J.
Old Fart
once again goddamn ryan fitzpatrick blows it with a fumble. although andre johnson also had a late fumble.
bring back schaub. all is forgiven
bring back schaub. all is forgiven
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MasterOLightning
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I hope people stop watching Thursday night football. It's truly terrible. I've actually had no problem turning off pro football outside of the games my team is playing. Between the shameful and phony promotion of a shit charity for a whole month (we can only support the sexiest of cancers), godawful officiating (I feel more confident in non-Pac12 college crews to not pull crap out of nowhere), and unlikable players and management/ownership, I'm over it. Peak NFL has happened, and I hope things are on the way down.
I wouldn't watch Thurs night football unless Dallas was playing, and generally don't watch anything but highlights from any non-Dallas game anyway regardless of the day of the week the game is on. I read an article about how basically no one likes or benefits from Thurs night football except some advertisers. It's not even a big fan draw.
The bit about college officiating being better might be a bit much, but the general officiating has been going down hill for some time. I don't know if it is because the game has gotten too fast, the rule book too unwieldy, or any number of other things or combinations thereof. I still don't know why they can't just replace refs on the field with more cameras and eyeballs on those cameras.
The bit about college officiating being better might be a bit much, but the general officiating has been going down hill for some time. I don't know if it is because the game has gotten too fast, the rule book too unwieldy, or any number of other things or combinations thereof. I still don't know why they can't just replace refs on the field with more cameras and eyeballs on those cameras.
crimsonfloyd
Active Member
Thursday Night Football is the highest rated show on Thursday night, so there's no problem with fan draw. Honestly, I don't think the games are super different from other games, I think it's a lot of confirmation bias on the part of fans and pundits.
You need to compare Apples with Apples (Thurs night NFL games with NFL games on other days), and I also usually question how they determine how/what people are watching. Nielsen ratings are complete crap.
crimsonfloyd
Active Member
TNF has higher average ratings than MNF at the moment. It's really not having a problem drawing in fans.
I know the Nielson ratings are imperfect, but do you have an alternative measure you prefer? Is there evidence to support your position that TNF isn't a big fan draw (other than anecdotal evidence)? Because it sure seems like fans are watching...
Baroque
Active Member
My work schedule doesn't allow me to watch TNF and I don't pay the extra 20 a month for NFL network, so I'd be fine if they did away with it.
I prefer MNF and SNF to the daytime Sunday games (but I watch most of them anyway). The reason is the commentators.
MNF has Jon Gruden who actually knows his shit about football and expresses it to the audience. He doesn't hold back about technical info and I enjoy learning more about it.
Al Michaels and Chris Collinsworth are alright too.
The commentators I cannot stand are Troy Aikman and Joe Buck. Seems like they are assigned to my niners for half the damn games too. All they do is make judgement calls 'he's such a good receiver, the opposing team is doing such a good job' with no substance. Plus Aikman was a cowboy from our rivalry days
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I prefer MNF and SNF to the daytime Sunday games (but I watch most of them anyway). The reason is the commentators.
MNF has Jon Gruden who actually knows his shit about football and expresses it to the audience. He doesn't hold back about technical info and I enjoy learning more about it.
Al Michaels and Chris Collinsworth are alright too.
The commentators I cannot stand are Troy Aikman and Joe Buck. Seems like they are assigned to my niners for half the damn games too. All they do is make judgement calls 'he's such a good receiver, the opposing team is doing such a good job' with no substance. Plus Aikman was a cowboy from our rivalry days
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Krigloch the Furious
Pants full of poo
TNF games are on CBS too. So I can watch them over the air in HD. Quite nice.
(not that the games have been any good)
Collinsworth sucks as well as the CBS guys. Just awful!
(not that the games have been any good)
Collinsworth sucks as well as the CBS guys. Just awful!
crimsonfloyd
Active Member
CBS commentators are very vanilla; I don't know how else to put it. It's not like they don't know the game, it's just that their boring in how they present the info.
I think Collinsworth is pretty good; I've never understood the hate for him. Gruden has good insights, but also overhypes way too many second tier players. Christ, he could make Kyle Orton sound like a future Hall of Famer.
I think Collinsworth is pretty good; I've never understood the hate for him. Gruden has good insights, but also overhypes way too many second tier players. Christ, he could make Kyle Orton sound like a future Hall of Famer.
