OT: Some Anti-Bush Fun!

[DELIRI0US N0MAD]

Can you be more ingorant than that?? Are u sitting watching cnn all day telling you lies and you believe it all?? Do u realyy believe that Bush went to Iraq and Afganistan to chase terrorists??The family of this stupid murderer that you think he is a great president has done business with the laden family years before!! How old are u?? 14?? Do u know what?? American ordinary people are cool and nice people but the rest of the world will result in bashing against because of your stupid president and braindead people voting for him! Do u know that many people suffer from cancer in Yoguslavia and in nothern Greece because another great president named Bill used rockets with heads of alloy of plutonium in order to achieve greater penetration?? And there u were told that your army was to supposed to help the conflict there.. :Smug: And i wont refer to even more examples because i will to sad! Make us a favor and commit suicide...! This is the least u can do for the rest of humanity!!! You and your stupid president..

I can't, but you can.
If you knew anything, you'd be dangerous.
CNN? You mean the Communist News Network?
What planet are you on? They are so blatantly anti-Bush it's funny.
Yes. The USA has helped Bin Laden in the past. "The enemy of my enemy is my friend" and the Soviet Union was a much greater enemy at the time. We were helping stop the spread of communism. You sound as though you are from across the pond, so I'd think you would understand the significance of that, but maybe you're not old enough to understand.
Bash Clinton all you want. I'm not a Clinton apologist. Those of us that paid attention knew that Clinton was only diverting attention from his domestic problems. It was CNN that loved Clinton......and nobody watches CNN over here anymore.
Please, please give more examples. It only helps your arguement and makes you look more intelligent.:Spin: .........not.
I would love to take your advice and "commit suicide...for the rest of humanity", but then I couldn't be here to straighten out immature, ignorant people such as yourself.

As I said in another post:
Maybe you should be rethinking who the real enemy is.

Rock on.

 

[DELIRI0US N0MAD]

Stop watching cnn you ignorant.. Moore must have destroyed your dream world that u r still try to live in and propably u r pissed off. Politicians sucks all the way kid! Grow up and face the truth.. if it was not for oil then what was it for..? To punish the terorrists??? (Those who had inside info how to attack the twin towers..?). Just wake up!!! The guy, whether he was told or not, has contributed to the death of thousands of innocent people!!!

I'm not the one that's pissed off. I'm not the one with all of the exclamation points and derogatory language.
My debates are logical and to the point.
I am perfectly at ease debating the likes of you.....and happy to do so at 14 years old.

I'm not the one that needs to wake up.
War is not easy, but sometimes is necessary.

 

[ZeeZooZum]

Terrible analogy.
What did any of those guys do that were truly great?
I don't think anyone was ever out there claiming these were presidents of any accomplishment.

A better analogy would be Ronald Reagan.
All the same people were saying all the same things that they're saying about Bush, to Reagan.
History has shown Reagan, like it or not, to be one of the greatest presidents that we've ever had.

That same history will look upon Bush as a controversial, but great, president.
:Spin:

Sorry, but this is where is obvious that you are silly fanatic of right wing ideology. Wilson and Nixon are important Presidents. You have heard of the 14 points? The creation of several of nation-states post WWI following the collapse of Empire?

And Nixon went to China, an important event that help further the decline of the Soviet Union over anything Regan did. By the time Regan came along, The Soviet Union has already in decline

History doesn't end and begin with Regan and Bush. You want to support him. Fine. Enjoy. At least get some historical perspective on the issue, or stop thinking you can predict the future. It's silly to think how history will judge Bush in either direction at this point.

And remember to dodge the bombs on the 25th, because apparently there is some kind of war on Christmas

 

[DELIRI0US N0MAD]

Sorry, but this is where is obvious that you are silly fanatic of right wing ideology. Wilson and Nixon are important Presidents. You have heard of the 14 points? The creation of several of nation-states post WWI following the collapse of Empire?

And Nixon went to China, an important event that help further the decline of the Soviet Union over anything Regan did. By the time Regan came along, The Soviet Union has already in decline

History doesn't end and begin with Regan and Bush. You want to support him. Fine. Enjoy. At least get some historical perspective on the issue, or stop thinking you can predict the future. It's silly to think how history will judge Bush in either direction at this point.

And remember to dodge the bombs on the 25th, because apparently there is some kind of war on Christmas

Never said they weren't "important" presidents.

