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Haha ..it still amazes me that some of you that appreciate undeground music and culture on the other hand cannot appreciate "arts fartsy" movies.
Lost in Translation was amazing ... it's one of those movies that if you cannot relate to the situation it would go over your head.
Don't give me that hogwash about "going over your head" or "you don't get it". The (lack of) plot was dull and plain as day. Two souls unhappy with their lives meet in a strange land and become friends and are attracted to eachother but choose to remain faithful to their spouses even though they are unhappy with them. That's basically the gist of it.
LiT was a simple pseudo-intelligent independent movie trying to be passed off as deep and symbolic. It failed.
And if LiT is culture, count me out. Culture must be boring.
EDIT: The fact that it was directed by FF Copolla's daughter had a lot to do with the nominations, I'm sure. Well that, and the Academy likes to think of itself as culture aware, which is why independent films are nominated a lot of times.
LiT was a simple pseudo-intelligent independent movie trying to be passed off as deep and symbolic. It failed.
And if LiT is culture, count me out. Culture must be boring.
EDIT: The fact that it was directed by FF Copolla's daughter had a lot to do with the nominations, I'm sure. Well that, and the Academy likes to think of itself as culture aware, which is why independent films are nominated a lot of times.
you got the plot figured out .. that is all it was .. i did not see any symbolism behind it really or anything deep.
all i said was that if you cannot relate to the plot, you will not enjoy it. if you would live in a big city like NY it might make more sense.
i think the movie was really about that unspoken bond that you might have with someone ... on a friendship level. That was it ...
it certainly stayed with me for days after watching it, so this is a sign of a good movie for ME!
well, I did live in Houston, which is pretty big. :Smug:
It just didn't strike me as anything exciting, as nothing really happened. He goes to work, she explores Tokyo. They meet at the bar. <repeat> It just went nowhere.
Give me Ghostbusters anyday.
It just didn't strike me as anything exciting, as nothing really happened. He goes to work, she explores Tokyo. They meet at the bar. <repeat> It just went nowhere.
Give me Ghostbusters anyday.
MadeInNewJersey
nursing my wounds
I just watched "School Of Rock," and I must say, I fucken loved it. 
I really had this preconceived notion that it was just another silly Jack Black vehicle, but damn me if it didn't have actual substance to it. I truly dug how it was about one man's completely over-the-top obsession with music (hmmm, relate much?), and how these kids went from being a means to an end to a bunch of peers he actually cared about.
But damn if I didn't want to punch his roommate's girlfriend right in the fucking jaw.
I really had this preconceived notion that it was just another silly Jack Black vehicle, but damn me if it didn't have actual substance to it. I truly dug how it was about one man's completely over-the-top obsession with music (hmmm, relate much?), and how these kids went from being a means to an end to a bunch of peers he actually cared about.
But damn if I didn't want to punch his roommate's girlfriend right in the fucking jaw.
Nate The Great
What would Nathan do?
I just watched 'School of Rock' too, and it was HELL GOOD! Jack Black had me squirtin' jizz . . . 'cause it was funny. Not because he turns me on . . . 'cause he doesn't.
Shakermaker
Hufeisenbrille
Dreamlord said:
Yeah, that's more or less the whole thing summed up. I understand your criticism but I think the (visual) execution of the above-mentioned concept was very well done and I also liked the unusual portrayal of romance...
Nate The Great
What would Nathan do?
I thought Lost in Translation was excellent. Being an English major in college taught me that there are people that can comprehend stuff like that, and there are people that just don't care. I'm not trying to put anybody down, but it is just an observation of mine. I can't help but appreciate the subtle ideas and expressions of a movie like Lost in Translation. No offense to anybody (i.e. Dreamlord), but I just don't know how else to explain it.
I view all art similarly . . . movies, music, fine art, writings, etc.
I view all art similarly . . . movies, music, fine art, writings, etc.
MadeInNewJersey
nursing my wounds
I haven't seen LiT, but I certainly want to. I know exactly what you mean. Some people "get" certain movies and are touched by them; others don't care about them at all. It's what makes the world go 'round.npearce said:
JayKeeley
Be still, O wand'rer!
Yeah but Dreamlord said: "And if LiT is culture, count me out. Culture must be boring."
Come on, he is from Texas!
I'm a just keeediingg!! *boom boom tish!*
Come on, he is from Texas!
I'm a just keeediingg!! *boom boom tish!*
Nate The Great
What would Nathan do?
