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Nasty-Fire
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Alright Annihilator, once again you are generalizing the stereotype of a metalhead. And in fact it can be a lifestyle, and in fact some will make too much of it, and others like myself for example will appreciate going to at least 10 shows a year (which is not a lot I believe). Yes I like drinking beer as most people (not quite sure about this though) and since I'm a "metalhead", yes I am concerned. Also, maybe it is the worst "type" you can think of, but personally, I'd rather be a stupid nerds listening to Star Wars or a metalhead doing mushpits than be a regular jack-off, the prototype of a "perfect society". And yes, it's only because I don't like that lifestyle, not to be appart from the mass, because somehow I'm still like anyone out there, but so many doesn't see it this way (that's why I get hard time getting a job). Long hair for example is just a choice, I prefer myself this way, as some prefer putting a hat, or googles, or any stuff you'd like. Some idiots don't get that... wait... "some"... I mean, too many.
And umm don't mess with people's education, not everyone's studying statistic bullshits and not everyone knows specific Enlgish terms. What makes me laugh is that you seriously think your lifestyle is better than others. Can I remind you that the best lifestyle is the one you prefer. Can I also remind you that you are yourself and not anyone else. Therefore, you have no authority on anyone here about their ways of being, except yourself. Maybe it bothers you, maybe it offends you, but others' lifestyle have nothing more wrong than yours.
As for the stuff with the "opinions", yes, you can say "that band sucks hardly IMO" but it's simply pointless, and bothers everyone. It needs some respect, at least. Finally, "huge portion" of metal is unlistenable? For you, maybe, dickhead, and who said metal was any better? Quotes please.
Also Tubbs, since our goal on this forum is to discuss, debate, or (we often hope not) argue, when someone challenges you, it is generally your job to reply. Nothing ridiculous, I'd even say it's one of the best topic since a while.
And umm don't mess with people's education, not everyone's studying statistic bullshits and not everyone knows specific Enlgish terms. What makes me laugh is that you seriously think your lifestyle is better than others. Can I remind you that the best lifestyle is the one you prefer. Can I also remind you that you are yourself and not anyone else. Therefore, you have no authority on anyone here about their ways of being, except yourself. Maybe it bothers you, maybe it offends you, but others' lifestyle have nothing more wrong than yours.
As for the stuff with the "opinions", yes, you can say "that band sucks hardly IMO" but it's simply pointless, and bothers everyone. It needs some respect, at least. Finally, "huge portion" of metal is unlistenable? For you, maybe, dickhead, and who said metal was any better? Quotes please.
Also Tubbs, since our goal on this forum is to discuss, debate, or (we often hope not) argue, when someone challenges you, it is generally your job to reply. Nothing ridiculous, I'd even say it's one of the best topic since a while.
PeeWee1473
I just pretend to know
My comparisons were quite valid. Listening is a skill you also have to learn. People have varying degrees of the ability to listen. This also means they have varying degrees on the ability to discern talent and hear differences in music. People that don't have a lot of knowledge of music tend to think a lot of things sound similar when someone with a greater knowledge would say that they do not. For instance, there are many that would say Opeth sounds similar to Slipknot, or even that Mozart sounds similar to Beethoven.
The point is that you feel that you have discerning taste when it comes to art, but there are individuals who ARE art connoisseurs who would come along and tell you that you have shit taste in art because you don't know about the wonders of the more obscure or avant-garde artists. You'd of course think they were full of shit, but you'd still be guilty of acting exactly the same way towards people with less interest or knowledge of music. I know you'll never actually admit to this, though.
Trying to claim that a genre whose average fan is 16-21 is somehow less valid than a genre with an older average listener is probably more illogical than most things said in this thread, ironically. I'm imagining the numbers you picked were arbitrary anyway, since it seems to me that the average age of guys that are actually in metal bands is above 21 and a lot of the shows I've been to have plenty of guys older than 21.
I'm really not defending metal at all anyway. I don't even consider myself a metalhead. I'm defending being the opposite of a stick-up-your-ass snob that thinks they know what's best for everyone else.
That's two stupidest things you've ever heard in your life, can't have two superlatives, can you please rank so we're all clear.
There's probably 5-10 more if I read back a page..
Tubbs
Bi-weekly top album:
I'm talking about the people who take this thread so personally and feel like they've been insulted. It's funny.
CadenZ
Son of Crom
You don't need to feel personally insulted if you're irritated or frustrated with someone's behaviour, or if you retort in a discussion. Why not try to make this forum a more decent, more creative place for everyone by removing bashing of people's personal taste and beliefs and keep the bashing to the bands in question?
biggsy
New Metal Member
why would you do that when this has been pretty much the only entertaining thread for the last few weeks?
CadenZ
Son of Crom
CadenZ
Son of Crom
^ I agree that many metalheads are narrowminded, but so are many fans of other music as well. There's nothing unusual with that, but metalheads tend to get noticed far more often as their opinions, dresscode and whatnot aren't mostly of the "common accepted" sort.
Also, metalheads have a musical taste which finds metal the most appealing genre for them. It shouldn't come as a surprise then that the average metal band sounds better to them than the average pop band.