Yes. I'll give you that.
Nixon opened up China. Some would argue that wasn't a good thing.
I don't think that is up on the world stage as any kind of "great accomplishment", which is what I was referring to. I guess it could be debated.
I also don't think he was ever considered by many as a great historical president.

Nixon's policies were much more liberal than most people know.
True, the Soviet Union did have problems before Reagan, however, without Reagan, the Soviet Union would never have fallen.

Agree or not, would you argue that Reagan has not gone down as one of our greatest presidents?
I don't think anyone can argue that point and he was berated as much, if not more, than Bush.

And I think it's fine to try to predict the future. We all do it every day.
Besides, everyone else seems to think he'd be the worst, I'm just balance. :Spin:

 

[lokey]

Yes....that's it....Bush is controlled by the evil senate. You watch too much Star Wars. The US Senate are a bunch of spineless wimps that oppose Bush every chance they get when it suits their re-election chances.

### i am yet to see the first three star wars flicks in full, seen bits of the first and a couple of figths in the second.... just havent been into it at all........if they are about senates influencing people tho my interest in them wanes even more

 

[DELIRI0US N0MAD]

### i am yet to see the first three star wars flicks in full, seen bits of the first and a couple of figths in the second.... just havent been into it at all........if they are about senates influencing people tho my interest in them wanes even more

Actually, it has more to do with a specific senator that snakes his way into being the leader of the senate. Then he makes himself Emperor and has complete control over the senate and uses them as his puppets.
He eventually dissolves the senate and creates local governors to keep the local star systems in line.

OK...maybe I watch too much Star Wars!

So my comments about you watching too much Star Wars really doesn't apply because the analogy is flawed. I just wanted to use Star Wars in the post.

You really should see them, though.
Good flicks.

 

[whitey131]

So much inaccuracy...so little time.
Just a few....
Yes. Bush said Iraq had WMD......along with Bill Clinton, France, Russia, Germany, the UN, and even the Security Council. Guess they all lied.

Most of the hijackers were not from Egypt, they were from Saudi Arabia. Bin Laden purposely did that to make them look bad since Saudi Arabia kicked him out of their country and is allied with the US. Note to Bin Laden: It didn't work.

We went into Afghanistan because that is where Bin Laden and Al Qaida are concentrated. The Taliban actively supported and harbored them. Yes, Al Qaida has members all over the world, but that was their home.

Of course we treat North Korea very differently. They ALREADY HAVE nuclear weapons (thanks Bill Clinton). The Iraq and North Korean situations are two very different situations that must be handled totally different.

PS - Just because you don't hear of anything going on with North Korea doesn't mean it's being ignored.

Alterior motives for the war? Maybe, but it is not for oil. Better than that....Our ultimate enemy ever since Jimmy Carter let the Shaw of Iran be taken over by Islamic terrorists, Iran has been one of the most, if not THE most, long term problems for us. Slap a democracy in Afghanistan and one in Iraq.....what's in the middle?.....Iran. Not just an Iran, but an Iran that has a majority of their population as young adults that actually LIKE the USA. Put democracies (or something similar) on each side of Iran and we may never have to do anything with Iran. The people of Iran will be doing it themselves.
I say "BRILLIANT" move.

Not that it matters. People like you are not going to be happy with anything Bush does. If Bush sits back and negotiates with Iran and they hit us or Israel, you will be the first one saying Bush "did nothing". If he were to get aggressive and take them out, you'd be the first one saying he should have negotiated.

I believe that history will show Bush to be one of the greatest presidents ever.

Again. Only time will tell.

So, do they keep your chin warm?

 

[jdelpi]

Giving women the right to vote was going to happen.
Giving Wilson credit for that is like giving Clinton credit for welfare reform after it was shoved down his throat.
BUT, I'll give them credit none-the-less for signing those bills into law.

Women's suffrage came from the 19th amendment, which did not require the president's signature.

 

[Karina_666]

as far as Reagan being remembered as a great president....please. The guy was completely incompetent. Made a lot of friends after he died though.....

 

[DELIRI0US N0MAD]

as far as Reagan being remembered as a great president....please. The guy was completely incompetent. Made a lot of friends after he died though.....

You may not think so....in fact, maybe he wasn't great....but he is seen by the majority of Americans as great.

Perception is reality.

 

[MyHatred]

Not really. It is when people die that they immortalize them and tend to forget their past misgivings and only think of the positives in their lives. Ronnie was not a very good prez.

 

[DELIRI0US N0MAD]

Women's suffrage came from the 19th amendment, which did not require the president's signature.

