R-Stuur
Member
- Mar 17, 2007
- 445
- 0
- 16
LOL. I bought one....
- Thread starter 006
- Start date
I'm seriously considering buying one of these. My head is solid state and i need the soul of valves.
Seriously though, sound clips or just a review would be spankingly good.
Seriously though, sound clips or just a review would be spankingly good.
The soul of valves? If you can't get a decent sound without fucking goddamned lightbulbs you have more serious problems than that, and this really isn't going to be the place to go in that case.
Jeff
Jeff
scorpio01169
Member
i think the issue here is can you make a track with the bugera? as with most amps yes you can with a little tweaking, some need more tweaking than others. but some people will have their opinion based on name brand alone without ever trying the product. behringer ripped off Mackie and got sued for it...but does that take away from the behringers mixers the ability to make a song sound? no. as a matter of fact i heard a multi plat. album tracked and mixed on nothing but a behringer 32.8. most of behringer products are rip offs but they do what they are spose to do. and for broke fuckers like me, it's what i need.
In a nutshell, I am.
I personally prefer it (and no, I have no hearing damage) and consider tubes to be one of the most obnoxious, irritating, and outdated things I've eve had to deal with.
I've seen SS distortion pedals go through double-blind tests on guitar forums, and I've seen SS circuits based on the SLO100 and the Dual Rec get better scores than the actual amps' distortion. I've passed an old H&K that I got for a song at a pawnshop off as a Marshall.
And I'm sick of people having this bullshit tube elitism, blaming gear instead of incompetence, and holding back the development of the much more economical, reliable, and simple solutions of SS and digital amps by having generation after generation of completely technologically incompetent guitarists think that tubes are magical and everything else is second-rate practice amp material.
Sue me.
Jeff
scorpio01169
Member
+1 exactly...thats why i defend the line 6 spider amps........they get the job done. thats just my opinion
Still waiting for it to come in...the seller said "wait 1-4 weeks before recieving your item" so...I'm trying to be patient as possible but 1-4 weeks is kinda rediculous, especially since UPS Ground is 6 days...how hard is it to just take a freakin boxed amp to UPS and tell them where to send it?
Oh yeah, and you bet your ass there will be clips.
On the topic of SS...I honestly have to say I like the new Spider Valve amps. Line6 and Bogner getting together did nothing but help Line6's mark on the industry. I played the 2x12 combo at GC a week or two ago using a white Schecter HellRaiser C7 and I gotta give credit where it's due. It sounded pretty damn good
I may, in the future, look into the Spider Valve head...but hopefully when that time comes they will have at least a Vetta Valve or possibly even an HD147 Valve head. I would want more options than "Modern, Rock, Crunch, Blues, Twang, etc." lol.
~006
Oh yeah, and you bet your ass there will be clips.
On the topic of SS...I honestly have to say I like the new Spider Valve amps. Line6 and Bogner getting together did nothing but help Line6's mark on the industry. I played the 2x12 combo at GC a week or two ago using a white Schecter HellRaiser C7 and I gotta give credit where it's due. It sounded pretty damn good
I may, in the future, look into the Spider Valve head...but hopefully when that time comes they will have at least a Vetta Valve or possibly even an HD147 Valve head. I would want more options than "Modern, Rock, Crunch, Blues, Twang, etc." lol. ~006
Kinda rediculous? It's magical tube fairy goodness! With tone! Anyone who'd complain is clearly a communist who just wants us to get solid-state distortion instead!
Oh, and as a side note to the last post... I'm not defending Dime's tone, or twelve-year olds who crank the pre gain and kill the mids on every SS amp Guitar Center has, I'm saying they can be used as well as anything in capable hands.
Jeff
I'm taking my randall SS to the grave, its not what you have, its how you use it. i love my peavey and randall equally.
Jeff, I gotta level with you dude - I've seen you make your posts about SS being just as capable, and about tubes sucking ass, but I have yet to ever hear an example or even see you cite an example (and no, Dime does not count, I hate his tone, and I don't think anyone would mistake it for a tube amp ). I can definitely tell you're a brilliant and very knowledgeable guy, but can you blame me for being curious as to why I haven't seen you post a single thing, from a full mix to even just a clip? (except for when you made that clip of your Schecter in like F#, which as I expected from the ridiculous tuning didn't even sound like it had pitch 
)
). I can definitely tell you're a brilliant and very knowledgeable guy, but can you blame me for being curious as to why I haven't seen you post a single thing, from a full mix to even just a clip? (except for when you made that clip of your Schecter in like F#, which as I expected from the ridiculous tuning didn't even sound like it had pitch )
SocialNumb
Damn Christians!
me!:zombie:
Are you being phesicious?
I've played guitar for 14yrs and mixed over 1000 bands as a FOH enginner, from local to nationals. and the only amps that ever impressed me were tube. Overdriven Transistors distort completely different than tubes.
But If you're happy with the sound of clipping diodes and FETs that's cool.
JeffTD
Senhor Testiculo
Then spend redonkulous amounts of money on amps, deal with pissed off neighbors or expensive attenuators when you want to record at night, put up with obnoxious transformer problems and retubing, and have a quarter of a metric fucktillion things that could possibly go wrong with bloody lightbulbs... more power to you.
Literally. Can you say "Under 10% efficiency on a good day" with me? Forgot about that one.
