If Mort Divine ruled the world

[CiG]

This is great. She's a weak-minded bigot and the extent of her ignorance is on full display here.
Pretty sad when someone like Piers just shreds you up and down like this.



Hopefully this is an upward trend of anti-white racism being called the fuck out. Either we can all spew bullshit about other races or none of us can.

 

[rms]

that's the woke position, bro. don't have to link her, just spend some time reading Ein thinking he's actively participating in dismantling white supremacy

 

[Mort Divine]

piers didn't shred anyone, he was just loud and never gave her a chance to finish a sentence

 

[CiG]

No he definitely shredded the living fuck out of that simpleton twat.

He also proved she's a lying scumbag when she said I never said all and then he read her statements out loud, wherein she absolutely said all.

Then she tried to pull the don't invalidate my experiences card even though he hadn't.

Typical mental mush that only impresses dipshits like you.

 

[Einherjar86]

But if other people take a similar defensive approach to criticisms and mockery of say, the alt-right, that suggests something more malevolent I assume?

You guys do it all the time. I don't think you're being malevolent.

that's the woke position, bro. don't have to link her, just spend some time reading Ein thinking he's actively participating in dismantling white supremacy

I don't think white supremacy will ever disappear.

But nice dig, you must be getting antsy since you and I haven't had ourselves a little spat in a while. Stay here while I go lick the paper cut you just gave me.

 

[Dak]

Funny to watch Piers get defensive over the charge. Stop mansplaining you bigot and enjoy the biting of the hand.

 

[Dak]

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2017/09/bill-de-blasio-in-conversation.html

Look, if I had my druthers, the city government would determine every single plot of land, how development would proceed. And there would be very stringent requirements around income levels and rents. That’s a world I’d love to see - Bill De Blasio

Herr Comrade Blasio.

 

[rms]

But nice dig

Not a dig, that's your position. And of course it won't end,you didn't give away your heritable wealth to poor people of color nor your admission to prestigious universities. You haven't done your due diligence of checking your privilege.

 

[Einherjar86]

Not a dig, that's your position.

You presume to know a lot about people's positions. The funny thing is you're usually wrong (on evolution, climate change, Mad Max movies... ).

And of course it won't end,you didn't give away your heritable wealth to poor people of color nor your admission to prestigious universities. You haven't done your due diligence of checking your privilege.

Why should I have to give up my position of privilege? Have I ever suggested that you should, or that anyone should for that matter--or that such an act would even be advantageous?

 

[rms]

Mother fucker I was lecturing you on climate change. And that God damn mad Max movie...

Is it or is it not your position that people contribute to white supremacy unless they are actively combatting it?

 

[Einherjar86]

Mother fucker I was lecturing you on climate change.

Sure.

Is it or is it not your position that people contribute to white supremacy unless they are actively combatting it?

Not white supremacy, no. You can find where I said that, if I did, and I'll take it back (I also am not sure what "actively combating" white supremacy means; I wouldn't say that you need to go to rallies or punch nazis to combat white supremacy). I would find it troubling though if someone sees a white supremacist march going by their window and thinks "not my business."

I'd say that we all contribute in multifarious and often indiscernible ways to deeply ingrained structures of racial disparity, but I don't think, nor have I ever thought, that all white men need to divest themselves of their privilege (nor do I think that I absolve myself of my contribution simply by writing about the problem). I believe in spending tax dollars to fund organizations and programs that offer assistance, but I don't see that as demanding that white people give up their privilege.

If the problems are historical and structural, as I believe they are, then the solutions need to be structural. This can be achieved without prohibiting white people from occupying positions of authority or prestige, or from earning decent money. It can also be achieved without forgiving black crimes, which for some reason people seem to think I advocate. When I question legal or political strategies that target crime, I'm not saying the crimes themselves are justifiable. I think there are ways to deal with urban violence without resorting to a dichotomy of "Leave it alone" versus "Arrest all African American drivers with broken tail lights."

 

[rms]

think this is the first time i've ever seen you use "racial disparity" rather than racism or white supremacy. not sure if ill bother looking back in time

 

[Dak]

I would find it troubling though if someone sees a white supremacist march going by their window and thinks "not my business."

My response to a WN march or a BLM march is "Not gonna fuck with stupid".

nor have I ever thought, that all white men need to divest themselves of their privilege

But I assume by this statement you do think all white men (does that extend to those "white persons" not in the US?) have privilege that's purely whiteness based, and outside of any internal correlations or cultural correlations which have no orthogonality with specific US minorities. They just don't need to divest themselves of it.

 

[Einherjar86]

My response to a WN march or a BLM march is "Not gonna fuck with stupid".

I know.

But I assume by this statement you do think all white men (does that extend to those "white persons" not in the US?) have privilege that's purely whiteness based, and outside of any internal correlations or cultural correlations which have no orthogonality with specific US minorities. They just don't need to divest themselves of it.

True. But I don't blame white people for their whiteness, and there's no way to divest ourselves of it (unless you want to paint yourself in blackface, in which case good luck).

