Just so im remembered...

rahvin said:
:err:
do you really think a mod should react to these with a ban? what was i supposed to do when users like silentplanetscot used to call me an asshole in every other post, then? set fire to his house?
No, I do not, but I do understand the frustration admin/mods can have with these situations.
And that's what Misanthrope didn't have...understanding...
He is so fast to attack, that he often forgots the reason, and just makes himself look like an idiot.

And then when he's out of better words, he just calls the "you're fucking idiot" lines...

rahvin said:
you're quite in a parental mood since you're back... anything you want to tell us? :p
Yes, I'm pregnant :p
 
Misanthrope said:
Ive done nothing that deserves banning, lately anyway.
He said no. You chose to insult and fight him. That in itself is and should be a bannable offense, regardless what the subject matter is.
 
Fevermist said:
Hmmm you "just" asked humble innocent questions like:



and the list is endless...
But what ever, i already regret I even posted anything once again.

The thing is first you make these "jokes" and ask innnocent "questions" and get the heat on your neck. Then you come here crying like a baby who just wet his pants, for "papa" to change the diapers...
You should be grown enough to handle your own shit already...

I wont even try to reason with you so you realize there were jokes, but those comments have 2 mayor characteristics: They were done AFTER i "got the heat on my neck" and second and most important: They were done on SoT. Thats a forum were that kind of thing is not taken seriously and it harms nobody, fuck even Deron knows that.

So unless you can prove that my behavior in this forum was unacceptable and deserving of a ban, please shut the fuck up.
 
solefald said:
none is banned
misanthrope your still here...
this discussion is it necessary?

Attacking a worthless, full of himself wanker who likes to copy Opeth and expects to be taken seriously with a seriously weak argument is necessary, fuck is almost part of my biology!
 
xenophobe said:
He said no. You chose to insult and fight him. That in itself is and should be a bannable offense, regardless what the subject matter is.

Insult him? Threating him with the "pull the trigger" stuff, perhaps, but i dont even think thats even insulting, but what else? Declaring my eternal love to him? How is that insulting, for all YOU know i could be serious.

And even if you think i did insult him, do you honestly think is constructive and usefull for a mod to ban everyone who ever opposes him or insults him? Everyone would fuck around with you just to piss you off. This is an internet forum, and a metal internet forum no less, doesnt gets much more childish than that

Maybe he should have thought about buying the place and being an active mod twice before doing it: If its so damn annoying he has to act like this, then whats the point of owning this place, do you honestly think that even if i stop, nobody would come and fill my shoes, that people will magically stop giving him shit?

Some people just aint fit to be on a position of authority, because they carry criticism too close to their hearths to effectively rule.
 
Man, this is all so stupid.

Everybody knows what rights they have. Any decision made by this administrator is just a judgement he has made for (what he sees as) the good of his community. Most people clearly just get off over antagonizing the situation. It's an argument over a thing everyone understands already... the only reason it appears so over blown is because nothing major ever happens here and when it does (or in this case something small that can be made big) the bored 'Misanthrope's' of the boards decide to blow up like lit farts.

I must admit, reading all this has been pretty entertaining. I'm indifferent in the argument, yeah I agree this admin dude might have been over reacting a little with his banning, but the people who are responding violently are ignorant for not being able to see it from his perspective. I dont feel effected at all by this conflict, probably because I dont care about pissing people off, or whos name is stamped on the forum. Just chill out guys.
 
Northern Lights said:
You mean fun in the way of having your finger nails pulled out one by one and having a huge door repeatedly slammed shut over you knuckles fun? :D
not quite. fun in the way of constantly smashing my head against the wall until one of the two falls apart. :D
 
Northern Lights said:
You mean fun in the way of having your finger nails pulled out one by one and having a huge door repeatedly slammed shut over you knuckles fun? :D

In this case the Admins are the geeks and you get to be the tough guy, dont you wanna vent some frustrations? Looks like it
 
my two cents on this whole predicament:

1 - i think that there should be no censorship on any signature, provided it's legal (which also sits well with rahvin's "no porn" policy: eventhough this is largely disregarded on the internet, in many places it is not legal for minors to watch porn, and minors can use UM). as a consequence, images depicting gay men in any kind of behavior that is legal for everyone to see should not be banned. misanthrope's sig shows two men kissing, which is not pornography. so if i were in charge i would let it stay, especially since the men are quite good-looking.

2 - it is funny how there was no fuss at all when arch had some scenes from a lesbian porn film in his signature. i seem to remember that, even if the advertised movie was NC-17, the actual shots (no pun intended, especially because it was lesbian after all) were as mild as the ones we are discussing now: women kissing, if i recall correctly. the fact that men kissing cause bans and women kissing do not irks me to no end.

