Nationalism and Homogeneity

Most people who aren't neurotic tend to live around those like them. Nationalism empowers this. It also means that every community actually has values in common, so that community can reject bad things like polluting industry and parasitic people.

The American experiment in melting-potism is proving to be a failure anyway... not long now.


How is this "melting-potism" proving to be a failure? Does one have to be a certain race to have common values and reject bad things like pollution and morons?

I'm in utterly befuddled about the so-called "white" race and why it needs to be preserved... It's not going to be the end of the world of course, but a "grave" event when the white race disappears... What? Why? This is hilarious. I mean, some of the brainiest of posters here are placing value on the color of their skin? :lol: That's as ridiculous as "I'm proud, I was born with teeth," lol. I don't see how anyone can be proud of their race, it's incidental.
 
How is this "melting-potism" proving to be a failure? Does one have to be a certain race to have common values and reject bad things like pollution and morons?

I'm in utterly befuddled about the so-called "white" race and why it needs to be preserved... It's not going to be the end of the world of course, but a "grave" event when the white race disappears... What? Why? This is hilarious. I mean, some of the brainiest of posters here are placing value on the color of their skin? :lol: That's as ridiculous as "I'm proud, I was born with teeth," lol. I don't see how anyone can be proud of their race, it's incidental.

Ethnic nepotism. I wonder why you don't have any such urges? I suspect that it is either that you are mixed race or that you are so domesticated by civilisation that you have lost your instincts. (But it could be just that you need them awakened).

Would it matter if everyone lost their instincts and lost their ethnic nepotism and all got along together? You might respond.

But they dont though. What happens is that the ones who lose that instinct will be supplanted by those who still have it.

But if you don't care - there may be nothing one can do to make you care. And if you are not one of my kind it is of no consequence to me anyway.
 
This one.

He very obviously comes off as the typical ignorant who refuses to acknowledge that race runs far deeper than one's skin color.

It's amazing how many here are so convinced of this and are unable to point to any of the evidence? Dare I ask again in another thread? :lol:

edit: Found an interesting article here - http://home.comcast.net/~neoeugenics/miele.htm
no real hard data but seemingly well written and justified. Not exactly a large scientific consensus, but interesting nonetheless.
 
This one.

He very obviously comes off as the typical ignorant who refuses to acknowledge that race runs far deeper than one's skin color.

I am not a "typical ignorant," though I apologize for my brash post earlier, it is comments like mine earlier that I despise. I am one who takes pride in who I am and what I've accomplished, race has NOTHING to do with who I am. I am of mixed race, but this is irrelevent as there are many "mixed" races who do have a strong cultural identity. How deep does "race" run? I am sure it runs in bones, and other minor adaptations, but little else. After that it is a social construct.

Norsemaiden, please elaborate on your idea that I may be "domesticated by civilization." I simply cannot grasp how you came to this conclusion. I am not denying that I am a person of race, however mixed, I am just pointing out that the color of one's skin is a ridiculous thing to be proud of.
 
I am not a "typical ignorant," though I apologize for my brash post earlier, it is comments like mine earlier that I despise. I am one who takes pride in who I am and what I've accomplished, race has NOTHING to do with who I am. I am of mixed race, but this is irrelevent as there are many "mixed" races who do have a strong cultural identity. How deep does "race" run? I am sure it runs in bones, and other minor adaptations, but little else. After that it is a social construct.

Norsemaiden, please elaborate on your idea that I may be "domesticated by civilization." I simply cannot grasp how you came to this conclusion. I am not denying that I am a person of race, however mixed, I am just pointing out that the color of one's skin is a ridiculous thing to be proud of.

Because you are mixed race you have no affinity with any one race. In several countries such as Korea, mixed race people are well known to be viewed with hostility, due to ethnic nepotism. There is a natural urge to keep out those who are not part of one's instinctively perceived gene pool.
By "domesticated by civilisation" I mean that civilisation allows people to survive without the keen instincts and psysical qualities necessary for pre-civilised life. Natural selection does not have the chance to keep people in their original condition and they get warped. (Not everyone equally nor simultaneously, but we all have been affected by this to some extent).
Those who have had civilisation for the shortest amount of time are healthier genetically.

Blowtus.
"No one characteristic, trait, or gene distinguishes all members of one so-called race from all members of another so-called race." Agreed!
Colour of skin is not enough to define race. When we say "White" we actually are meaning a whole lot more than skin colour alone.

A negro is recognisably not the same as a blond, blue-eyed Nordic. What shall we call this difference?
 
A negro is recognisably not the same as a blond, blue-eyed Nordic. What shall we call this difference?

We should call it a difference in appearance. Should we find more important genetic differences, we should likewise classify them accurately. The fact that race has typically been defined purely on typical appearance doesn't strike me as indicating 'race' as a very useful concept - if we truly are only different on the outside there seems no real use to any distinction.
 
