Mac or PC user? Pro - Semi Pro - Amateur?

[James Murphy]

gehhh are serious.....when is the last time you built a PC from scratch....they are dirt cheap......

Kazrog was talking about the phrase "half as cheap", because he noticed that the guy obviously didn't mean that... he meant "half as expensive". "half as cheap" would be the same as saying "twice as expensive"... he was not debating the cheapness of PC's (double meaning intended ). Kazrog is more than aware of the cost of PCs and Macs. reading his post more thoroughly would have made that more clear to you.

what's clear to me is that so far, the results of Razorjack's poll seem to confirm his original opinion. Pros still mostly choose Macs for audio work... even the younger gaurd. i hope more people chime in.

 

[LynchpiN]

Razorjack what were you thinking starting a thread with 'm' 'a' 'c' and 'p' 'c' in the title???? -Note how I don't pronounce those dirty words-

Thou shall never provide furtile soil for the wicked seed of electric appliance snobbery to grow on :zombie:
Never I tell you!!! Neeehhhhhhhvvvvvuuuuuuuuhhhhhhr!!!!!!!!


For disobeying the ancient rules I curse you to hear Necrodemonocryptosuffilatiophisuatuim's music in your head until you can figure out their band-logo.

lol lol lol

 

[KeithRT99]

i love to get the actual reasons from people when they make a statement like this.... don't want to change your mind... just want to know your reasons. invariably when i ask this question of a "Mac-hater" there is not much forthcoming in terms of a solid answer, and when they actually have reasons they are usually easily refuted... you know, things like "you can't right-click on them" and other such nonsense.... ooh, don't let me forget my favorite: "you can't GAME on them" . i have seriously never heard a reasonable reply from anyone i have ever asked the question "so why do you DESPISE macs?" i keep waiting for an answer like, "when i was 7 a Mac exploded and burned down my family home, killing all our pets"... now that would be a good reason to DESPISE a Mac. i mean, unless getting more work done faster and more efficiently with less crashes just really pisses you off.

QUOTE]

those were the exact reasons i didn't get a mac, but it's mainly because when you're a pc user, and you try to use a mac, it doesn't make sense like a pc does. People who are well versed on a mac know all the shortcuts and stuff, pc guys are used to certain controls and stuff.

 

[James Murphy]

those were the exact reasons i didn't get a mac, but it's mainly because when you're a pc user, and you try to use a mac, it doesn't make sense like a pc does. People who are well versed on a mac know all the shortcuts and stuff, pc guys are used to certain controls and stuff.

but you can.... game and right-click that is. right-clicking works the same exact way on a mac... just plug in a two-button mouse and rock. if you have a one-button mouse you just hold the control key down and click... in fact, the "alternate click" functionality preceeded that funtionality on PCs, just having a GUI at all so that a mouse would even be useful did.

some of the same games are not available on Macs, though there are hundreds of popular titles that are. your fave game not available on Mac? cry me a river.

 

[chadsxe]

Kazrog was talking about the phrase "half as cheap", because he noticed that the guy obviously didn't mean that... he meant "half as expensive". "half as cheap" would be the same as saying "twice as expensive"... he was not debating the cheapness of PC's (double meaning intended ). Kazrog is more than aware of the cost of PCs and Macs. reading his post more thoroughly would have made that more clear to you.

what's clear to me is that so far, the results of Razorjack's poll seem to confirm his original opinion. Pros still mostly choose Macs for audio work... even the younger gaurd. i hope more people chime in.

Dully noted.......I should learn to read better....


Anyways, as far as the "Pros" comment goes I hope you are not trying to say "because the Pros use them they are better". (I am guessing you are not and are simply making an observation). I think the whole Pros Tools/Mac combination is due to them being the first real Digital Audio tools to actually work. Back then there really was no other option. Now a days the field has leveled out so much that it does not matter. There is this "myth" the one thing is better then the other but it just is not true anymore. At least to the point of mattering. So many kids (and yes I consider my 24 year old ass a kid) get caught up in the bullshit that Macs/Pros Tools are better because the pros use them. How many times do I have to listen to "Oh this dude has pro tools so he stuff is going to sound better", or he runs on a Mac so it is going to work better. BULLSHIT......each has there flaws.....it is a matter of taste, money, logic, and research......