It sounds mean when we say it like that, but I don't mean it in a mean-spirited manner.markgugs said:
MadeInNewJersey
nursing my wounds
Heh, I know. I'm not trying to insult anyone in particular, or even any whole group of likeminded folks. I'm just saying, certain people with certain backgrounds appreciate more "thinking" type movies (and other pop culture; this translates over to music & literature as well) and some don't. It's that simple.
Well, perhaps I don't care then. The movie in itself was not hard to comprehend at all. It was a very simple movie. A very BORING simple movie.
If that's culture, culture is overrated.
If that's culture, culture is overrated.
I also enjoyed Naomi Watts' breasts...er...21 Grams. It was pretty interesting. And her breasts are fantastic. They aren't huge like the silicon-stuffed porn stars, but they certainly aren't small compared to normal girls. And you get some nice long extremely close shots of them in this movie. For that alone, it's worth watching. But it's also a pretty interesting movie.ChiefB said:
About Lost In Translation, I wonder how much money Francis Ford Coppola used to bribe the Academy into the awards for that. It wasn't as horrible as Dreamlord made it sound, but it didn't really go anywhere interesting.
Let be make myself clear about LiT. I "got" it. There isn't much to "get". It wasn't a deep film by any stretch. It was more or less trying to get a point across, which it did, albeit in a very boring way. Like jimbob said, it just didn't go anywhere.
I love "thinking man" movies. Memento, Donnie Darko, and the like are all fantastic. Why? Because they get their point across in an effective way WHILE AT THE SAME TIME keeping the viewer interested and telling a compelling story.
Another movie that everyone raves about because it is supposedly "like deep man, deep" is Requiem for a Dream. This movie wasn't deep at all. It was simply about lost dreams and not being able to obtain them told through the eyes of three individuals that keep falling deeper and deeper into their addictions. Big whoop. I didn't give a fuck about any of them (well, the ass to ass part was cool) and was like "eh, so what?" after it ended. Yeah, not everyone reaches their dreams and drugs are bad. Thanks, move along.
As long as something tells an engaging story, I don't care if it's Troll 2, Crocodile Dundee 3, Lord of the Rings or The Usual Suspects. Hell, I still don't fully understand Donnie Darko, and I think it's fantastic. Just because something is artistically different, doesn't automatically make it good, which is something the Academy needs to learn. How else do you explain The English Patient?
I love "thinking man" movies. Memento, Donnie Darko, and the like are all fantastic. Why? Because they get their point across in an effective way WHILE AT THE SAME TIME keeping the viewer interested and telling a compelling story.
Another movie that everyone raves about because it is supposedly "like deep man, deep" is Requiem for a Dream. This movie wasn't deep at all. It was simply about lost dreams and not being able to obtain them told through the eyes of three individuals that keep falling deeper and deeper into their addictions. Big whoop. I didn't give a fuck about any of them (well, the ass to ass part was cool) and was like "eh, so what?" after it ended. Yeah, not everyone reaches their dreams and drugs are bad. Thanks, move along.
As long as something tells an engaging story, I don't care if it's Troll 2, Crocodile Dundee 3, Lord of the Rings or The Usual Suspects. Hell, I still don't fully understand Donnie Darko, and I think it's fantastic. Just because something is artistically different, doesn't automatically make it good, which is something the Academy needs to learn. How else do you explain The English Patient?
The Academy based LOTR on all three movies, not just the one. It was widely know that the Academy was going to wait until the last installment was released before heaping awards upon it.lurch70 said:
Out of the five Best Movie of the Year nominees, I saw two: LOTR and LiT. While LOTR was fantastic, it's still hard to comprehend the Academy giving the awrd to a fantasy film, but it was easily the better of the two films I saw.
Another example, look at the movie Chicago. Oh my God what a shitfest, but was it different? Yes. Was it cultural? Yes. Did it win lots of awards? Yes.
I'm proud of the Academy for actually picking the best film this year (well, out of the two I saw) instead of going with the "different" film.
And what year was it that they picked the Italian flick "Life is Beautiful", a movie no one had even heard of?
I'm proud of the Academy for actually picking the best film this year (well, out of the two I saw) instead of going with the "different" film.
And what year was it that they picked the Italian flick "Life is Beautiful", a movie no one had even heard of?
MadeInNewJersey
nursing my wounds
I just want to state that all my comments on this topic have absolutely nothing to do with the Academy or what wins awards or anything like that. This year was an aberration in that the best movie actually won. I'm not talking about best movie this year; I didn't need to see all the others that were nominated. LOTR on the whole is the best movie ever made.
