Non-metal influences/favorites

[LuminousAether]

You´ve said tons of bands. For adding any new one, it´s difficult but I´d go with:

70´s rock/hard rock: The most you´ve talked (specially Rush, the greatest) plus Thin Lizzy, Grand Funk, Neil Young (in his rockiest side, not too much into folk), Uriah Heep, Nazareth...

American rock: Tom Petty just brilliant.

Southern rock: Blackfoot, The Outlaws, Molly Hatchet, Lynyrd Skynyrd, Raging Slab.

"New age"/Ethnic: Dead Can Dance and Loreena McKennit (she plays in Spain next week and I´ll drive 4 hours to see her).

Punk rock: Not too much. The Ramones, The Clash (first 3 albums) and Bad Religion trilogy ("No control", "Suffer" and "Against the grain")

Dark/rock/gothic/... from the 21st century: Klimt 1918 (listen "Dopoguerra" the album never U2 had the talent to compose)

Sung in Spanish: Let me recommend you a spanish rock band. Heroes del Silencio. If there´s any geman/italian in this forum maybe he´ll know them. They splitted in 1996 but they are back now and do 10 dates over 10 world in october (for instance in L.A. Forum Inglewood). Please, check "Senderos de traición" or "El espíritu del vino". I´m not too much into spanish sung bands but they´re over the top. Among the best bands fro the first part of the 90´s.

I guess I forgot millions but I´ll write them later.

Dopoguerra is an awesome album. If you like that one, check out the bands dredg, Mew, and Kaddisfly. You might find something you enjoy.

www.purevolume.com/dredg
www.purevolume.com/mew
www.purevolume.com/kaddisfly

Also, I'm familiar with Heroes del Silencio but not that well. I'm more a fan of music in Portuguese than Spanish for some reason.

 

[AlexGuinness]

Queen were my first ever favourite band. The first record I bought was "A Night At The Opera" when I was about 9 (so some 8 years after its release).

I would be interested to hear the thoughts on the music of Valensia (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valensia for more information). I only own 2 of his albums, one being the brilliant "Queen Tribute album".

Before accepting metal into my life, the 80s were mainly things like -

All About Eve
Bauhaus
Bolshoi
The Cult
The Cure
Echo and the Bunnymen
Fields Of The Nephilim
Jesus and Mary Chain
Killing Joke
The Mission
New Model Army (still my favourite band to this day and have been for the last 22 years)
Pop Will Eat Itself
Sisters Of Mercy
Zodiac Mindwarp and the Love Reaction.

The last band that made a massive impact on me was Porcupine Tree (thanks to Opeth). That is an expensive discovery for any collector. Really looking forward to seeing John Wesley's solo stuff as support for PT live next month too.

Some of the best prog-rock at the moment seems to be coming from Poland. Riverside are so impressive, Indukti need to be heard as well. I would be grateful for any recommendations in this area too!

Fantastic to see references to Antimatter, Paatos, Karl Sanders (Saurian Meditation is a great album to fall asleep to - in the best possible way), Tenhi and several of the others. Far too often no-one here has heard of these bands.

There are also some massive musical heroes, some with many strings to their bows...

Dan Swanö (the reason I found ND in the first place - a genuis)
Arjen Lucassen
Devin Townsend
Ed Alleyne-Johnson

 

[AlexGuinness]

Yeah, but all the negative put downs come from the brittish prick. America laughs at it, so it gets the highest ratings on American Television. I watch the show. I enjoy hearing the talent. I disagree with a lot of the way it's run, but I'd rather watch something music related on TV, then another "friends" sitcom.

Here, here.

When we heard he was taking the show to the States, several people commented on the fact that his approach and the US gun culture could rid us of him.

He makes an absolute fortune from these shows.

 

[NvmbrsDoom5]

Queen were my first ever favourite band. The first record I bought was "A Night At The Opera" when I was about 9 (so some 8 years after its release).

I would be interested to hear the thoughts on the music of Valensia (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valensia for more information). I only own 2 of his albums, one being the brilliant "Queen Tribute album".

Before accepting metal into my life, the 80s were mainly things like -

All About Eve
Bauhaus
Bolshoi
The Cult
The Cure
Echo and the Bunnymen
Fields Of The Nephilim
Jesus and Mary Chain
Killing Joke
The Mission
New Model Army (still my favourite band to this day and have been for the last 22 years)
Pop Will Eat Itself
Sisters Of Mercy
Zodiac Mindwarp and the Love Reaction.

Most of the bands you mentioned are favorites of mine. I really love the music of the '80s, mainly from that new wave/new romantic/alternative scene, or whatever you want to call it. A majority of the time I'm listening to bands like The Cure, Echo and the Bunnymen, Sisters of Mercy, Joy Division, Siouxsie and the Banshees, Kate Bush, Duran Duran, and so on. I will sit online and listen to the New Wave station on Aol Radio for hours, seriously.

