nihilism and hate in metal

[icilian fenner]

doesn't nihilism stem from the thoery the humans inflect more damage than the are worth?
If so, how can such a selfish, right-wing ideology such as nazism involve such an ultimatly selfless position. I mean, nazis thought that only they mattered, yet many nihilists think that its not us who matter most, considering the damage that we do.

Therefore one is based in selfishness, the other, in giving.....

Furthermore, hate is felt for many different reasons. Those to the right-wing feel hate towards those that might try to 'take' what is 'theirs' by 'right', never aknowleging the damage that their greed, or if they do, never caring about any but themselves. But those to the far left ( like me) would only ever really feel hate towards those who destroy....

but that often translates to very little in my case as my hate is not directed towards people because i don't judge that much. however, dispair and pain both stem from where hate would in those more judgemental.

 

[no country for old wainds]

doesn't nihilism stem from the thoery the humans inflect more damage than the are worth?
If so, how can such a selfish, right-wing ideology such as nazism involve such an ultimatly selfless position. I mean, nazis thought that only they mattered, yet many nihilists think that its not us who matter most, considering the damage that we do.

Therefore one is based in selfishness, the other, in giving.....

Furthermore, hate is felt for many different reasons. Those to the right-wing feel hate towards those that might try to 'take' what is 'theirs' by 'right', never aknowleging the damage that their greed, or if they do, never caring about any but themselves. But those to the far left ( like me) would only ever really feel hate towards those who destroy....

but that often translates to very little in my case as my hate is not directed towards people because i don't judge that much. however, dispair and pain both stem from where hate would in those more judgemental.

Nihilists can surely be linked to national socialism. The world is over-populated by humans and is on its way to self-destruction - that is not up for debate. Both parties feel that killing a few million people to save it is better than us slowly destroying everything. That moral values are insignificant, the whole is important. They believe that some people are inferior to others, and those are the ones who should die. To actually be put into action it has to be based on a stereotype, and many people oppose it for that reason. Of course, some nazis may just be doing it to gain power, out of greed, but hey, they're killing people and helping the planet to survive, so nihilists aren't going to complain.

The view is that if people are destroying this planet, then those people's lives should be taken for the good of the whole. Most of these destructive people are just products of society. Blame is useless and irrelevant. The fact is, everything is going to die unless somebody does something to save it, and killing people may be the only way.

Hatred of this current society is inherent within some genres of metal. So is nihilism.

 

[icilian fenner]

Both parties feel that killing a few million people to save it is better than us slowly destroying everything. That moral values are insignificant, the whole is important. They believe that some people are inferior to others, and those are the ones who should die. To actually be put into action it has to be based on a stereotype, and many people oppose it for that reason. Of course, some nazis may just be doing it to gain power, out of greed, but hey, they're killing people and helping the planet to survive, so nihilists aren't going to complain.

*ahem*

i do complain..
in fact, i feel that the planets survival relys not just on a decreasing in population, but on the attitude of that population to the world in which it live.

novel idea?

if the plant is populated only by those who wish to take for themselves, or have no trouble in killing and judging anything and who think themselves supreme, i don't thonk that this bodes well for the planet.

Furthermore, i care about humans, only i accept we they do more damage than we are worth. If only those who destroy get thier way, then it defys the entire point, and the world would become a wrose place.

i will never thank the nazis for the sluaghter of those more innocent than themselves.

 

[no country for old wainds]

*ahem*

i do complain..
in fact, i feel that the planets survival relys not just on a decreasing in population, but on the attitude of that population to the world in which it live.

novel idea?

You do realise that to implement a system that has such values you first need to do away with the current society? This was our initial problem.

if the plant is populated only by those who wish to take for themselves, or have no trouble in killing and judging anything and who think themselves supreme, i don't thonk that this bodes well for the planet.

Furthermore, i care about humans, only i accept we they do more damage than we are worth. If only those who destroy get thier way, then it defys the entire point, and the world would become a wrose place.

i will never thank the nazis for the sluaghter of those more innocent than themselves.

People who destroy already have their way, Hugh. The world IS becoming a worse place, every day. This is my point. Somebody who is against this destruction needs to act, or all is doomed.

 

[speed]

I thought Malthus was wrong? And you have little faith in humanity, of course if we are faced with life or death, people will finally breakdown and hug trees; its a natural instinct of survival.

Oh and I completely disagree with your views on Nazism. You know Nazism is another form of socialism; the state runs the economy, justice is determined at whim by the state, civil rights are not present; etc etc etc. IF you like to kill whole groups of people for misguided reasons including some neomalthusian thoughts, lose all your rights, and bond yourself to the state- knock yourself out big guy.

 

[no country for old wainds]

I don't like killing under any circumstances, but I can't deny that it sometimes it is necessary.

 

[anonymousnick2001]

I don't think a mass killing is necessary. Or will be ever.

However, if it ever does, it better be random. None of that eugenics shit.

Sometimes, I wish a fucking meteor or something would smash into the Earth or something. Not total annihilation, but a good reminder to people that we are not the fucking kings of the universe. An unbiased Holocaust. Then I have to remind myself that this is dangerous and irrationally wishful thinking.

I hate how millions suffer and die in Asia, Africa, and South America. Sometimes I wish that there was a balance. Again, dangerous thinking.

Therefore, the solution to the problem lies not in nihilism, but in attempting to improve the destitute parts of the world. More than already, I mean. There, no collective thinking, no Holocaust, no eugenics, no loss of morals.

End rant.

 

[speed]

Both of you guys are some serious want to save the world idealists.

