hi all, When I quad track guitars I seem to loose mono compatibility. I am usually putting two tracks each at 100% left and 100% right all recorded in separate passes. When I go to mono on the desk I lose all the meat... big time phase cancellation. How do you all deal with this?
Mono compatible quad track guitars
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Hmm, that's a good point...still, for those who prefer the sound of quad-tracking (or rather, think it's worth it, which I personally do not), I guess losing some mono fidelity is a worthy tradeoff
Basically making it not sound like assholes when it's played back in (meaning summed to) mono, such as on youtube
paladin shredder
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i use parallel compression quite a bit, and i've noticed that if i bring the compressed tracks more towards the center like 50-75%, phase cancellation has a much smaller impact when i playback in mono.
everybody's x
My name is Damage
try
<100<75~75>100>
it helps
<100<75~75>100>
it helps
Andy did say he doesn't worry about it, but it's a drag when you hear your mix in mono and there`s no guitars on it
Well honestly, where are you gonna hear your mix in mono besides youtube, anyway? Or maybe music video rotation, but somehow I doubt many of us really have to lose sleep over that 
Well honestly, where are you gonna hear your mix in mono besides youtube, anyway? Or maybe music video rotation, but somehow I doubt many of us really have to lose sleep over that
All over the place and more in the future I imagine. Cell phones, tv, internet, etc. I know it isn't going to sound huge but I am talking about almost ALL of the guitars dropping out so all of the sudden I have a drum bass and vocal mix
I don't get this. If I pan everything differently that only changes the volume of each item when it is summed in mono right? I am game for anything though.
Not quite - I'm not certain of the science behind it, but I know that the panning of things makes a difference in how they sound in mono (hence the practice of panning in mono until something "pops" out)
Torniojaws
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everybody's x
My name is Damage
put your mix in mono with the guitars centered. now move them apart until you notice them diminish then go back to the point before the phase cancellation happens. Hit the stereo button and see what you think.
everybody's x
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most club systems are run in mono, and believe me it's noticeable. any small source( say a boombox) is mono five feet away. many tv broadcasts etc. I know Andy said he doesn't worry about it, but if you take his mixes and flip them back and forth, his mix doesn't fall apart so he's paying attention somewhere.Well honestly, where are you gonna hear your mix in mono besides youtube, anyway? Or maybe music video rotation, but somehow I doubt many of us really have to lose sleep over that
also he pans 100<80-80>100 at least as far as he's posted on here. and that makes a huge difference between hard left and right.
I dunno my shit got better all the way around when I started checking in mono first, not that I'm a badass or anything..
flhctroll
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When you say Andy does 100<80-80>100, is h doing all at same level... or some at -3db or so. And if he is doin -3db which is the 80 and 100.
everybody's x
My name is Damage
Ask him!
(I don't remember) I think the inner tracks were quieter
it might be on noise101
everybody's x
My name is Damage
and as far as "mono schmono" maybe it isn't a big deal, but I know that when I listen to the big boy's mixes and they are almost completely mono compatible it drives me crazy. They've got some mojo I don't have and therefore I must figure it out. The worst thing that can happen is I get better at this stuff right?
Zuranthus
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yeah, it's called a goniometer
you would want to keep that bar at the bottom to the right as much as possible, & the green blob in the middle
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goniometer_(audio)
Keiffer
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this discussion makes no sense... separate performances have no phase coherency, thus do not cancel or add when summed to mono like with two mics tracked on a single source.
poorly performed separate performances will only sound like a mess when panned to the center. there will be no continuous phase issues.
you can prove this by doing two performances, invert one and try to make them cancel... impossible.
poorly performed separate performances will only sound like a mess when panned to the center. there will be no continuous phase issues.
you can prove this by doing two performances, invert one and try to make them cancel... impossible.
everybody's x
My name is Damage
well not true phase cancellation, as in inverting the same audio file, but you can definitely have phase cancellation between similar tracks just like the snare mic may be out of phase with the overheads. It doesn't cancel the snare but it would certainly fuck it up. Same thing with really tight doubles. which brings me to the next thing, tracking with two different amps sometimes helps with this