To be quite honest, I don't really listen to very much metal anymore, at least not on the scale that I did when I was in my teens or early twenties. Now and then I am lucky enough to be turned on to a great new band like Woods of Ypres that really clicks with me, but that's more of a rarity now. In terms of heavy music, the bands that I am most likely to be listening to are bands like...

Carcass, Voivod, Celtic Frost, Type O Negative, Katatonia, Woods of Ypres, Moonspell, Black Sabbath, Amorphis, Acid Bath, Death, Morbid Angel, Pestilence, Entombed, Gorefest, Iron Maiden, Judas Priest, Kataklysm, Opeth, Pantera, Ozzy (particularly 1980-1984 era), At The Gates, Pyogenesis, Phlebotomized, Twisted Sister, Venom, .....

Those are bands who I listen to on a fairly regular basis. As you can see, most of them are older. It's not that I'm closed-minded to hearing new metal as I'm always interested in checking things out, I just don't get grabbed by much of it anymore....I guess I'm just getting old, lol. Some bands like Mastodon, Thurisaz, Arsis and a handful of others have definitely sparked my interest lately though.

In terms of doom or doom-related music, there's truly not much that I care for. Trouble and Candlemass are two huge favorites of mine and have been for a long time. I loved Winter, the "Into Darkness" album was a big one for me. I enjoy some Sleep, St. Vitus, Witchfinder General, and Pentegram. Ironically I'm not a huge listener of the doom-death bands. I was more intrigued with this style back in the early '90s when I started playing this kind of music and used to trade demos with bands like MDB and Anathema, and used to enjoy stuff like "Lost Paradise" and "Gothic". I still have plenty of respect for all that stuff, but it's not something I often get interested in hearning these days.

My biggest influences came from bands from the late '60s and the '70s, really. Led Zeppelin, The Beatles, Black Sabbath, Deep Purple, Thin Lizzy, Fleetwood Mac, Queen, Captain Beyond, Rainbow, Kiss, Cheap Trick, Boston, Journey, Yes, Genesis, Alice Cooper, King Crimson, The Ramones, The Byrds, The Box Tops, The Hollies, The Doors, The Small Faces, Stooges, Bowie, and many more. Next to the new wave stuff, this music is what I listen to most often and still find alot of inspiration from.

It's funny because as I've mentioned before, so many people miss the mark when they presume what we're influenced by. There've been songs I've written where the reviews will constantly cite the British doom-death influences as being "so apparent" whereas in fact there's little truth to that comparison. I can't tell you how many times I've said "actually that's an idea I got from listening to Pink Floyd 'Meddle" or "that riff was totally lifted from Black Sabbath "Sabotage" or Deep Purple "Burn" etc., but you put death growls over it and a detuned guitar sound and people presume that we just want to be British doomsters, LOL. I think it's more of a case where those guys just happen to be influenced in the same ways as we are. We are all about the same age and surely we grew up with many of the same influences, I would guess. I mean, listening to Danny Cavanaugh play guitar, or Mike Ackerfeldt sing and play, I can guess that they too are pretty inspired by David Gilmour too, yknow?

Speaking of, my biggest guitar influences would have to be-

David Gilmour, Brian May, Ace Frehley, Mike Bruce & Glen Buxton (Alice Cooper Band), Scott Gorham (Thin Lizzy), Lars (Candlemass), Rick & Bruce (Trouble), Marco Pirroni (Adam Ant), Robert Smith (The Cure), George Harrison, Jimmy Page, Scott Ian, James Hetfield, Ritchie Blackmore, and Tony Iommi.

 

[dan of bereavement]

Most of the bands you mentioned are favorites of mine. I really love the music of the '80s, mainly from that new wave/new romantic/alternative scene, or whatever you want to call it. A majority of the time I'm listening to bands like The Cure, Echo and the Bunnymen, Sisters of Mercy, Joy Division, Siouxsie and the Banshees, Kate Bush, Duran Duran, and so on. I will sit online and listen to the New Wave station on Aol Radio for hours, seriously.

To be quite honest, I don't really listen to very much metal anymore, at least not on the scale that I did when I was in my teens or early twenties. Now and then I am lucky enough to be turned on to a great new band like Woods of Ypres that really clicks with me, but that's more of a rarity now. In terms of heavy music, the bands that I am most likely to be listening to are bands like...

