NFL 2009

[King Richard]

The only thing on Brady's resume that's noteworthy are his 3 rings, which were TEAM accomplishments, not player accomplishments, PERIOD. Aside from that, you guys don't have a leg to stand on when it comes to comparing Brady and Manning because Manning owns him in every imaginable category and statistic.

End of discussion.

 

[Mort Divine]

Manning > Brees > Brady

 

[muzmaze]

@ KD
Not true...and this isn't a Brady / Manning comparison anyway, wich is a little closer than you'd like to think my friend. Its about the so-called category of great players that play a big part in winning thier rings...no matter how many rings? These certainly aren't guys that luck-out and fell onto a ring...then disappeared? You mentioned the 3-rings as a team accomplishment...sure, but if you don't think Brady played a big part in those team accomp.s...then you need to get a checkup from the neck-up.

Like I said...think a guy like Steve Young knows a helluva lot more than we do into what makes a great QB...obviously he thinks Brady has both the individual and more important team credentials as well.

 

[King Richard]

Well it obviously is a Brady-Manning comparison because the only people in this thread arguing the other side just happen to be Pats fans. Coincidence? I think not.

The Patriots' teams earlier in this decade were known for being excellent defensive teams and obviously well coached. Their offenses were never more than above average in any facet of the game. Brady clearly isn't stupid and doesn't lose games for the Patriots, but he certainly never played a huge role in winning a ton of games either.

Whether you want to admit it or not, the Patriots may not have won one ring let alone three if it weren't for that fucking tuck rule game. Obviously they went on to win the Super Bowl so they obviously deserved it, but that was all in spite of Brady, not because of Brady.

I'll be the first to acknowledge that the year the Colts won the Super Bowl that Manning was only half of the reason not the only reason the Colts were successful in winning the championship. The defense played phenomenally throughout the playoffs including the Super Bowl even when Manning was struggling. That's what good teams do, and that's why Brady has 3 rings, and that's why your argument is completely moot.

edit: Obviously.

 

[Krigloch the Furious]

Manning > Brees > Brady

+1

 

[muzmaze]

Well it obviously is a Brady-Manning comparison because the only people in this thread arguing the other side just happen to be Pats fans. Coincidence? I think not.

The Patriots' teams earlier in this decade were known for being excellent defensive teams and obviously well coached. Their offenses were never more than above average in any facet of the game. Brady clearly isn't stupid and doesn't lose games for the Patriots, but he certainly never played a huge role in winning a ton of games either.

Whether you want to admit it or not, the Patriots may not have won one ring let alone three if it weren't for that fucking tuck rule game. Obviously they went on to win the Super Bowl so they obviously deserved it, but that was all in spite of Brady, not because of Brady.

I'll be the first to acknowledge that the year the Colts won the Super Bowl that Manning was only half of the reason not the only reason the Colts were successful in winning the championship. The defense played phenomenally throughout the playoffs including the Super Bowl even when Manning was struggling. That's what good teams do, and that's why Brady has 3 rings, and that's why your argument is completely moot.

edit: Obviously.

I'm not really arguing or comparing like some others may be doing? We have been round this circle before. Its the "even shitty QB's have won rings" comments that gets me as well as your "winning in spite of Brady" stuff that goes a little too far IMO. Sure, you mentioned good points...I have long recognized what Brady's job and role is...he's not always been great and the main reason for winning. But he is far from the "shitty QB" who fell into titles...he's closer to an impact player, very important player on those Title teams.

 

[MasterOLightning]

Manning is the best QB of the Super Bowl era, and it's not even really close. Elway and Marino are probably the next tier. It gets messy after that.

 

[skeptik]

The Patriots are documented for cheating. It's easier to win when you know what the other team is about to do.

 

[muzmaze]

The only thing on Brady's resume that's noteworthy are his 3 rings, which were TEAM accomplishments, not player accomplishments, PERIOD. Aside from that, you guys don't have a leg to stand on when it comes to comparing Brady and Manning because Manning owns him in every imaginable category and statistic.

End of discussion.

Peyton
-reg season (incl +2 more seasons than Brady) 98-09
348-169 td / int
95.4 rtg
64.7% comp
47,855 yds
-playoffs
22-17 td / int
85.0 rtg
61.7% comp
7-7 rec w/ opp win% .728


Brady
-reg season 00-09
212-90 td / int
93.4 rtg
63.2% comp
28,487 yds
-playoffs
25-12 td / int
88.5 rtg
62.7% comp
14-3 rec w/ opp win% .779

I may be off + / - a few stats here...however, sure Peyton has it over Brady on some stats. Both players have also been surrounded with good coaches, management & talent for the most part in thier careers. But this clearly proves in the player accomplishments dept as you put it...Brady holds his own to anyone...he's done just fine. My main point is not to really compare the players but to prove Brady has not just been the player along for the ride like you think and is even better when it counts (in the playoffs). Brady's player accomplishments were achieved with not nearly (until recently) the talent of offensive weapons that Peyton has had in his career. I even admit Peyton is the guy right now...playing phenominal. I think you just miss the boat or underestimate just how good Brady is and what he has produced in the past.

