If Mort Divine ruled the world
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It's not uncommon. Deandre Harris successfully used it after hitting an old man with a Maglite, on the basis that he was aiming for a flag pole that his own friends were trying to steal. Deandre Harris is now considered a hero and victim of Charlottesville, while the people that attacked Harris in response are enjoying several-year prison terms right now.
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Anybody remember when that woman wearing some kind of libertarian MAGA hat parody ("Make Bitcoin Great Again") was pointblank pepper-sprayed by Milo protestors? That'll teach women to dress appropriately out in public, no red hats with words on it you slut.
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Charlottesville is a very different case though. Even if Harris did "attack" first, the retaliation was outrageously disproportionate. Those fucking assholes were in racist heaven while they beat the shit out of that kid.
In the case at hand, the woman didn't hit back. The guy who round-house kicked her is a little shit.
In the case at hand, the woman didn't hit back. The guy who round-house kicked her is a little shit.
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Charlottesville should have been a wake-up call for the left that they shouldn't keep pushing the narrative that violence is okay in pursuit of a political cause, because violence is reciprocal and as the white-right proved they can take it to a level that the left doesn't want to be exposed to. What happened was fucked up, however most of this really started with #PunchANazi and #BashTheFash and all the people who wrote articles, made videos and gave speeches proclaiming that it's okay to punch a Nazi are complicit in what happens in these autistic street clashes. Then you have (which has seemingly died down more recently) the random attacks on MAGA hat people as well as the hat-stealing game that goes on a lot.
If you were paying attention to the raw footage being uploaded around 2015/16 (like I was because I like laughing at dumb shit) with Trump's campaign/eventual election you could actually witness in real-time a slow escalation and that faggot with his car at Charlottesville was a predictable next step in the evolution of the violence.
Instead of just laughing at the whitenats for the speds they are (like we do with the KKK), the retarded revolutionary LARPists who have no lives and a gaping meaning-chasm decided to legitimize and martyr them in some pathetic attempt to be "on the right side of history" and now the right beat the shit out of them in the streets.
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Not really. They shoved him to the ground and hit him over the course of maybe 10 seconds, basically until he stopped moving. It wasn't some long, attempted lynching like the media tried to sell it as. In most SYG states, if you were hit with a weapon (a metal flashlight), you would not be charged if you got one or two hits in on the perp after pushing him to the ground; the threat needs to be neutralized. I'll admit that some of the people that hit Harris did so seeing the guy already on the ground and then joining in, and that I think those people should be charged with assault. The main damage came from the single hit with a pipe(?) that split his face and provided most of the bleeding, but I don't think it's known that that particular blow was performed early or later into the assault. One guy ran over to Harris on the ground and got a single kick in, which probably didn't contribute much damage on its own, but he still got 6 years. I don't have a problem with those bandwagoning being charged with assault, but the idea that Harris' defense was valid was a load of bullshit, and identical to the defense being used by the pozzed Canadian.
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Even if you remove the car incident (I didn't know he reversed into the crowd, for some reason I thought it was headfirst) the right have still proven that they can take it to a level the left don't want to be exposed to. AntiFa put women on their frontlines and fill their ranks with noodle-armed soybois and a large chunk of the LGBT and now Tiny (if anybody knows this big Samoan guy) just goes around beating the shit out of anybody who messes with him. A movement of people who fundamentally reject masculinity cannot hope to compete with the right-wing street movements yet they just keep poking the fucking bear.
AntiFa should've just stuck to their war on rubbish bins and Starbucks windows.
AntiFa should've just stuck to their war on rubbish bins and Starbucks windows.
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Civil libertarianism in the USA began its decline around the 80s, took a massive hit under W and the Patriot Act, and then finally died under Obama's race-baiting Justice Department. I don't think things here will ever to Weimar Republic levels of violence, but the basic principles are there; freedom of expression was suppressed not by government force but by failing to enforce laws prohibiting violence, aka anarcho-tyranny. The electorate is too divided along identitarian lines for there to ever be a libertarian voice that forcefully defends the right of extremists to speak, so we'll just probably see these ups and downs of riots until whenever the next great realignment occurs. And the leftist retards still keep repeating "B-but if only we bashed more fash, the Nazis never would have happened", ignoring the history of several years where the Spartacists actually had the upper-hand and were ruthlessly purged once they finally lost it after Hitler's election.
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fwiw James Fields looks guilty as anyone to me. Until someone produces footage showing that he did have a large mob behind him, I'm going to err on the side that he ran into the crowd deliberately. The fact that there's video of him driving down a completely different street, car smashed from ramming the crowd, with no seeming impediment towards his escape, makes me think he doesn't have much of a case.
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Yes really. I can't believe you're defending this episode. It's uncanny to watch you literally type out the variety of assaults and then say it wasn't that much.
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I wonder what chance there is that the street clashes get so out of hand that there isn't a call for a clamping down of the right to protest and assemble. This is the Patriot Act era after all, America is certainly trending towards paternalism probably more than ever before.
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It wasn't that anything more than what Harris did to initiate the violence. I can totally believe you holding two different standards, however.
Even that went downhill a bit under Bush; the government created "free speech zones" for protesters in the capital, for example. Neocons on the court like Kavanaugh would go along with any restriction I'd imagine.
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Man hits non-violent protester with foot
Man hits non-violent protester with flashlight
You tell me the difference.
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That's not what I was comparing. I was comparing Harris's "assault" with the violence subsequently visited on him.
It may be the case that both men instigated violence, but in one case the response was outrageously disproportionate. I have no sympathy for the racists serving multi-year sentences.
It may be the case that both men instigated violence, but in one case the response was outrageously disproportionate. I have no sympathy for the racists serving multi-year sentences.
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