 

[chadsxe]

some of the same games are not available on Macs, though there are hundreds of popular titles that are. your fave game not available on Mac?.

Ha you should not be playing games on you workstation anyways....

 

[Suicide_As_Alibi]

I'm 22, and very amateur - I only started recording stuff because I'm skint, and I was pissed off with the quality of the demos I'd recorded at local studios (as well as the the complete lack of interest from most of the guys doing the recordings). I've only been doing it about a year or so, and I use Sonar and Cubase.

I use a PC, though I've no real preference - I did a degree in Computer Science and I've used hundreds of different setups, and I can't say I found a huge difference between Macs and PCs. I build all my PCs, and it works out a lot cheaper than buying a Mac - plus has the advantage of being easily upgradeable.

i mean, unless getting more work done faster and more efficiently with less crashes just really pisses you off.

Surely the efficiency and speed of doing your work comes from the software you use and how well you use it? I get graphic design work done faster and more efficiently in Paint Shop Pro than Photoshop, but from a technical standpoint Photoshop is a much better bit of software - I just don't know it as well. My current rig is about two years old, running Windows, and it never crashes - with that out of the equation I can't see any real advantage to using a Mac. Each to their own I guess.

Chadsxe: I've never had a virus either, despite the porn and dodgy software

Steve

 

[chadsxe]

Chadsxe: I've never had a virus either, despite the porn and dodgy software

Steve

Well I guess me and you are the only ones who actually know how to run a PC and not have it go f'ing crazy.....

 

[006]

but it's mainly because when you're a pc user, and you try to use a mac, it doesn' tmake sense like a pc does.

You're right. It makes more sense. For the most part, everything is the same, right click functions (on folders and the desktop), copy, paste, undo, redo, the browsers are the same (and there's even an IE for OS X...even though Safari rocks), you can use QuickTime/Windows Media to play music movies, iTunes for your music (PC and Mac), you have a ctrl+alt+del for Mac too (even though it rarely gets used ) that isn't ctrlaltdel but the function does the same thing, icons on the desktop, hard drive/other media/devices are on the desktop, your file saving controls are the same...I mean...how fucking different is a Mac...really?

The only "hard" part about switching to a Mac is getting over the fact that you could've had it this easy a long time ago. When I started using Macs I was like "holy shit, this is so much easier." You don't have to minimize everything to switch your windows, or have them all on a taskbar to keep track, you don't have to minimize to get to your desktop....looking for things on a Mac is just easy, if not then easier, as on a PC.

The way I see it, most things you can't get on a Mac (like video games...gimme a break btw) is because the developers think there aren't enough people with Macs to justify the development costs to make an OS X version. Which is completely understandable. But, if that's the only valid argument...big deal. Playing a game isn't all that important.

I'm also not trying to start any more wars or anything, I'm just so sick and tired of people bashing Macs when it honestly seems like they have no idea what they are talking about AND/OR have never really used one.

FIN.

~006

 

[Mulder]

Ha you should not be playing games on you workstation anyways....

Oh yes you should! From different partitions/OSinstalls ofcourse, but it's much too much fun to ignore.

BTW you Macfolks will get addicted very soon, the Intel Conroe that will fuel your new desktops outruns the fastest AMD Athlon at this moment at lower clockspeeds.

 

[006]

^^^ I can't wait to get myself a new G5 with one of those Intel chips in it. Then maybe my boss will shut the fuck up about PC's being god's gift to computing.

~006

 

[chadsxe]

You're right. It makes more sense. For the most part, everything is the same, right click functions (on folders and the desktop), copy, paste, undo, redo, the browsers are the same (and there's even an IE for OS X...even though Safari rocks), you can use QuickTime/Windows Media to play music movies, iTunes for your music (PC and Mac), you have a ctrl+alt+del for Mac too (even though it rarely gets used ) that isn't ctrlaltdel but the function does the same thing, icons on the desktop, hard drive/other media/devices are on the desktop, your file saving controls are the same...I mean...how fucking different is a Mac...really?

