Philosophy and Anti Semitism

[Cythraul]

So it could be a big coincidence why Jews have been persucuted (or prosecuted depending on how you view it) by so many societies throughout the ages? There are other groups that could have been scapegoated instead, so it's so odd that it is always the Jews.

Yeah it's really freaking odd that outsiders and foreigners get scapegoated. Oh god what a strange phenomenon. I declare that it must be due to the fact that stereotypes about jews are true.

 

[infoterror]

Yeah it's really freaking odd that outsiders and foreigners get scapegoated.

Her point was that, out of several groups of foreigners, