Most genre representing albums

[Scourge of Malice]

Mastodon (especially Leviathan) has no more to do with Metalcore than just about any band posted in here. Do your homework.

 

[Manic Ferocity]

Compare Mithotyn's Gathered Around the Oaken Table (Viking) to Elvenking's Heathenreel (folk)...big difference. I don't dispute there's overlap between the two genres, but there are enough differences that distinguish each genre.

There simply aren't enough differences (if any at all) to distinguish between both genres. Even on the archives there are rarely any bands that are just called viking metal without black or folk backing it up which proves that it's just talking about lyrics and nothing else.

 

[Hell Awaits Us All]

Mastodon (especially Leviathan) has no more to do with Metalcore than just about any band posted in here. Do your homework.

metalcore = metal + hardcore

are you denying the fact that mastodon is metal and has hardcore influence???

 

[skeptik]

Or are they hardcore and have metal influences?

 

[Hell Awaits Us All]

Or are they hardcore and have metal influences?

they're not a hardcore band

they're a metal band with hardcore, progressive rock, thrash and doom influences

progressive, progressive metalcore, progressive sludge - all those terms fit

 

[Mort Divine]

There simply aren't enough differences (if any at all) to distinguish between both genres. Even on the archives there are rarely any bands that are just called viking metal without black or folk backing it up which proves that it's just talking about lyrics and nothing else.

However there ARE enough differences.

Ancient Rites have very little to no folk influences in them and their black metal influence is very very very not prominent. They are a prime example of Viking metal without folk influence or without glaringly obvious black metal influence.

Einherjer is pretty much devoid of black metal influences on a few albums (Odin Owns Ye All in particular) and yet have the riffing styles and atmosphere that most Viking metal possesses.

Tyr's guitar work is similar to the above bands, just played with more of a power metal feel. They have very little folk to them.

Thyrfing, while being more black metal influenced than the other bands I've mentioned can't be called that and they have a minimal amount of folk influences. Their riffs recall those of the above bands.

And the afore mentioned Mithotyn ...

You just can't compare a band like Glittertind (and above bands + many more) to a proper Folk/Black band such as Heol Telwen, Numen, Belenos, and Nazgul.

 

[cookiecutter]

Odins Owns Ye All is one of the most ridiculous album names I've ever heard.

 

[Carcassian]

Carcass - Necroticism - THE quintessential Death Metal Album
Metallica - Kill 'Em All - The definitive thrash album



Doom....now Doom is much trickier...but for me, I think that Pentagram - Relentless is probably the closest pick.

 

[Mort Divine]

Odins Owns Ye All is one of the most ridiculous album names I've ever heard.

Haha yes it is. Fun album though.

 

[Hell Awaits Us All]

Carcass - Necroticism - THE quintessential Death Metal Album
Metallica - Kill 'Em All - The definitive thrash album



Doom....now Doom is much trickier...but for me, I think that Pentagram - Relentless is probably the closest pick.

carcass is a grind band dude

and that album by metallica is speed metal not thrash

 

[Carcassian]

carcass is a grind band dude

and that album by metallica is speed metal not thrash

Dave - I fear that the roll eyes emoticon would fail to do my current facial expression justice. Nether the less,

 

[CAIRATH]

carcass is a grind band dude

I take it you have never listened to anything after Symphonies of Sickness.

 

[Carcassian]

I take it you have never listened to anything after Symphonies of Sickness.

...and indeed, Symphonies is in many ways much more aligned with classic heavy metal, thrash palm muted "e" riffs and death metal arrangements than with grindcore per-se.

I presume Dave is learning about metal from Wiki or somesuch, so at least he's making some sort of effort.

 

[Hell Awaits Us All]

isn't carcass pure grind??? every website lists them as a grind band (and offcourse they become melo death later)

is there something I'm missing???

metallica's 1st 2 albums are pure speed metal IMO - Hessian.org: heavy metal music and culture

 

[The Heartbreak Kid]

Kill 'em all is thrash.

 

[Carcassian]

1) Kill 'Em All is a thrash album, dude. For real.

2) Carcass were grind on Reek. Trust me on Carcass (note the name).

 

[Mort Divine]

Metallica were never speed metal.

 

[The Heartbreak Kid]

Marty Friedman's solo project is speed. Listen to the both.

 

[Hell Awaits Us All]

if they're grind, how can they release the quintiessential death metal album??

and yea you're right about metallica... their 1st 2 albums are speed/thrash

 

[Carcassian]

if they're grind, how can they release the quintiessential death metal album??

and yea you're right about metallica... their 1st 2 albums are speed/thrash

Dave.

1) Carcass were grind for one album, where as the second has some grind elements. By "Necroticism", they were totally death metal. This is not unpresedented. Napalm Death and Bolt Thrower also went through similar journeys, with the former having been band mates of some of Carcass during their earliest periods. Carcass morphed in their musical delivery through their entire discography. They WERE grind, mate.

BTW, can I recommend that you listen to (at least) Carcass - Necroticism and Carcass - Heartwork ? You might then know where I'm coming from...