3 - this notwithstanding, i am not in charge; misanthrope is not in charge; nobody of us is in charge. i concur with fevermist's point: it is childish to perform any sort of act with the sole finality of irritating deron or anyone else just because they are in a position of authority. i might not like his views on gays or gay-related imagery, but he's still the person who runs this particular internet company which we mostly enjoy for free. those of you who contributed money to UM donated, as opposed to acquiring stock: you don't own a part of UM, you don't sit on a board, you don't cast a vote on any aspect of how the company is ran. if you don't like it, go away, exactly as you might do if, say, you strongly disagree with a store's labor policy.

4 - just for the sake of clarity, i am not saying that people in a position of authority should not be questioned, publicly or privately: freedom of speech is paramount, but the principle of freedom of speech has nothing to do with what you can and can't do in a locale, media space etc which is privately owned by someone different than you. freedom of speech would be in danger if you couldn't, say, build your own site in defense of gay rights, or even build your own site in order to criticize deron (provided, again, that you do it by legal means). the fact that deron lets you stay even if you attacked him right, left and center is an act of tolerance on his part, not a right you have.

5 - i am being so hard on you because i'm positive that your point is most definitely not the defense of gay rights.

you want to piss people off, along with some people from SoT, which you call full of sense of humor while i might want to call it full of shit. this attitude is childish, annoying and i normally want to beat up the people who do it. i guess that a ban is just a high-tech version of kicking your ass. you're being arrogant and whiny, and like all people who are arrogant and whiny you assume you have rights which you don't have (see above).

you can, of course, accuse me of lying and deconstruct my thoughts anytime, because i can't prove anything about your intentions, but i know enough about activism to know that if you really wanted to foster a positive, tolerant attitude towards homosexuals you would have followed a different route.

i can give you some pointers: start a thread discussing discriminations against gay people, or recount episodes of violence you know of in order to raise the level of awareness about the danger of gay-bashers, or try to organize some form of constructive information on homosexuality, maybe involving the few people who have declared they are gay on one of the threads of this very board.

if you were interested in gay rights, you would have contributed to a related thread with facts that counter the foolish concept (reported in the SoT forum as a part of an article about government-sponsored sex-ed programs in the USA) that half of gay male teenagers in America have AIDS.

but no, you probably don't really care about gay rights to the point of getting involved. you just want to stick your tongue at someone you don't like for a cheap ego trip. my answer is: go fuck yourself and shut up.

6 - by the way, you shouldn't assume that i particularly like deron or i want to defend him. i don't know anything about him, if he is a homophobe i most definitely do not like his ideas about sexual orientation, and i don't approve of the way he handled this situation (he should have banned misanthrope and lived with the consequences: iron fist politics require consistency, and if you know that a specific move causes you to lose profits you should tap into alternative sources of income, not back out). i'm just trying to say that if you're out to irritate people you shouldn't call the PC police when someone kicks you in the face.
 
@hyena: the way the story goes is: other users (not misanthrope) adopted two gay people kissing as their sig. it was meant to be humorous, not in a derogatory way towards homosexuals or aimed at deron. it was just one of many more or less funny japes some people like to post from time to time. those users were forced to remove their sig and a new rule prohibiting signatures with men kissing outside of the sot board was introduced. it's not that they could only kiss on the sot board, the men in questions. you got my point.
as a reaction to this, many users - misanthrope among those - started showing signatures with men kissing. i don't think any of them said it had something to do with anti-discrimination rights, but it was done as a reaction to deron's decisions and not to offend him in the first place. i don't know if this changes your pov in any way, just thought i would let you know.
 
@rahv: thanks for the info. i didn't know about the part where the rule prohibited gay-related sigs outside SoT, i had a general idea of the rest.
 
hyena said:
@rahv: thanks for the info. i didn't know about the part where the rule prohibited gay-related sigs outside SoT, i had a general idea of the rest.
the signatures with men kissing solicited outraged replies on some very conservative band boards on um, which might have led to the rule in question. part of misanthrope's point was to prove that not all the forums paid for by the bands have something against this kind of things. and in that i consider his intentions quite legit, although of course always in the light of the fact that the owner of the site has full powers, i.e. with the sole purpose of venting one's disagreement.
 
i'm quite relieved that UM doesn't have an official manowar board. it would have tipped the scales - WWMD? finally admit they're all gay and provide us with signature material? or held up the woman! come here! remove your garments! kneel before me! please me! stuff? :lol:
 
I think Ernesto should do this more often, as it brings back people who had quit posting a long time ago :p