The only "hard" part about switching to a Mac is getting over the fact that you could've had it this easy a long time ago. When I started using Macs I was like "holy shit, this is so much easier." You don't have to minimize everything to switch your windows, or have them all on a taskbar to keep track, you don't have to minimize to get to your desktop....looking for things on a Mac is just easy, if not then easier, as on a PC.

The way I see it, most things you can't get on a Mac (like video games...gimme a break btw) is because the developers think there aren't enough people with Macs to justify the development costs to make an OS X version. Which is completely understandable. But, if that's the only valid argument...big deal. Playing a game isn't all that important.

I'm also not trying to start any more wars or anything, I'm just so sick and tired of people bashing Macs when it honestly seems like they have no idea what they are talking about AND/OR have never really used one.

FIN.

~006

Well to each there own I guess.....I have worked on both my whole life.....if one person thinks that working on a PC is "THAT" much harder to the point they will not work on it, then I don't understand how they get through life......not saying you 006.....need I mind you I value workflow just as much as the next guy but that is not my point....

 

[Mulder]

I'm also not trying to start any more wars or anything, I'm just so sick and tired of people bashing Macs when it honestly seems like they have no idea what they are talking about AND/OR have never really used one.

FIN.

~006

Like I said, my first Mac was a IIci. And right up OS9 all was great, loved beeing one of those snobbish apple'owners that could look down on stupid windows98users.

But now I make a decent living with a WinXPmachine. And some Mac's as FXboxes.

 

[Mulder]

^^^ I can't wait to get myself a new G5 with one of those Intel chips in it. Then maybe my boss will shut the fuck up about PC's being god's gift to computing.

~006

Don't go for the CoreDuo, compared to a G5 they may look fast but compared to a Conroe (or a P4 D9xxseries) it's mediocre, wait for fall this year. I hope Steve will allow those Macintels to have a BIOS so you can kick it's speed 50% up. Intel just announced a $50(!) cpu-watercooler that easily gets a P4 3.4 at 5Ghz. Or it can make your DAW deadsilent.

The new WinVista will install drivers and software as discimages btw, no more stuff installing everywhere around your sysfolder. And uninstalling will be as easy as in the OS9days. I guess your boss still will have enough to brag about.

 

[James Murphy]

Ha you should not be playing games on you workstation anyways....

i don't... never have, never will

 

[EtherForBreakfast]

This debate can go round and round for eternity, or until Natalie Portman engulfs my schwanz. Whichever comes first.

I used a Mac once many years ago, it was a IIc, and I used a paint program, drew an egg, and made a crack down the egg, then printed it on an Apple dot matrix printer. Other than that, I have fucked around on a Mac at Gaytar Smegma for about 10 minutes. That is the full summation of my Mac usage, 15 minutes in my lifetime - an all inclusive total.

I guess the main reason I do not own a mac is because you cannot build your own from scratch using any combination of hardware from any manufacturer to build a totally custom rig and being able to addon/upgrade/change/modify at will with absolute ease and relatively inexpensively.

I think if you grew up with Mac's, you will use them. Vice versa for PC. I have nothing against Mac at all... I think they look really cool and the software seems rock solid.

Personally, I would never dream of owning or buying a Mac mostly because I have gobs of software that only work on PC, and I know PC's inside and out. Switching to a mac at this point would be a complete and total nightmare/catastrophe.

I aint no mac hater... straight up... to the tizzle.

 

[STINNETT]

I got nothing against MAC's either.
I make my living on a PC doing engineering work. Have been for years. PC's are just comfortable to me and that's the big reason. I also am a fan of SONAR and I don't feel the need to try and learn new software. I guess I'm just stuck and I'll probably never switch.

 

[pharrell]

Yawn!!!

 

[Razorjack]

As James stated, my original point stands.

 

[STINNETT]

P.S.

When I said I do engineering work I did not mean audio engineering.....I didn't think about that when I posted it.

I use ProEngineer software for 3D design and it is not available for a Mac. Simple as that. Hence....I am a PC dude.