Anyway, I've ranted about why I hate tubes before, and I do honestly like the sound, versatility, and character more. Plus, I hit that point where I thought "You know, I could spend two grand on a Quintuple Rectoverbic Deep Frier, or I could buy some books and get that much closer to everything..." and (as we all know from how my sleep patterns, post count, and tendency to use extreme violence and figments of my imagination to explain complicated nonsense have gone from bizarre to lampshade-wearing-hillbilly-zombie-hunter-nonsensical) went with the latter.
WSW, how many *tones* were you impressed with, and how many of the SS users were seasoned guys? SS amps still get associated with beginners. Plus, I've heard enough tube amps and their buffoon owners to know they aren't magical in and of themselves, and Dino has one of my favorite live sounds ever with a POD from hell...
(Oh, and it's 'facetious'...)
Just because I don't post clips under 'JBroll' doesn't mean I don't post clips. Yeah, the F# thing was goofy, I mainly wanted to show the clean sounds off (as that guitar has become a jazz guitar for obvious reasons), but do you really think someone who has went off as often as I have about hating tubes is going to get a balanced opinion from everyone? Sure, I'm more than a little paranoid after a few days without sleep (usual time frame of a track), but I prefer to post mixes under new (or gently used... thanks, shit forums that nobody else visits!) names not only because I think the gnomes are trying to discredit me but also because I don't want anyone to think about speaking too highly of a mix (or fearing a lashing) because they see me next to it. As if you weren't yet suspicious enough...
Oh, and Dino live would be a good enough example for now.
Jeff
Literally. Can you say "Under 10% efficiency on a good day" with me? Forgot about that one.
Anyway, I've ranted about why I hate tubes before, and I do honestly like the sound, versatility, and character more. Plus, I hit that point where I thought "You know, I could spend two grand on a Quintuple Rectoverbic Deep Frier, or I could buy some books and get that much closer to everything..." and (as we all know from how my sleep patterns, post count, and tendency to use extreme violence and figments of my imagination to explain complicated nonsense have gone from bizarre to lampshade-wearing-hillbilly-zombie-hunter-nonsensical) went with the latter.
WSW, how many *tones* were you impressed with, and how many of the SS users were seasoned guys? SS amps still get associated with beginners. Plus, I've heard enough tube amps and their buffoon owners to know they aren't magical in and of themselves, and Dino has one of my favorite live sounds ever with a POD from hell...
(Oh, and it's 'facetious'...)
Just because I don't post clips under 'JBroll' doesn't mean I don't post clips. Yeah, the F# thing was goofy, I mainly wanted to show the clean sounds off (as that guitar has become a jazz guitar for obvious reasons), but do you really think someone who has went off as often as I have about hating tubes is going to get a balanced opinion from everyone? Sure, I'm more than a little paranoid after a few days without sleep (usual time frame of a track), but I prefer to post mixes under new (or gently used... thanks, shit forums that nobody else visits!) names not only because I think the gnomes are trying to discredit me but also because I don't want anyone to think about speaking too highly of a mix (or fearing a lashing) because they see me next to it. As if you weren't yet suspicious enough...
Oh, and Dino live would be a good enough example for now.
Jeff
Melb_shredder
Orpheus: Melodic Death
scorpio01169
Member
I don't wanna get into this pissing contest of which is better, tube or ss. I think what's most important is are they usable and I believe they both are. And it depends on the user wether which one works for you. If I have a ss amp in front of me, and I can get something I like out of it.... I'm not gonna stress that its not a tube amp. For some people its just not that serious.
Jeff, I'm sorry you feel that we wouldn't be able to be unbiased about something you posted, but if your solution to that really is the case, now I'm gonna be thinking every "n00b" here is you with another pseudonym! Thanks for spreading the paranoia, jackass
But seriously, I have no problem believing that digital modeling is sounding closer and closer to tubes, because it's a technology that exists to emulate them. But as you of course know, digital modeling and solid state are very different technologies in terms of how they achieve their sound, so Dino's Pod tone doesn't exactly illustrate your point as I see it, cuz it's in no way indicative of a SS tone (even if he's using an SS power amp, the preamp still makes up the bulk of the tone).
But seriously, I have no problem believing that digital modeling is sounding closer and closer to tubes, because it's a technology that exists to emulate them. But as you of course know, digital modeling and solid state are very different technologies in terms of how they achieve their sound, so Dino's Pod tone doesn't exactly illustrate your point as I see it, cuz it's in no way indicative of a SS tone (even if he's using an SS power amp, the preamp still makes up the bulk of the tone).
Did all this start from me making fun of the Bugera tagline? (I don't want to take credit for this fun to read thread if it wasn't)
My head is solid state, it cost £300. Would a Dual Rec sound better? Probably. Would it sound £1000 better? Maybe.
I think we all know that just tubes on their own don't make an amp sound good. (Except the epi valve junior, that's a tube and nothing else and that sounds awesome) Give credit to good ol' fasioned speakers beating the crap out of air, not to mention all of the thousands of things that make an amp different from another amp. But I also think that we all know is that 99.9% of "money is no object" guitarists will have tube amps.
My head is solid state, it cost £300. Would a Dual Rec sound better? Probably. Would it sound £1000 better? Maybe.
I think we all know that just tubes on their own don't make an amp sound good. (Except the epi valve junior, that's a tube and nothing else and that sounds awesome) Give credit to good ol' fasioned speakers beating the crap out of air, not to mention all of the thousands of things that make an amp different from another amp. But I also think that we all know is that 99.9% of "money is no object" guitarists will have tube amps.
Similar threads