Carcass, Voivod, Celtic Frost, Type O Negative, Katatonia, Woods of Ypres, Moonspell, Black Sabbath, Amorphis, Acid Bath, Death, Morbid Angel, Pestilence, Entombed, Gorefest, Iron Maiden, Judas Priest, Kataklysm, Opeth, Pantera, Ozzy (particularly 1980-1984 era), At The Gates, Pyogenesis, Phlebotomized, Twisted Sister, Venom, .....

Those are bands who I listen to on a fairly regular basis. As you can see, most of them are older. It's not that I'm closed-minded to hearing new metal as I'm always interested in checking things out, I just don't get grabbed by much of it anymore....I guess I'm just getting old, lol. Some bands like Mastodon, Thurisaz, Arsis and a handful of others have definitely sparked my interest lately though.

In terms of doom or doom-related music, there's truly not much that I care for. Trouble and Candlemass are two huge favorites of mine and have been for a long time. I loved Winter, the "Into Darkness" album was a big one for me. I enjoy some Sleep, St. Vitus, Witchfinder General, and Pentegram. Ironically I'm not a huge listener of the doom-death bands. I was more intrigued with this style back in the early '90s when I started playing this kind of music and used to trade demos with bands like MDB and Anathema, and used to enjoy stuff like "Lost Paradise" and "Gothic". I still have plenty of respect for all that stuff, but it's not something I often get interested in hearning these days.

My biggest influences came from bands from the late '60s and the '70s, really. Led Zeppelin, The Beatles, Black Sabbath, Deep Purple, Thin Lizzy, Fleetwood Mac, Queen, Captain Beyond, Rainbow, Kiss, Cheap Trick, Boston, Journey, Yes, Genesis, Alice Cooper, King Crimson, The Ramones, The Byrds, The Box Tops, The Hollies, The Doors, The Small Faces, Stooges, Bowie, and many more. Next to the new wave stuff, this music is what I listen to most often and still find alot of inspiration from.

It's funny because as I've mentioned before, so many people miss the mark when they presume what we're influenced by. There've been songs I've written where the reviews will constantly cite the British doom-death influences as being "so apparent" whereas in fact there's little truth to that comparison. I can't tell you how many times I've said "actually that's an idea I got from listening to Pink Floyd 'Meddle" or "that riff was totally lifted from Black Sabbath "Sabotage" or Deep Purple "Burn" etc., but you put death growls over it and a detuned guitar sound and people presume that we just want to be British doomsters, LOL. I think it's more of a case where those guys just happen to be influenced in the same ways as we are. We are all about the same age and surely we grew up with many of the same influences, I would guess. I mean, listening to Danny Cavanaugh play guitar, or Mike Ackerfeldt sing and play, I can guess that they too are pretty inspired by David Gilmour too, yknow?

Speaking of, my biggest guitar influences would have to be-

David Gilmour, Brian May, Ace Frehley, Mike Bruce & Glen Buxton (Alice Cooper Band), Scott Gorham (Thin Lizzy), Lars (Candlemass), Rick & Bruce (Trouble), Marco Pirroni (Adam Ant), Robert Smith (The Cure), George Harrison, Jimmy Page, Scott Ian, James Hetfield, Ritchie Blackmore, and Tony Iommi.

It's weird, And I understand and appreciate your oppinion. However what's weird, and I am not singling you out or saying that you even said this, But most people basically say that the Death/Doom scene died in the 90's when basically it started in the ninteys and to me has just really been picking up(though one of the smalles sub generes out there) Anyhow, being of that genere and lots of my favorite bands being also drawn from that pool, I don't understand how that is like past tense, when that is when death metal also started and sort of died as well. Ironically enough, when you were playing what I play now, I was playing what you play now. My old band played straight up old school death metal in the 90 to 94-ish period, we(Mourndrear) did some demo stuff and broke up to do December Wolves and Shroud Of Bereavement . Ha ha.

 

[NvmbrsDoom5]

I don't think the doom/death scene ever "died out" at all, to be honest. It's pretty much as strong and as populated as it ever was, and actually there's probably more bands now than ever that are treading that water really. All I'm saying is that it's generally not a kind of music I listen to very much anymore. Even the older albums like "Gothic" or "Angel and the Dark River", I still think they're good albums but it's not something I listen to much anymore. I still have alot of respect for it, and I have alot of respect for bands like yours that play this style of music, and I enjoy your band. But in context of what I was saying in my previous post, whereas I listen to doom/death only on occasion, there are other styles of music which tend to be more constantly in rotation in my cd player, that's all.

I think the only reason people say doom/death "died" in the early '90s was because it was a bit more high profile at the time, especially in the U.S., as compared to now. Bands like Paradise Lost and Cathedral and My Dying Bride were touring here and getting much more press, and had bigger record deals at the time, and the genre was sort of new and fresh at the time so it garnered more attention. But it's never gone away.