 

[muzmaze]

The Patriots are documented for cheating. It's easier to win when you know what the other team is about to do.

get outta here-they cheated...I didn't know this?
Get over it...old news. NFL teams filming, not the advantage people think? We know its kinda like steroids in MLB...many have done it wether caught or not? Actually all Nfl teams film, use it, and do it the same way as the Pats did...but not all MLB players take roids?

 

[Badbird]

Peyton
-reg season (incl +2 more seasons than Brady) 98-09
348-169 td / int
95.4 rtg
64.7% comp
47,855 yds
-playoffs
22-17 td / int
85.0 rtg
61.7% comp
7-7 rec w/ opp win% .728


Brady
-reg season 00-09
212-90 td / int
93.4 rtg
63.2% comp
28,487 yds
-playoffs
25-12 td / int
88.5 rtg
62.7% comp
14-3 rec w/ opp win% .779

I may be off + / - a few stats here...however, sure Peyton has it over Brady on some stats. Both players have also been surrounded with good coaches, management & talent for the most part in thier careers. But this clearly proves in the player accomplishments dept as you put it...Brady holds his own to anyone...he's done just fine. My main point is not to really compare the players but to prove Brady has not just been the player along for the ride like you think and is even better when it counts (in the playoffs). Brady's player accomplishments were achieved with not nearly (until recently) the talent of offensive weapons that Peyton has had in his career. I even admit Peyton is the guy right now...playing phenominal. I think you just miss the boat or underestimate just how good Brady is and what he has produced in the past.

You seem to have the best point.Peyton is better on some stats than Brady but Peyton has had offensive weapons on his team when Brady didn't really have one.Like I said Brady has done great when it counts (playoffs and super bowls) so you can say that he a bad QB but Peyton is not either.Both of them are the best QBS there is today.

 

[Matt]

Brady had GREAT teams with GREAT offensive lines and GREAT defenses. Peyton always had good offensive line but his defense has only recently started to be dominant (and I really don't think they're even that good this year). When comparing these two you have to look at playoff stats imo.

The Patriots are documented for cheating. It's easier to win when you know what the other team is about to do.

and yeah Brady had some "third party assistance" as well

 

[muzmaze]

Sure...
both QB's have been surrounded with both overall productive teams and environments...also with flaws and weaknesses. Maybe Brady's place / teams have been a bit more cushier than Peyton's?...so be it...it shouldn't take away anything from any player.

I'll stick to my more recent original points this time around...wich proved 2 things...
1.Brady's player accomplishments are much more greater than some think here...clearly not just there along for the ride and to not fuck things up.

2.To show, even if people consider Peyton better than Brady...have no problem at all with this. I just defused the huge gap in comparison of the two players...its much closer than some people would like to think?

 

[Mort Divine]

And if anyone is going to mention how "LOL WHEN BRADY GOT RANDY MOSS HE PUT UP AN AMAZING SEASON"

FUCK YOU.

Randy Moss was the MVP. HE had the amazing season. Brady can fuck off. That season proved no WR will ever win MVP.

 

[Estellise Sidos Heurassein]

My favorite teams are the Colts, the Saints, the Steelers and the Vikings. I know that it seems like a random bunch of teams to prefer. I do have my reasons for it.

I'm really happy about the fact that the Vikings are doing well this year and because they beat the Packers twice.

 

[AchrisK]

tell us your reasons

 

[Estellise Sidos Heurassein]

I inherited my fandom of two of them from my parents. The other two were acquired from people from school who I've been friends with forever that are like siblings.

 

[Matt]

Randy Moss was the MVP. HE had the amazing season. Brady can fuck off. That season proved no WR will ever win MVP.

Someone's gotta give him the ball

 

[Dak]

Is it really that difficult to give Randy Moss the ball?

 

[Badbird]

And if anyone is going to mention how "LOL WHEN BRADY GOT RANDY MOSS HE PUT UP AN AMAZING SEASON"

FUCK YOU.

Randy Moss was the MVP. HE had the amazing season. Brady can fuck off. That season proved no WR will ever win MVP.

Yes Randy Moss was definitely the MVP of that season.Not saying Brady suck that year because he broke the td record but Moss made most of those touchdowns.