Whiteness is a random effect of a chaotic universe, but even random effects accumulate value in human societies. Whiteness is valuable in Western society; but that doesn't mean there aren't whites who have less privilege than others, or blacks who enjoy more class privilege than poor whites. Saying that all whites enjoy racial privilege insinuates that all whites have it better off than all blacks, but that's not true and I know that.

 

[CiG]

You guys do it all the time. I don't think you're being malevolent.

I defend the alt-right?

 

[Dak]

I know.

And you find that problematic.

Saying that all whites enjoy racial privilege insinuates that all whites have it better off than all blacks, but that's not true and I know that.

So.........

 

[Einherjar86]

I defend the alt-right?

I believe you said something like "take a defensive approach to mockery of the alt-right." You definitely do that when you dismiss or mock leftist critiques of the alt-right. Again, I don't think that's malevolent in any way.

And you find that problematic.

I find it amusing.

So.........

So one individual white person having it worse off than one individual black person doesn't miraculously vanish the value of the former individual's white skin. If one person has a tablespoon of water and another person has a full glass, that doesn't somehow mean that one person has water and the other doesn't.

 

[CiG]

The transgender model said something more retarded than white privilege, she said that whites created the blueprint for racism, slavery and terrorism.

I believe you said something like "take a defensive approach to mockery of the alt-right." You definitely do that when you dismiss or mock leftist critiques of the alt-right. Again, I don't think that's malevolent in any way.

Give me an example? I despise the alt-right. I get defensive when some asshole leftist promotes vigilante violence against people simply for speech, because I'm philosophically liberal and not a cocksucker of communism and socialism where it's okay to simply violently remove the wrongthinkers.

You however specifically get defensive over the Antifa turds and not for any universal reasons that I can see, you surely don't defend violent opposition to speech as a philosophy for any other grouping of people.

 

[Einherjar86]

Give me an example? I despise the alt-right. I get defensive when some asshole leftist promotes vigilante violence against people simply for speech, because I'm philosophically liberal and not a cocksucker of communism and socialism where it's okay to simply violently remove the wrongthinkers.

I feel like I see most of your posts in this and related threads, and they're primarily directed against leftist rhetoric. You seem to dedicate more time to calling out leftists than the alt-right. That might be because you think that most media criticisms of the alt-right are misguided, but then that's not a neutral position; it's a political one. I believe you when you say you despise the alt-right as much as the antifa-left, but statistically you fall to a particular side.

Finally, Marxism is still a vastly misunderstood philosophy, largely because of social media. So every time I admit some fondness for Marxism, I lose argument points. Because addressing Marx's work seriously ~ stupidity.

You however specifically get defensive over the Antifa turds and not for any universal reasons that I can see, you surely don't defend violent opposition to speech as a philosophy for any other grouping of people.

I feel that my posts are in measured response to anti-left content that I see on the board. Yes, I'm a leftist, that is true; but I have explicitly said that I don't condone antifa violence. My "defenses" of them, if they can be called that, are responses to the kinds of arguments I see levied on this forum.

But now we're meta-critically commenting on our own posts, which is a dangerous practice.

 

[CiG]

I feel like I see most of your posts in this and related threads, and they're primarily directed against leftist rhetoric. You seem to dedicate more time to calling out leftists than the alt-right. That might be because you think that most media criticisms of the alt-right are misguided, but then that's not a neutral position; it's a political one. I believe you when you say you despise the alt-right as much as the antifa-left, but statistically you fall to a particular side.

Well right up until the Dodge Challenger of peace attack, it was overwhelmingly the far-left doing the most stupid shit. Before that rally, the alt-right were primarily a kind of intellectual Internet movement and to add to that, they (and Trump supporters more broadly) were often the victims of leftist violence.

This is like when you prefer to criticize Islam in the era of Islamic terrorism and then everybody just assumes you're a Christian, a Christian apologist or that you support Christianity.

Prefacing every opinion or criticism by saying all the other things you also oppose is obviously impractical and unreasonable.

Finally, Marxism is still a vastly misunderstood philosophy, largely because of social media. So every time I admit some fondness for Marxism, I lose argument points. Because addressing Marx's work seriously ~ stupidity.

It's as misunderstood as any other political ideology or theory and in some cases it is better understood than others. In fact, I think capitalism is more misunderstood given how mainstream it is and how linked to everyday life it is.

I feel that my posts are in measured response to anti-left content that I see on the board. Yes, I'm a leftist, that is true; but I have explicitly said that I don't condone antifa violence. My "defenses" of them, if they can be called that, are responses to the kinds of arguments I see levied on this forum.

But now we're meta-critically commenting on our own posts, which is a dangerous practice.

I have no idea why anybody would need to defend body-shaming or accusations of thuggery against Antifa. Especially when you can just watch the hours and hours of footage of Antifa on Youtube and see that they're hardly a force of physical prowess (they look like a bunch of Portland crust punk hipsters) and that they do indeed engage in thuggery. They attack women ffs.