And for the record, both Paul and I were playing what you play now, so to speak, back in 91. But I was also playing in technical death-thrash bands back then as well. (At one point I was playing simultaneously in three or four different kinds of bands....ah, youth!) Yknow I don't mind that people acknowledge our doom/death metal past and influences it's only when people presume that it's all that we're influenced by, when especially in my case, it makes up so small of a percentage of what I'm influenced by. And what we're doing these days with albums like TPHD and TNR is really just giving more attention to those other influences that we had back then.

Anyhow, I agree with you that people shouldn't say doom or doom/death is dead and passe', I think it can be as relevant as ever especially to those who really enjoy that scene. It's only for me personally that I am not drawn towards it as much as I once was, which is a case of my own tastes evolving or changing, not so much any fault of the scene itself.

 

[dan of bereavement]

Yeah yeah man, I wasn't accusing you at all, hope you didn't think that. Just brought up that topic in my head. I was reading terrorizer the other day and they said the whole death/doom/goth whatever scene died in the 90's and just something that I have been hearing a lot lately. We usually get called MDB rip offs and people say that we should play something that isn't dead. lol. Honestly we are kinda pigionholed like you guys a lot. I think we have a lot more going on musically (not in a conceided way) and have faster tempos then the bands we get compaired to. It's hard for any band that is in between generes really. I think ND are a cross genere and that's why I like the band so much. I do hear some d/d influence from time to time, but basically everything one can imagine has been done in music, so we are all bound to sound similar to something...there are only 12 notes and only so much you can do with them lol. Either way man, my horns go for to you \m/

 

[NvmbrsDoom5]

We'll always have death/doom in our sound as it is definitely a part of us. I may not listen to it much anymore but it's still fun to play, just not ALL the time

People are so shortsighted, I can't believe they'd tell you guys something so retarded as to "play music that isnt dead." For one thing, you should play what you love to play regardless of whether it's in fashion or not. Secondly, I can remember back when Joe and I were playing in our old band during the mid-nineties, and people kept telling us we were wasting our time because we were playing this technical progressive deathy-thrash......and yet lo and behold, what we were doing then is exactly what is trendy and popular in metal these days. So the lesson there is, pay no attention to trends and shortsighted fools who follow them. Stick to your guns and play what you love, because not only will you get the most fullfillment from doing that, but chances are also good that eventually other people will come around and start to appreciate it too.

Besides, it's better to be a band who stand out in a lesser-known subgenre, than to be one of 100,000 bands out there who're doing the exact same thing because it's trendy and popular.

 

[dan of bereavement]

True that. Speaking of gayness and short sited people check this out where some local fuck talks shit about Shroud and ND along with PL Anathema and MDB in one swoope!!! Worst part is I know who they are and they are back stabbing pretentious assholes.


chimerstry 说...

2007年 3月 3日, 13:27 Updated 3/3/07
Added:

Shroud of Bereavement - Alone Beside Her (3/10, this record was kind of a bitch to review since I personally know some of the members of the band, some of them are from my own town in fact, and they are nice guys, but I have to approach this with 100% honesty. This is a gothic/doom metal band, influenced by stuff like early Anathema, My Dying Bride, Theatre of Tragedy, etc. Like a lot of the newer bands in this style, they try to marry the gothic doom with female vocals. Fairy vocals, that are often singing as a duet with the growling vox. This is extremely annoying here, and basically what you end up with is a growl part with simple doom guitars, then piano break with girl singing/talking, and so forth. Now, some of these songs are like 12-16 minutes long, and some of them are many years old though they seem to have been tweaked. Honestly, you should not be writing a song that long if you can't at least support it with some interesting material. In the end, this is another goth/doom-derived snoozefest kind of like the new November's Doom record. These guys work hard at this, they have been doing it for years, playing shows, getting releases out there, spreading the gospel...but there is no reason for me to even listen to this again when I could listen to Draconian or another similar band that is so much better. I'll put it simply: if you worship In Velvet Darkness They Fear to a fault, and anything that sounds even remotely similar, then you might just like this. Fairy vocals, plenty of keyboards, some violins, and pretty much nothing here that makes me feel remotely doomed, which is what I like to hear, in, you know, doom...)

There is a lot more, I will just post the Link and anyone can check it if they like. Perfect example of shortsighted right there. We really sound worlds apart IMHO, but apperently, This fuck thinks differently, Obviously because of his superior insight and overwelming knowledge in music. (his band rips off Pestilence and Kreator) whatever!

http://209.85.165.104/search?q=cache:geiEMWMO3RMJ:cn.last.fm/group/Penny%2BArcade%2BMetal%2BThread/forum/33967/_/235960/5+shroud+of+bereavement+alone+beside+her&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=39&gl=us