informed cannot deny it

It's not false at all. Far more women wear veils and non-Muslims are more persecuted more often now than they were in the 1950s in those countries. Just Google photos of Egypt in the 1950s vs now and compare. Radical Islamic groups were tiny, not massive like they are now with ISIS. Of course, Ronald Reagan creating the Taliban in the 80s to fight Russian-friendly India doesn't help things either. Most Islamic terror has its roots in Western support, whether direct or indirect via Saudi oil money. If you have evidence to the contrary, please provide it.

Islam has had a strong hold on northern africa way before Europeans and Christianity. it's why the northern half is nearly entirely muslim and vice versa for southern africa

Sure, obviously Arab conquest occurred, now we're going back to medieval times? The Catholic Church was literally no better.

you just made it seem like you cant use both words when describing islam

lol, I'm not a remotely politically correct person and have no issue with calling out radical Islamists for being radical Islamists. Doesn't change the fact that they've also been useful tools of the West for several decades now, and that we only care about them when we get hit.

 

[rms]

I'm not a remotely politically correct person and have no issue with calling out radical Islamists for being radical Islamists.

Sure, obviously Arab conquest occurred, now we're going back to medieval times? The Catholic Church was literally no better.

If you have evidence to the contrary, please provide it.

the evidence is irrelevant, I just said that. you're too fixated on pointing out christianity that this conversation has become tedious

 

[HamburgerBoy]

the evidence is irrelevant, I just said that. you're too fixated on pointing out christianity that this conversation has become tedious

You literally just brought up Christianity in Africa (twice actually). Why are you bitching?

Science operates on controls, so should other things. If one is going to attribute X to group 1, then one needs to as a first step see how X compares within group 2. If you're going to talk about a religion and its problems, then you need to look at a greater context and see how other religions compare. Again, I have no problem admitting that current Islamic culture, particularly in the Middle East and Northern Africa, is far more religiously radical than any Christian nation. I also have no problem admitting that the West has intentionally held back Islamic progress for several decades, and that the Islamic nations that don't have issues to the same degree (Malaysia, Indonesia, Brunei, etc) are (not by coincidence) those that have been least affected by Western influence.

EDIT: "The evidence is irrelevant", lol, just keep the faith then brotha

 

[CiG]

There's not a religious bone in my body

Besides the Muslim cock up your ass.

because you have people like cassette claiming that muslims are radicals, terrorist, baaaayyyde people, but christians arent.

When did I claim any such thing? I said, prove that Muslims are more peaceful than Christians.

you cant be that separated from reality, can you? Wow you are beyond ignorant, i swear. Are you really implying that muslims commit more violent crimes such killings(women, children, men, etc), rape, etc than the western countries? oh my dear god. Dude, there isnt a day that passes where you turn the news on and you dont see some white trash hillbillies who raped, killed and buried their child somewhere in the forest or other similarly horific, atrocious disguting incidents. Here area few, but if you think im going to keep spendging my time looking through countless articles for your entertainment, than you better think again. I'll leave that to you.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articl...d-up-disable-adopted-daughter-police-say.html

http://ktla.com/2016/09/06/child-po...aulting-killing-11-year-old-jacob-wetterling/

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articl...nherently-violent-and-the-math-proves-it.html

"What about violent crime? Here Muslims are way behind the rest of us—and in a good way. Homicide rates in Muslim-majority countries average about two murders per annum per 100,000 people. In non-Muslim countries, the average rate is about 8 per 100,000. Murder rates fluctuate from year to year, but they are consistently low in Muslim societies. The homicide rate in Indonesia, the world’s largest Muslim country, is 1 per 100,000—one-fifth the rate of the world’s largest Christian country, the United States. Christian countries live with murder rates that are unknown in the Muslim world. Brazilians and Mexicans are used to murder rates in the 15-25 range; the rate in Venezuela tops 50. Turks, Egyptians, Iranians, and Malaysians live with rates in the 2-4 range. In a good year, Christian South Africa lives with a murder rate of around 30. In a bad year, the rate in Muslim Senegal is one-tenth of that. Anyone who is skeptical of these numbers is invited to walk through minaret-dotted Dakar and steeple-studded Johannesburg at night and compare their experiences in the two cities. For that matter, have a stroll after dark in the low-income areas of Istanbul or Ankara. Then do so in Philadelphia or Oakland."

Talk about goalpost shifting. Now we're only talking about examples from America?

 

[TechnicalBarbarity]

Besides the Muslim cock up your ass.

bitch why are you going to start with the name calling if you are going to run off and snitch to the mods once this shit escalates? Pathetic. Look, you have quickly turned into one of the people here i dislike the most. So please stop responding to my comments if you are going to try and start shit just because you cant handle getting schooled. This is the internet where you start shit and go running off to the mods> If this was in person, im pretty suire you know it would play out very differently. You are the essence of the word coward.

 

[TechnicalBarbarity]

Talk about goalpost shifting. Now we're only talking about examples from America?

hmmmm ...

It's just that you're sitting here trying to unpin it from Islam while playing down Islamic terrorism and claiming that Muslims are more peaceful than most Christians.

[laughs inside your mum's cunt]
Support your claim that most Muslims are peaceful and are more peaceful than Christians. Because that is hilarious.

yeah ... you're a fucking pathetic weasel, i swear. NO BRO, we were never talking ABOUT AMERICA, the WEST. NO NOT AT ALL. Why would we? its not like the United States and the rest of the north and south american countries are christian or western, amiriite? P-A-T-H-E-T-I-C.

 

[CiG]

So then why ask if Australia even has any Muslims if you were talking broadly about the west? Obviously there are Muslims in Australia.

Also: at all your posturing.

 

[CiG]

if you are going to run off and snitch to the mods once this shit escalates?

Never happened.

bitch why are you going to start with the name calling

cuck

you cant be that separated from reality, can you? Wow you are beyond ignorant, i swear.

Are you that stupid or do you need me to point out again that all you keep doing is mentioning my post that was in response to HBB's post about when the Levant was radicalized? How dense can you possibly be? You're clearly nothing more than a western bigot

Aug is infinitely more educated than you are

And which moron needed you to point out that Iran isnt populated by arabs?

Anyone that fails to see why Islam has so many radicals today is just being super ignorant.

the fact that most of the clueless fucks buy into the whole "mulsims are terrorist" shtick is disgusting.

we have oppressed them, and anyone that doesn't see that is a grade A ignorant bigot.

bitch why are you going to start with the name calling

 

[HamburgerBoy]

Is that the only word in my last several posts you're going to reply to?

 

[CiG]

Just pointing out that it's hypocritical of him to start moaning about namecalling after all of this shit. I'll probably reply more seriously at some point.