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rocklobster

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Those 2 albums are pretty much all i listen to lately...wierd, huh. I don't mean the only Opeth stuff i listen to, i mean the only music.

But i must say old Opeth stuff is quite amazing. I've always liked it, but now i'm listening to it all the time and every time i hear it i like it more. Anyone else like the older stuff too?? I rarely hear people mention it at all for some reason.
 
Well...Orchid and Morningrise is good stuff for sure but not their best IMO. I really like My Arms, Your Hearse though. I guess that's considered earlier stuff. I will say that To Bid you Farewell is probably up there on my favorite song list.
 
The older stuff is amazing indeed. Maybe their technical skills were not at the same level as today, but they were creative and passionate as young people tend to be, and that can be heard from those albums. Another reason why those albums were that good, was because they had develeloped all those musical ideas for 7 years or something.
 
WeepingMoon said:
if they re-recorded orchid and morningrise, i think those albums would be accepted by more people as their best albums. imo
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i don't get it

a lot of people don't think as highly of them because they're random puzzle-piece riffs and sections thrown together in very non-transitional ways... you'll be in the middle of a song, the music will stop, then another riff or arrangement unrelated in any way to what you just heard comes in... as if it was the beginning of a new song, but it's not... there's no rhyme or reason to any of it... the riffs and arrangements themselves also start sounding the same after awhile... it's like all the sections of all the songs are completely interchangable... it's too immature

"My Arms, Your Hearse" was an incredible step forward
 
well i love the first two albums, but i stray from listening to it as much as I would like to because of the mixing and recording. also mikaels growl had not hit its peak yet, imo. the music on the other hand is outstanding cuz I like music that shifts all the time and keeps u listening.
 
WeepingMoon said:
the music on the other hand is outstanding cuz I like music that shifts all the time and keeps u listening.
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everyone would say they like that too... the only problem I have is that the music on Orchid and Morningrise doesn't "shift" as much as it simply stops, and then starts again with something unrelated, regardless of whether it's in the same song or not
 
i think a couple of years of my life can safely be summed up by the question "which Opeth album should I listen to?"

i'm very, very fucking glad i got over that phase. there are so many different, and to me, crazily better bands out there, and now i can listen to them too :loco:
 
WeepingMoon said:
well, lol thats what i meant when i said the word shifts.. sort of. :p mood shift, becuz is stops and starts up again totally different.

it blows your mind. lol
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I don't exactly know how it's mind blowing to hear an acoustic section stop in the middle of Black Rose Immortal followed by 3 seconds of silence and then another random acoustic riff beginning... nothing related to a "mood shift" there... just immature and lackluster song construction, something Mike definitely overcame with MAYH

"mood shifts" are performed and executed better on every album after Morningrise
 
Yes, the first two albums lack such transitions that are present on their later releases, but I don't consider it a problem. Good music can also be made without such things as transitions. Actually it might make the music even harsher and more dramatic when there are no transitions softening the gaps between death and mellow parts.
Still Life, which is my favourite Opeth album along with Orchid has perfect transitions and perfect music overall. That is another way to make music and it's good, but if we compare Orchid and SL in sheer brutality, Orchid beats the hell out of SL, mostly because the transitions soften the latter's sound.
 
well the mind blowing part was a joke mostly :p sarcastic

it seems immature music i guess, but it's better than some music being made by artists of similar age at the time.

the albums that followed have smoother transitions and such, but i still think that the basis and ideas of the first two albums were solid, and if they reworked them a tiny bit and re-record, they'd be better albums as a whole.
 
@=NoBigDeal=@ said:
Yes, the first two albums lack such transitions that are present on their later releases, but I don't consider it a problem. Good music can also be made without such things as transitions. Actually it might make the music even harsher and more dramatic when there are no transitions softening the gaps between death and mellow parts.
Still Life, which is my favourite Opeth album along with Orchid has perfect transitions and perfect music overall. That is another way to make music and it's good, but if we compare Orchid and SL in sheer brutality, Orchid beats the hell out of SL, mostly because the transitions soften the latter's sound.
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has nothing to do with what we're talking about

hard music fades well at 8:53 into Mikael singing alone into a section that begins off of the harmony of Mikaek's vocals... then it fades out into a short second of silence... then a random acoustic part comes in...

11:53... fades out into silence... a random acoustic part comes in

Black Rose Immortal
14:45, acoustic part ends into silence... 14:49, a random acoustic part comes in ...

a good transition at 16:37 from soft into heavy... rockin, solo, etc.

then 17:25... the music stops into silence for several seconds... then another random acoustic riff comes in .........

there's nothing "neat" about any of it... you get the same feeling when one song ends and when another begins... surely you've heard songs with more than one song on it before :zombie: ... Black Rose Immortal feels like what would be musically 3 or 4 completely separate tracks... you wouldn't be able to tell it's the same song without looking at the track number on your CD player display even if you were actively paying attention to it the whole way through
 
House of Seance said:
i don't get it

a lot of people don't think as highly of them because they're random puzzle-piece riffs and sections thrown together in very non-transitional ways... you'll be in the middle of a song, the music will stop, then another riff or arrangement unrelated in any way to what you just heard comes in... as if it was the beginning of a new song, but it's not... there's no rhyme or reason to any of it... the riffs and arrangements themselves also start sounding the same after awhile... it's like all the sections of all the songs are completely interchangable... it's too immature

"My Arms, Your Hearse" was an incredible step forward
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Totally agreed. I really enjoy both albums, and feel they were excellent introductions to the band...but on top of the recording quality (Morningrise mainly), the songs do not flow very well.

But once again, being that those were their first two albums, I'm still damn impressed.
 
The poor transitions don't ruin it for me, understandable how it would for others, but these two are still in my top 3 opeth albums. I like mike's more black metallish growls, the twin guitar harmonies etc. BUT, the best thing these albums have to offer is the solos (orchid mostly i guess). The one on UTM just slays me. My favourite opeth riffs are also found on songs like Twilight, fave acoustic passages on night and silent and BRI.

Plus I love johan's bass work and Anders double bass kicks.

I find i'm getting the most replay value out of these two albums, just because of the amount of material on them, little to no repetitiveness exists on either album.
 
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