And your opinions on the shittiness of gothic metal bands and Britney Spears > Cannibal Corpse are solely your opinions. I too think most gothic metal bands I've heard suck goat balls; but I like Cannibal Corpse far better than Britney Spears, and not because CC is much more technically advanced than BS, but because the music is more appealing to me. This means to me that the composition, arrangement and execution skills of CC are greater than BS', IMHO. This could also mean that CC's talent > BS' talent, IMHO. The term "talent" is difficult to define, but as music is a form of art, and art quality is subjective to the ear of the listener, then I guess the talent of the composers/musicians lies also in the ear of the listener and is totally subjective, which means that there is no universal truth that CC is more talented than BS or vice versa. So I would say that metalheads who gave both CC and BS an honest chance and liked CC better suffer from no kind of delusion, they've only followed their musical preferences - as every sane person should.
Also, metalheads have a musical taste which finds metal the most appealing genre for them. It shouldn't come as a surprise then that the average metal band sounds better to them than the average pop band.
And your opinions on the shittiness of gothic metal bands and Britney Spears > Cannibal Corpse are solely your opinions. I too think most gothic metal bands I've heard suck goat balls; but I like Cannibal Corpse far better than Britney Spears, and not because CC is much more technically advanced than BS, but because the music is more appealing to me. This means to me that the composition, arrangement and execution skills of CC are greater than BS', IMHO. This could also mean that CC's talent > BS' talent, IMHO. The term "talent" is difficult to define, but as music is a form of art, and art quality is subjective to the ear of the listener, then I guess the talent of the composers/musicians lies also in the ear of the listener and is totally subjective, which means that there is no universal truth that CC is more talented than BS or vice versa. So I would say that metalheads who gave both CC and BS an honest chance and liked CC better suffer from no kind of delusion, they've only followed their musical preferences - as every sane person should.
hexwind
Creepiness Och Terrorism
^I agree, it's only a matter of taste !
I personally think that it's hard to find good musical quality in metal !! I think that metal is a great music (doesn't mean that all bands are great but..) but it doesn't make it the best music genre in the world.
I personally think that it's hard to find good musical quality in metal !! I think that metal is a great music (doesn't mean that all bands are great but..) but it doesn't make it the best music genre in the world.
foodforthegods
Member
I know metalheads are often cosidered norrowminded but to me it's a normal reaction to the outside world repression. Metalheads are often considered as a bunch of ugly kids with no life and are often the one who get bullied in school of stuff. The Sam Dunn documentary (Metal: A Headbanger Journey) is a proof that metal is considered as bad music without any points. To me those people who juge without listening ARE narrowminded. Juging a music you never heard is totaly stupid. I know can juge pop music cuz I hear it everyday on radio and TV. So I can have some arguments. But anyway like it was said it's a matter of taste and to try different stuff. I'Ve tried lots of metal band which I dont like (Satyricon, Origin, Swallow The SUn, etc) and I've tried lots of other genre band that I dont like too. But I like to try and I like to open my orizon.
Someday I can listen to: Opeth, Cannibal Corpse, Dream Theater, Slayer, Megadeth, Emperor, Morbid Angel, etc
and the other to: Dave Matthews Band, Sigur Ros, Explosions In the Sky, Yes, Pink Floyd, The Offspring, etc
I just like to listen to so much varied stuff. It makes you more open minded to music and even to life in some way.
Someday I can listen to: Opeth, Cannibal Corpse, Dream Theater, Slayer, Megadeth, Emperor, Morbid Angel, etc
and the other to: Dave Matthews Band, Sigur Ros, Explosions In the Sky, Yes, Pink Floyd, The Offspring, etc
I just like to listen to so much varied stuff. It makes you more open minded to music and even to life in some way.
anything in sam dunn's documentary that he did himself (ie everything but the interviews) was fucking horrible. apparently cradle of filth is a "norwegian black metal" band. that sure is a real compelling piece of cinema to back up your posts.
hexwind
Creepiness Och Terrorism
Yeah ! and Opeth as stoner metal !!
man , you make a documentary about heavy metal without talking about Metallica??? or without mentioning progressive metal? there are plenty of other good documentaries about heavy metal, like Metal : Louder than life, i liked that one actually. Sam Dunn made those documentaries just to meet his fav musicians maybe
foodforthegods
Member
Classification is again a personnal matter. Some of you may say Opeth is progressive death metal, some say extreme prog metal, some say Prog Metal, Death metal only, etc. Classification is something totaly subjective. In fact all those band are still Metal overall. The point in Sam Dunn documentary is not about the classification of band..it's about the cultural views. Remember this guy is an anthropologist and I think he doesn't give a fuck about the genre of the band. He got his favorite band like anyone else and the others are out of his mind. Like I don'T care in lots of band, maybe I would classified them in the wrong class. Anyway still good documentaries.
Holocaust on the Moon
Temples of Syrinx
Exactly, anyone who thinks the movie sucks because of the genre chart completely misses the point of the movie.
hexwind
Creepiness Och Terrorism
no dude, what if someone who doesn't know anything about heavy metal bands, they will receive a wrong information. It's a documentary not a movie, so information has to be correct. So genre chart is important too.
What does Gorgoroth represent?
....Satan.
What does Satan embody, for you?
...Freedom.
Some people say that metal is a dying genre, what do you have to say about that?
FUCK THEM, you know. FUCK THEM.
two pieces of very good interviewing right there. Necrobutcher's specifically is just hilarious because he's so drunk off of his ass.
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