How does one improve the third world? ( I am a grad student in econ dev and international development by the way) Free trade and capitalism in most instances do not work in the third world. There is no culture of freedom, nor individualism, nor democracy. The stains of colonialism still are quite present. Besides India and its educated Englsh speaking pop, none of these third world countries offer any comparative advantages besides cheap labor and minimal labor laws.

And why should thw wealth of the world be redistributed? this is a communist idea, obviously the distribution of wealth right now is indictive of how best the market or society can use its resources; sure improvements can be made, but they should only be made to get resources to the groups and individuals that can use them most effectively.

 

[Stormwatch]

Speed I thought you were a law student. How many subjects are you studying? How many fuckin jobs are you planning on getting!

 

[speed]

Damn, I am tickled that someone remembers. Yeah i quit law school last year- i hated it, and my grades sucked anyway, so there was no reason putting myself in eternal debt (30grand a year)and not get a job like many of my law school friends. So I applied to grad school, and got a full scholarship. It sucks too, but i am determined to complete it, and as a bonus I get to spend my entire summer in Greece working with a collection of architects, economists, and urban planners, from my university ( Univ of Cincinnati- somehow we are the number one school in architecture in America, and one of the top in Urban planning) and harvard, with the greek government on sustainable development in Santorini and Crete. So, I am pretty pumped about that.

SO how about u takingthemusicback, what are you up to? I'd love to know.

 

[CountSorion]

Well if you consider the fact that world war 3 is coming up sooner than you might think.. Atleast a part of the problem is solved...

*cough* oil crises

 

[speed]

Ill give bush some credit, however clumsily, he has secured our oil supply for the next 30 years, by taking over Afhganistan to get to the Central Asian Oil, and by taking over the Iraqi oil fields. I read that the price per gallon would have to be upwards of 80 dollars( others say 30 dollars) for americans to change our ways of transportation.

 

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General Music Discussion

 

[Ginja_Ninja]

there is no such thing as "national socialism" and "communism"

both are just an extreme version of capitalism, sure, "redistributing wealth" sounds pretty awesome, but can it be put into practice? has history proven otherwise? hell no!

national socialism just give ppl disillusioned ideas and concepts just so that hatemongers can bloody well 1) be part of something, a sense of belonging 2) false sense of security 3)most ppl don't understand the full meaning of national socialism, ppl seem to mistaken the idea that by having negative feelings towards certain ethnic groups in itself qualifies as "NS"

what a load of dogshit

 

[anonymousnick2001]

there is no such thing as "national socialism" and "communism"

both are just an extreme version of capitalism, sure, "redistributing wealth" sounds pretty awesome, but can it be put into practice? has history proven otherwise? hell no!

That's a pretty astute observation. I never looked at it that way.

Both of you guys are some serious want to save the world idealists.

Not really. I do see myself as idealistic(better than cynical), and that doesn't make me ignorant. I guess I can say the same for Guardian.

I never said that the third world should be aided through global socialism. Perhaps national socialism or communism until economic recovery, and then a conversion to capitalism. But i didn't mean that we should take from the rich countries to give to the poor.

I said I wished something nihilistic would happen sometimes, but it is unrealistic and foolish to wish so.

 

[no country for old wainds]

I don't think a mass killing is necessary. Or will be ever.

However, if it ever does, it better be random. None of that eugenics shit.

Eugenics would be far more efficient. There's no point having loads of stupid people left to just fuck everything up again.

 

[icilian fenner]

samot....hear me.
and all of you hear me...
this a resources issue. If a lot of people die, then there will be more resources left for those who live. therefore, unless those people feel a moral obligation to take as little as possible, the remaining people will just grow their population , and take as much form the earth as possible. Ergo, the killing of many people will probably do nothing for the earth unless those left are a bunch of far left greenists.
However, as with capital punisment, it is usually arrogance that leads to the will to take lives. this arrogance and self-rightousness will lead to the same attitudes that makes many humans and religion so dangerous. Only a solution born of care or nature will ever see the and of the harm we wrought upon this earth.

Thankyou, and good night.

 

[no country for old wainds]

samot....hear me.
and all of you hear me...
this a resources issue. If a lot of people die, then there will be more resources left for those who live. therefore, unless those people feel a moral obligation to take as little as possible, the remaining people will just grow their population , and take as much form the earth as possible. Ergo, the killing of many people will probably do nothing for the earth unless those left are a bunch of far left greenists.
However, as with capital punisment, it is usually arrogance that leads to the will to take lives. this arrogance and self-rightousness will lead to the same attitudes that makes many humans and religion so dangerous. Only a solountion born of care or nature will ever see the and of the harm we wrought upon this earth.

Thankyou, and good night.

Spelling my name backwards is gay.

Note that I said "somebody who is against this destruction needs to act, or all is doomed." A greenist. That person/group will surely dispose of the parasites and will form a new society in which greenism is of great value.

People should be willing to die for this cause.

Why did you say goodnight when it's 1.25pm?

 

[icilian fenner]

because it was an ownige arguement, fool.

My point is that if a greenist fails to appectiate the beauty that humans are capable of, and is so self assured that he would kill so much...then he( or she) will most likely herald an age of hate, conflict and no peace.....

furthermore(what a great conjunctive), destruction cannot counter destruction without the ethoes of destruction living on

 

[no country for old wainds]

But again, most humans are incapable of beauty at this moment because they're enslaved by this society.

The fact is Hugh, that people now rely on certain comforts. You can't succeed in teaching them new values like you suggested. It's like converting a Christian to Atheism, it rarely happens. Some people would actually rather die than give up those comforts - even for such a blatantly more important cause.