We should call it a difference in appearance. Should we find more important genetic differences, we should likewise classify them accurately. The fact that race has typically been defined purely on typical appearance doesn't strike me as indicating 'race' as a very useful concept - if we truly are only different on the outside there seems no real use to any distinction.

It is a group difference in appearance, and it is genetic.

Also blue eyes are from the white race and never existed in other races until they genetically bred with white people with blue eyes. So that is one genetic characteristic which is from one race, even though mixing has made it less exclusive by now.

Wooly short hair that cannot grow more than a centimenter is characteristic of pure negroes and any other people with that have got it through some race mixing. Actually I think no one else has it, because race mixing allows it to grow to a longer length.

The African ancestors of the White race had straight hair.
 
We should call it a difference in appearance. Should we find more important genetic differences, we should likewise classify them accurately. The fact that race has typically been defined purely on typical appearance doesn't strike me as indicating 'race' as a very useful concept - if we truly are only different on the outside there seems no real use to any distinction.

Ok, so it isn’t a race, it is a ‘difference in appearance’? Keyword here…different. If you can clearly distinguish a human race by phenotype from another then the classification is obviously valid and it will be accurate. This concept is very well understood in biology, it is only people with liberal agendas that deny it.

Furthermore, what genetic differences are you referring to? You haven’t specified that one bit…why is that? Perhaps you don’t even know what your talking about? Here is some genetic evidence for the differences of humanity, you haven’t specified what kind you are looking for but this very new research speaks volumes.



Until now it was assumed that the human genome, or "book of life", is largely the same for everyone, save for a few spelling differences in some of the words. Instead, the findings suggest that the book contains entire sentences, paragraphs or even whole pages that are repeated any number of times.
The findings mean that instead of humanity being 99.9 per cent identical, as previously believed, we are at least 10 times more different between one another than once thought - which could explain why some people are prone to serious diseases.

http://www.propagandamatrix.com/articles/november2006/231106Genetic.htm
 
It is a group difference in appearance, and it is genetic.

Sorry, I was a little under the weather last night :loco: No reason it shouldn't be called 'race' when it's a group difference in appearance as you suggest - but in order for the concept of 'seperate races are important' to be taken seriously I think far more substantial differences than external appearance should be demonstrated. The link I posted before goes some way to arguing this reasonably, I'll have a go at digesting some more of it before I post more here :)
 
Sorry, I was a little under the weather last night :loco: No reason it shouldn't be called 'race' when it's a group difference in appearance as you suggest - but in order for the concept of 'seperate races are important' to be taken seriously I think far more substantial differences than external appearance should be demonstrated. The link I posted before goes some way to arguing this reasonably, I'll have a go at digesting some more of it before I post more here :)

We aren't yet capable of showing that races are far more different than appearance alone scientifically, at least without extensive and certainly extremely expensive research -- which society isn't going to fund, due to its steadfast taboos.

But, we don't need to absolutely prove the differences scientifically as you seem to suggest -- there are other ways of rationally observing these differences. Behavioral study, cultural study, history, psychology, observation of other mammal species, and basic logical reasoning: all easily point to the conclusion that race runs far deeper than appearance -- far deeper than physical performance: but runs through every aspect of innate human nature, mental as well as physical.
 
There is a natural urge to keep out those who are not part of one's instinctively perceived gene pool.

i'm not so sure. wouldn't the phenomenon of native americans adopting euro-americans into their groups and breeding contradict your idea? or am i misunderstanding what you are trying to say?
 
We aren't yet capable of showing that races are far more different than appearance alone scientifically, at least without extensive and certainly extremely expensive research -- which society isn't going to fund, due to its steadfast taboos.

But, we don't need to absolutely prove the differences scientifically as you seem to suggest -- there are other ways of rationally observing these differences. Behavioral study, cultural study, history, psychology, observation of other mammal species, and basic logical reasoning: all easily point to the conclusion that race runs far deeper than appearance -- far deeper than physical performance: but runs through every aspect of innate human nature, mental as well as physical.

Exactly! We spend a staggering amount of time here questioning even the most obvious phenomena, simply because we cannot find some precise scientific/genetic explanation to support what everyone can see, if only they open their eyes and/or minds. Sometimes, we are too analytically minded for our own worldly good.
Nevertheless, the ongoing Genome project continues to reveal a wealth of incontrovertible evidence of genetic differences between the races. Among these are various racially-unique manifestations of disease and general health issues that cannot be explained away with the typical pablum about "poverty" "access to healthcare," etc.