You are right. I stand corrected.
The presidential signature is strictly ceremonial.

 

[DELIRI0US N0MAD]

Not really. It is when people die that they immortalize them and tend to forget their past misgivings and only think of the positives in their lives. Ronnie was not a very good prez.

So are you saying that just because Calvin Coolidge is dead that he is now considered a great president?

Sure, when you die, people do tend to focus on the positive side.
There have been many presidents that have died and have not been granted "great" status.

I can assure you, when Carter passes away, he will never be considered one of our great presidents.

 

[MyHatred]

Nor has Ronald Reagan been dubbed with the "great" president status. Labeling him "sub-par" would actually fit him better.

Bush would do good to take a few tips from the Coolidge era and talk less because public speaking is not exactly a stong point for ol Dubya. I know he likes to dumb it down for the Nascar Nation but there are other people in the U.S. who prefer their president's to be eloquent speakers.

 

[DELIRI0US N0MAD]

Nor has Ronald Reagan been dubbed with the "great" president status. Labeling him "sub-par" would actually fit him better.

Bush would do good to take a few tips from the Coolidge era and talk less because public speaking is not exactly a stong point for ol Dubya. I know he likes to dumb it down for the Nascar Nation but there are other people in the U.S. who prefer their president's to be eloquent speakers.

That's the problem with people. "Who cares what he says as long as he says it well?" That's how Clinton got elected. He just said the right things, it didn't matter what he did.

I prefer action, not words.

Yes, Bush is a terrible speaker, but I agree with his actions.

You don't, that's fine.
But how they speak is of little concern to me.

 

[DumbAss]

Anyone that still thinks that this is a war over oil is not even worth debating. Tell Michael Moore I said hello. :Spin:

Well.... what the hell eles is it about. Really! The whole world would like to know. 'Cause if it's about weopons of mass distruction, why aren't the States in China, Korea, Pakastan, or Iran?

 

[evadnikufesin]

I'm still trying to find the fun in this thread...

 

[DumbAss]

I'm still trying to find the fun in this thread...

Yeah yer right... it took a turn somewhere in the middle.... and I'm one of the guilty ones.

 

[evadnikufesin]

Yeah yer right... it took a turn somewhere in the middle.... and I'm one of the guilty ones.

OK.. that was funny...

 

[Thrillho]

That's better!

See I knew someone would come along and blame everything I said on my hatred for Bush. It is always after I say that my views are not one sided that someone slates me as a close minded bush hater. Sorry, you're only half right!

Yeah you were totally right, great move going to Afghanistan - they found Bin Ladded in no time!!! Iran? Sure they are a threat - but do you really think surrounding them with Democracy is going to make them love us? Isreal has our weapons, our scientist, our soldiers, and our engineers. If anyone had the balls to go into Isreal and really start some shit, we would be there in an hour (probably less). We are neighbors with Canada and they still disagree with half the shit we do. But according to you how could they? They are sitting right next to the largest Democracy in the world! How on Earth do they resist us? I agree Iran is a threat - I agree it's being overlooked, but I do not agree that Iran is the cause for this war. They went into Afghanistan and Iraq for no reason - if they really wanted Iran, they could jump in there and have it turned into glass in a week.

And yeah - a lot of people thought Iraq was a threat. THOUGHT Iraq was a threat. But Clinton and the UN could not prove it. They never went as far as to make up a huge, bogus address to the UN with all this fake evidence. They never did anything because they didn't know for sure. Hell, I thought Iraq was hiding something too, but they were not. A lot of people thought Iraq had shit out the wazoo - the evidence was so in your face how could you not think it? But that's the issue - the evidence was not right. The evidence was more or less fake. I'm not saying it's Bush's fault (although maybe he could have looked a little closer instead of taking another vacation) but someone fucked up big time.

And saying someone is a "Possible Saudi national" does not make them a Saudi national. This is the term the FBI was and is currently using. Maybe they were - what does it matter? I don't see us going into Saudi Arabia and doing anything about it. Not that we should, the action of a few suicidal murderers should not represent how we relate to the country of their origin. But, still, something tells me we didn't go over there and knock on a few doors because our economy is hanging on by a Saudi thread.

If I thought you took my watch, I would not beat you up and take it back untill I KNEW you took my watch. That's how I see it.

I really do respect everyones opinion here, even though a lot of you don't think so. But still none of you slackers were able to answer me - what the hell happened to all the love?