Metal World Cup

[CiG]

I'm not talking the original Alice band.

So, Welcome To My Nightmare and onward?

 

[Baroque]

Dio does not beat Alice, sorry, and I say that as one of the biggest Dio fans you'll ever meet.

Dio is the pinnacle of traditional heavy metal

Venom had influences on the creation of thrash but was not thrash. No one is like "who's your favorite thrash band?" "Venom" lol. Thrash began with Metallica and slayer. Same year as venom's first anyway.

 

[CiG]

Essentially.

I still don't see that as metal, but he's obviously important in many ways to heavy music in general.

 

[crimsonfloyd]

We've been over this, and you lost.

Keep telling yourself that.

 

[CiG]

Have you even heard Raise Your Fist and Yell?

Dude, that shit came out in 1987.

 

[CiG]

Welcome and onward, he's metal. Excluding his art rock and new wave stuff of course. That's just an obvious example I gave for the sake of its obviousness.

I'd prefer an example from a year that would make him relevant to this topic though, because not only is heavy metal established by 1987, so is black metal, death metal, thrash metal, pretty much every subgenre.

 

[crimsonfloyd]

You constantly tout others as "sheep" for having certain opinions, asserting it fervently. You seem to be incognizant that you may very well be slave to your own dogma and opinions. You're like the man who lives under the weight of his own rock while shouting down others as ignoramuses for not seeing the incomparable genius of your own living situation. Instead of providing argumentation, you just hipsterishly dismiss other's opinions as mainstream or sheepish.

It's so much fun to watch the sheep bleat.

 

[CiG]

It's so much fun to watch the sheep bleat.

Lucky for you mirrors are a thing then right?

 

[crimsonfloyd]

Metallica also, the whole Bay Area thrash scene like testament and so on, the Florida death metal scene (obituary, atheist, morbid angel...) socal thrash (which isn't mentioned as much but there are so many good bands, slayer and dark angel for example). The big names in progressive metal from dream theater to symphony x to queensryche.

Tons of innovation here for better or worse. Hollywood glam metal, Texas groove metal, Seattle grunge etc.

The problem is some of those things, i.e. glam and groove, suck. Simply developing a new style in and of itself isn't an accomplishment. The new style needs to contribute something worthwhile to the genre. I think those various abominations have to count against the US to some degree. That said, you're overall point is taken. The US has consistently produced for 30+ years.

 

[Sirjack]

moron

 

[HamburgerBoy]

Sweden vs. Norway
United Kingdom vs. USA

Glam metal is better, more artistic, and more relevant than black metal. Objective fact.

American black metal (Slayer, early Exodus, etc) is better than Norwegian black metal anyways.

 

[CiG]

 

[HamburgerBoy]

Come into my home, black master rules the night
See the power start to surge, upon a hellish sight
It's time to raise them up, up from below the grave
White bones glow savagery, provide the light we crave

Turn to look at Baphomet
From below and not above
Welcome to my sacrifice ha
Tonight there'll be no love

The darkness is my lover, she makes he feel strong
Take what I want, when I want, at night I do no wrong
When I walk the streets, got Loki on my side
Slit your throat, drink your blood, who cares when others die

You thought you'd live for oh so long, now it's your turn to die
Live with Satan down in Hell, born to forever cry
Took your life, I don't feel bad, born to live in Hell
Died for nothing, slow decay, your body starts to smell

Black metal doesn't get much better than that. It mentions Loki so that makes the song proto-Viking metal too. The Bay Area thrash scene was the most creative artistic movement in in the world since Detroit/the Motown sound.

 

[crimsonfloyd]

Sweden vs. Norway
United Kingdom vs. USA

Glam metal is better, more artistic, and more relevant than black metal. Objective fact.

American black metal (Slayer, early Exodus, etc) is better than Norwegian black metal anyways.

 

[HamburgerBoy]

"Only I'm allowed to make pretentious, sweeping statements about heavy metal sub-genres"

 

[CiG]

Come into my home, black master rules the night
See the power start to surge, upon a hellish sight
It's time to raise them up, up from below the grave
White bones glow savagery, provide the light we crave

Turn to look at Baphomet
From below and not above
Welcome to my sacrifice ha
Tonight there'll be no love

The darkness is my lover, she makes he feel strong
Take what I want, when I want, at night I do no wrong
When I walk the streets, got Loki on my side
Slit your throat, drink your blood, who cares when others die

You thought you'd live for oh so long, now it's your turn to die
Live with Satan down in Hell, born to forever cry
Took your life, I don't feel bad, born to live in Hell
Died for nothing, slow decay, your body starts to smell

Those lyrics are fucking great.

 

[no country for old wainds]

Sweden vs. Norway
United Kingdom vs. USA

close but clear, in both cases.

 

[dwellerINTHEdark]

Sweden vs. Norway
United Kingdom vs. USA

 

[Phylactery]

Sweden vs Norway
United Kingdom vs USA

 

[Baroque]

Sweden vs Norway
United Kingdom vs USA

This