If Mort Divine ruled the world

Einherjar86 · Apr 24, 2019

I'm sorry if I came off brash--I was just shocked that people haven't encountered the phrase.

@CiG You're a bigger man than Dak. He deleted his original post.

CiG · Apr 24, 2019

Everyone is bigger than Dak, he's a midget.

Dak · Apr 24, 2019

Einherjar86 said:
@CiG You're a bigger man than Dak. He deleted his original post.

I deleted it because I replied with the page open for like 30 mins and hadn't seen your reply. Then I replied and it loaded showing your response. Sorry.

Dak · Apr 24, 2019

CiG said:
Everyone is bigger than Dak, he's a midget.

Thank god for medical definitions of midgets or I'd be butthurt

Einherjar86 · Apr 24, 2019

Dak said:
I deleted it because I replied with the page open for like 30 mins and hadn't seen your reply. Then I replied and it loaded showing your response. Sorry.

And changed your post.

Look, you can complain about what I've linked here all you want. The fact is that it is a phrase that's been used, and used fairly regularly in journalism for years. I could increase that list if I cared to keep searching the depths of the internet archive. But I don't. You're pushing a baseless perspective here, so I'm done.

CiG · Apr 24, 2019

I'd genuinely never heard that phrase before and it still reads as weird to me, but facts don't care about my feelings so I have to cede.

Dak · Apr 24, 2019

Einherjar86 said:
And changed your post.

Look, you can complain about what I've linked here all you want. The fact is that it is a phrase that's been used, and used fairly regularly in journalism for years. I could increase that list if I cared to keep searching the depths of the internet archive. But I don't. You're pushing a baseless perspective here, so I'm done.

Depths. An important word. Also I said Christians using the term. You have reports using the term. And one/five examples isn't proof of an idiom or colloquialism. It's some random US/nonUS journalists with a bad grasp of English (but I repeat myself) over the last 20 years.

Dak said:
I didn't even have any hand in the fact that page after page of Google returns show that in 2000 years of Christian history, there seems to be no example of Christians ever referring to themselves as "Easter worship[p]ers" that can be appealed to to demonstrate that it's just an idiom or a colloquial turn of phrase.

HamburgerBoy · Apr 24, 2019

Why would Christians refer to themselves in that way? "Easter worshiper" = people engaged in worship on Easter. It's a pointlessly obvious thing for a Christian to say, just as the news will probably say "Halloween partier" for a story about an event happening at a Halloween party, but people that party on Halloween, particularly on days other than Halloween, aren't going to refer to themselves as "Halloween partiers". It's a slightly-awkward term because "X Y-er" often implies "A person that Y's X" rather than "A person that Y's on X", but in the full context its still a sensible term.

CiG · Apr 24, 2019

Just assuming here but I think Dak meant that no Christian refers to themselves as "Easter worshipers" in the collective sense.

Onder · Apr 25, 2019

Oh cool you're still talking about it.

CiG · Apr 25, 2019

Onder said:
Oh cool you're still talking about it.

rms · Apr 25, 2019

just finished a project where I went through the NYTimes database to search for certain keywords (mine were AOC, Ilhan Omar and Kamala Harris!) and decided to run it on "easter worship." Here's all the results from NYT since Jan 1st of last year:

for those that are curious. some just have easter in it, too

Dak · Apr 25, 2019

HamburgerBoy said:
Why would Christians refer to themselves in that way? "Easter worshiper" = people engaged in worship on Easter. It's a pointlessly obvious thing for a Christian to say, just as the news will probably say "Halloween partier" for a story about an event happening at a Halloween party, but people that party on Halloween, particularly on days other than Halloween, aren't going to refer to themselves as "Halloween partiers". It's a slightly-awkward term because "X Y-er" often implies "A person that Y's X" rather than "A person that Y's on X", but in the full context its still a sensible term.

Being a partier and being a worshippers have completely different meanings. Would anyone who parties on Halloween be called a "Halloween follower"? Easter observers would be technically correct, as we observe dates, we do not worship or follow them. Of course that sounds even more sterile. Easter celebrators or celebrants would also be technically correct but unusual all the same.

Einherjar86 · Apr 25, 2019

Dak said:
Easter observers would be technically correct, as we observe dates, we do not worship or follow them. Of course that sounds even more sterile. Easter celebrators or celebrants would also be technically correct but unusual all the same.

Easter worshiper = a person worshiping on Easter. Same phraseology as "Sunday worship." It doesn't mean "worshiping the day of Sunday."

Why are you so hung up on this?

Dak · Apr 25, 2019

Einherjar86 said:
Easter worshiper = a person worshiping on Easter. Same phraseology as "Sunday worship." It doesn't mean "worshiping the day of Sunday."

Why are you so hung up on this?

Right, it doesn't, because there's no "-er" suffix. "Sunday worship" is an event, short for "Sunday worship service." Any "X worshiper" indicates a worshiper of X. All I'm challenging is this defense of the tweets as if this is totally normal/sensible/proper language use. It would have made much more sense (outside of tribal reasons) to use the "that was weird/dumb but Christians are reading too much into it."

Einherjar86 · Apr 25, 2019

Christians who go to church on Sundays refer to themselves as Sunday worshipers...

Dak · Apr 25, 2019

Einherjar86 said:
Christians who go to church on Sundays refer to themselves as Sunday worshipers...

They do? News to me, and I went to church on Sunday for years.

Einherjar86 · Apr 25, 2019

Oh. Well, if you never heard it then it must not be a thing.

Dak · Apr 25, 2019

Einherjar86 said:
Oh. Well, if you never heard it then it must not be a thing.

Soo, I'm sure you've heard it many times? Incidentally I did a google search and all returns from religious sites seemed to be from Seventh Day Adventists. So, arguably Christians, but not people who actually attend Sunday worship services (just like secularists). And also pejorative, so that's not exactly strengthening any claims in other areas.

Einherjar86 · Apr 25, 2019

Well if we're going by personal experience, I have heard it.

While growing up, my mother often wanted to attend Sunday service. My father usually didn't want to attend service at all, which led to conversations about Saturday versus Sunday worship--and my mother often said she was a "Sunday worshiper."

As it turns out, the sabbath constitutes a matter of some contention within the Christian community. There are online conversations about whether to worship on Saturday or Sunday. Understandably, those who argue for Sunday call themselves "Sunday worshipers."

So, I think your weirdly prescriptive grammar, when it comes to what "Sunday worshiper" and "Easter worshiper" mean, is absurd.

EDIT: wouldn't you know that FOX NEWS said this before Obama and Clinton did:

https://www.foxnews.com/world/tourists-easter-worshippers-lament-closure-of-notre-dame

This must be why they haven't picked up the story.

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