Males and Females

[HamburgerBoy]

A better joke is that it's never occurred to you there are social aspects to sexual attraction.

Pretty sure I never said that brah.

 

[zabu of nΩd]

To liberals, preferring white is racist but so is preferring black. What a ridiculous worldview to have, can't ever win, you're never moral or right, forever just apologising for everything you do.

Pathetic.

You're mistaking a brief moment of introspection on my part for "forever apologising" as a constant in my life. Your apathy is what's pathetic.

 

[zabu of nΩd]

Pretty sure I never said that brah.

Your ignorance of the social aspects of sexual attraction was clearly implied by what you said.

 

[HamburgerBoy]

You're mistaking a brief moment of introspection on my part for "forever apologising" as a constant in my life. Your apathy is what's pathetic.

Introspection isn't caring. In this thread, you seem to be virtue signalling at best.

 

[HamburgerBoy]

Your ignorance of the social aspects of sexual attraction was clearly implied by what you said.

It wasn't at all but keep telling yourself that if it soothes your obvious white guilt and provides validation for your zealous efforts at fighting your internalized racism and privilege. Keep up the good work, we're all cheering for you!

 

[CiG]

You're mistaking a brief moment of introspection on my part for "forever apologising" as a constant in my life. Your apathy is what's pathetic.

Fair enough. I've just seen this sentiment a lot and by this point I have no patience for it. I apologise if I mischaracterised you.

A better joke is that it's never occurred to you there are social aspects to sexual attraction.

If this were true in the way you claim, wouldn't there be no such thing as the quite common homosexual elements in porn viewing among "straight" men? If society is outwardly homophobic, surely that would get in the way of some guy's erection at the sight of pegging, cuckold porn or straight up gay porn?

Erections tend to cut through the bullshit.

 

[zabu of nΩd]

Introspection isn't caring. In this thread, you seem to be virtue signalling at best.

Well it's clear you don't care about this topic, so forgive me if I don't find your cop-out of "virtue signaling" very compelling.

 

[zabu of nΩd]

Fair enough. I've just seen this sentiment a lot and by this point I have no patience for it. I apologise if I mischaracterised you.

I appreciate that. You're a better listener than HamburgerBoy.

If this were true in the way you claim, wouldn't there be no such thing as the quite common homosexual elements in porn viewing among "straight" men? If society is outwardly homophobic, surely that would get in the way of some guy's erection at the sight of pegging, cuckold porn or straight up gay porn?

Erections tend to cut through the bullshit.

I haven't thought about that before, and honestly it's hard for me to see the analogy, but I guess my answer is that there are both physiological and social aspects to sexual attraction, with varying degrees of exclusivity/overlap between the two depending on the context.

 

[HamburgerBoy]

Well it's clear you don't care about this topic, so forgive me if I don't find your cop-out of "virtue signaling" very compelling.

I don't care about why your dick gets hard. You do, and that's fine, if you think there is a valid reason to explain your preference for white skin then by all means search for it. Defining "preference" as "justification [of] racism" and creating strawmen like "hard for me to imagine that racism has nothing to do with a preference for white skin" has nothing to do with your own introspection though. Provide any kind of reasonable argument or evidence in favor of your claims of a racist society causing your sexual preferences, otherwise you are just as apathetic, just someone willing to say "Hey, look, a thing, it must be a problem!"

 

[zabu of nΩd]

I don't care about why your dick gets hard. You do, and that's fine, if you think there is a valid reason to explain your preference for white skin then by all means search for it. Defining "preference" as "justification [of] racism" and creating strawmen like "hard for me to imagine that racism has nothing to do with a preference for white skin" has nothing to do with your own introspection though. Provide any kind of reasonable argument or evidence in favor of your claims of a racist society causing your sexual preferences, otherwise you are just as apathetic, just someone willing to say "Hey, look, a thing, it must be a problem!"

At the risk of taking a lazy shortcut, I found this paragraph on Wikipedia (which unfortunately cites either proprietary or really long sources, so it's kind of hard to fact-check) and I think it's an appropriate illustration of the issue I'm referring to:

'Asian men are often represented in media, both mainstream and LGBT, as being feminized and desexualized.[2] LGBT Asian men often report "sexual racism" from white LGBT men. The gay Asian-Canadian author Richard Fung has written that while black men are portrayed as hypersexualized, gay Asian men are portrayed as being undersexed.[3] Fung also wrote about feminizing depictions of Asian men in gay pornography, which often focuses on gay Asian men's submission to the pleasure of white men. According to Fung, gay Asian men tend to ignore or display displeasure with races such as Arabs, blacks, and other Asians but seemingly give sexual acceptance and approval to gay white men. White gay men are more frequently than other racial groups state "No Asians" when seeking partners. In inter-racial gay male pornography, Asian men are usually portrayed as submissive "bottoms".'

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_racism

 

[CiG]

But you've already said yourself that you're not racially exclusive, but rather just subject to a tier system of attractiveness.

 

[zabu of nΩd]

Are you referring to the physiologiclal/social thing, or to the Wikipedia excerpt?

 

[HamburgerBoy]

OK, I acknowledge that sexual economy is not equally distributed among all ethnicities, but that still doesn't necessarily mean racism. afaik, it's a biological truth that Asian men (since you gave that example) have smaller penises than white and black men. Indians need their own condom sizes because the "international size" is too large for them. If I'm a gay man and more cock means more stimulation of my prostate, why should I necessarily be equally as attracted to an Asian man when I can get some black dude to fuck me instead? It also ignores other aspects of cultural reality that have nothing to do with racism, for example the fact that Asians generally push academics on their children more than other ethnicities, which leads to less socialization and therefore less sexual experience and therefore less ability in pleasing a sexual partner. It also ignores that sexual attractiveness significantly determines ones ability to reproduce; is it racist that many birds engage in evolutionary sexual arms races, leading to speciation?

 

[zabu of nΩd]

I appreciate those points. That's a lot to think about, and I'm drunk right now, so I'll need time to digest.

 

[CiG]

Are you referring to the physiologiclal/social thing, or to the Wikipedia excerpt?

I regularly message non-white women on dating sites -- yet my jaw just drops for white skin in a way that it doesn't for skin of other colors.

^This. Implying you're not exclusively attracted to white women, right?

 

[zabu of nΩd]

Okay. So what if the reason I'm attracted to non-whites is physiological, and the reason for my tiered preferences is social?

 

[CiG]

Okay. So what if the reason I'm attracted to non-whites is physiological, and the reason for my tiered preferences is social?

Good question. Then again, what if you're reacting naturally to attractiveness in differing women and the only reason you're questioning this right now is itself due to social factors?

 

[zabu of nΩd]

Good question. Then again, what if you're reacting naturally to attractiveness in differing women and the only reason you're questioning this right now is itself due to social factors?

I'd say part of that question is absurd, because there are non-natural (i.e. social) aspects of attractiveness. The social aspects aren't exclusively confined to my intellectual concerns.

 

[CiG]

I'd say part of that question is absurd, because there are non-natural (i.e. social) aspects of attractiveness.

Well there's a test for this, when you see an attractive black woman, do you associate her with being low class, crime, poor, do you avoid her on a dating site because you would rather avoid "baggage" etc?

Since you're being introspective, you should try to figure out exactly why other skin tones don't do it for you to the same degree.

 

[zabu of nΩd]

No to your question. To your suggestion: I'm working on it.