Of course matters of intellectual capacity measurement(IQ) and similar metrics utilized to determine acedemic aptitude and fitness, continue to show clear, consistent and considerable differences between the races, and have for a century. Despite the often deceptive efforts to distort or dismiss these findings, they remain consistent worldwide, across economic lines, regardless of cultural background, etc. Such tests clearly provide the most simple and obvious explanation of why the races continue to either thrive or struggle in the great competition for natural excellence.
Year upon year, American acedemia twists its collective self into knots or concocts the most outlandish nonsense to explain why these so-called acedemic "achievement gaps" persist. I suppose we can, nay must all pretend not to see what should be obvious to any thinking person, lest we be considered "insensitive, intolerant" or some similar modern moral infraction.
Evidently, it is that much more righteous to force some students to meet standards that for all intents and purposes, they cannot. Then we can choose to either lower the standards overall, continue to excuse failure by blaming everything but the most readily identifiable rationale, or simply pretending we just can't figure out why this gap persists one way or the other - the latter being one of the more popular tactics today.
This is a peculiar and pernicious brand of morality as preached from the pulpit of political correctness...but anything is preferable to reality, if in fact that reality will poke even a small hole in the equality myth-foundation upon which the whole of western liberal 'civilization' now rests.
 
how about massive amounts of bombs as an explanation?

Good grief, what on earth would that explain? Massive amounts of bombs you mean such as the unprecedented amount of deadly incendiaries dropped upon Germany or Japan in World War Two? Germany and Japan remain two clear world leaders in technology, modern development, economic progress, etc. even in spite of the merciless devastation visited upon them by the Allies sixty plus years ago.
Bombs???
 
Good grief, what on earth would that explain? Massive amounts of bombs you mean such as the unprecedented amount of deadly incendiaries dropped upon Germany or Japan in World War Two? Germany and Japan remain two clear world leaders in technology, modern development, economic progress, etc. even in spite of the merciless devastation visited upon them by the Allies sixty plus years ago.
Bombs???

Germany and Japan are where they are largley thanks to the U.S. becoming a world hegemon in the post-world war II era, proping up select allies such as the two aforementioned countries through massive aid, as a basis of economic and strategic might to counter communism/rebellious dissent.

anway, bombs wasn't really the best way for me to make my point. take an African country like the Congo for example. was Mobutu, the brutal dictator propped up by and supported for decades by the United States, smarter then Lumumba, the quasi-communist rebel leader who was assasinated by Mobutu's henchman with CIA support/orchestration? or were they both just dumb my pals? i'm trying to say that in order to understand the Congo, one must have at least a rudimentary understading of U.S. foreign policy/neo-colonial aggression. to chalk it up to IQ is overly simplistic and ignores complex historical processes which i believe shed much more light on sociological conditions.
 
Oh god ...

:lol: :lol: :lol:


How does that even make an ounce of sense in reference to Germany or Japan ... ? (The communism part)

And rebellious dissent ... ?

What difference would it make if it didn't make sense? the part of my point that preceded the part you quoted demonstrates that there are international economic relations historically that contribute greatly to present day economic standing.

I assume you think rebellious dissent doesn't make sense? well, dissent can mean almost anything where someone is disagreeing and expressing it in some way. this often falls short of what most people would consider rebellion, the latter not necessarily being the same as communism. hence the distinctions and nuances of language to portray different tendencies.

The u.s. propped up and related with Japan to a large degree because they wanted to avoid soivet influence in Asia generally. having japan as a capitalist power in that area of the world provides a counter model to the soviet model which was gaining credence in various places, such as Vietnam. same goes for Germany. also, the U.S. could have key military bases in these regions, which could be used to stop communist development, which we all know happened on a large scale in Vietnam, among other places.
 
What difference would it make if it didn't make sense? the part of my point that preceded the part you quoted demonstrates that there are international economic relations historically that contribute greatly to present day economic standing.

I assume you think rebellious dissent doesn't make sense? well, dissent can mean almost anything where someone is disagreeing and expressing it in some way. this often falls short of what most people would consider rebellion, the latter not necessarily being the same as communism. hence the distinctions and nuances of language to portray different tendencies.

The u.s. propped up and related with Japan to a large degree because they wanted to avoid soivet influence in Asia generally. having japan as a capitalist power in that area of the world provides a counter model to the soviet model which was gaining credence in various places, such as Vietnam. same goes for Germany. also, the U.S. could have key military bases in these regions, which could be used to stop communist development, which we all know happened on a large scale in Vietnam, among other places.

Are you defending or supporting the US's actions? Because everything you've said as of yet shows nothing but historical actions of arrogance and idiocy the US has taken.

And no, I didn't mean rebellious dissent doesn't make sense -- in fact, it makes absolutely perfect sense. We need rebellious dissent more than nearly anything in our current era. I was simply wondering what you meant when you said that -- as in: were you talking of "rebellious dissent" as something negative?
 
Are you defending or supporting the US's actions? Because everything you've said as of yet shows nothing but historical actions of arrogance and idiocy the US has taken.

And no, I didn't mean rebellious dissent doesn't make sense -- in fact, it makes absolutely perfect sense. We need rebellious dissent more than nearly anything in our current era. I was simply wondering what you meant when you said that -- as in: were you talking of "rebellious dissent" as something negative?

i wasn't trying to support or reject u.s. actions with my last few posts. i was just trying to objectively portray history. now if you want to know whether i personally support U.S. actions described in previous posts, the simple answer is no.