MNF has had trouble recently with providing good matchups. Al Michaels has been the best play-by-play guy since Summerall retired, but Collinsworth is in fact terrible - although it is generally in the nature of color commentators to be terrible.
@CF: No I don't have an alternative measure, because I don't know of any scientific TV viewing rating systems. Just saying "Well it's what we've got" provides exactly zero legitimacy.
@CF: No I don't have an alternative measure, because I don't know of any scientific TV viewing rating systems. Just saying "Well it's what we've got" provides exactly zero legitimacy.
crimsonfloyd
Active Member
That would be true if Nielson was utter nonsense or totally baseless. It's not though. It does fail to account for some factors (i.e. people recording programs and watching them later) but that doesn't make it's data worthless. Certainly more valuable than some random editorial bitching about TNF.
Two words: Selection bias. Never mind how much of a game changer DVRs and web streaming are. I watch almost nothing when it actually airs.
There are a ton of reasons why TNF is no good, which a simple googling will unearth.
There are a ton of reasons why TNF is no good, which a simple googling will unearth.
Jimmy... Dead.
contemplative curmudgeon
Why The NFL Needs To Give Up On Thursday Night Football Once And For All
http://elitedaily.com/sports/nfl-thursday-night-football/785278/
http://elitedaily.com/sports/nfl-thursday-night-football/785278/
crimsonfloyd
Active Member
Explain how it's selection bias, because that's all I'm seeing from the anti-TNF side. Heck, even that article Jimmy posted shows that over the long stretch, TNF has been just as competitive as any other NFL game. People are over-valuing a 5 game sample-size when there are years of evidence showing the games are average with regards to competitiveness. That's the epitome of selection bias. Same thing with penalties and injuries. I've yet to see any evidence that injuries or penalties increase on Thursdays.
Selection bias re: Nielsen ratings. 5000 people who like TV enough to be involved with the ongoing ratings systems are not, in my mind, arguably indicative of the entire rest of the country not participating in such a program - either in terms of what they choose to watch or in terms of how much TV they actually consume.
Whether or not competitiveness or injuries are affected by the different night, players really hate it. I'm surprised you aren't on the players side against the money grubbing NFL execs here.
crimsonfloyd
Active Member
5,000 households is more than enough to reach statistical significance. That's not an issue at all. The only question would be if it is demographically geographically representative of the US population.
Meh. I've heard some players say they enjoy it, especially the "mini-bye" that comes after the game. I've heard other players say they don't like it. Unless you've seen a survey that shows that most players want it gone, then you are again relying on anecdotal evidence, which in turn makes you prone to selection bias.
As for on the field stuff, crazy tie between Carolina and Cincy and heck of a final drive by the Packers.
That's exactly the question I raised, and I'm saying just by the nature of the survey that it isn't.
I googled "players like thursday night games" and got a single return suggesting that they did, and it was a union representative saying that they have anecdotal evidence that players with "good coaches don't mind them".
One return of anonymous neutral feedback doesn't outweigh numerous negative non-anonymous feedback.
I was so pissed at that Carolina/Cincy game. I just wanted it over, instead it cut into the whole first quarter of the Dallas-Seahawks game - which I am going to use to segue into gloating all over the internet - and especially at all the Garrett and Romo hating ignorant ass Cowboys fans. As far as the other haters - Stephen A Smith: Better go buy a Romo Jersey. Babineuax or whoever was on the pregame saying Murray wouldn't break the century mark: Go check the box score. Hey Sherman, how about Dez hanging in the air over your trash talking ass for what seemed like forever, and making the play? How about Romo adding to his current (since '11*)league leading amount of game-winning drives? How about Dan Bailey becoming the most accurate kicker in NFL history? How about the twice retired linebacker just coasting backwards and making an easy pick with the Superbowl winning QB staring down his TE? How about Seattle essentially needing to be spotted 14 points by Dallas Special Teams to even make a game out of it?
Total Domination in the trenches. Dallas out-Seattled Seattle in Seattle. This is exactly what I've been wanting all these years.
Jimmy... Dead.
contemplative curmudgeon
I have to say, the Giants are the NFC team scaring me right now. Hard for Eli to lose the game completing 30 5 yard passes.
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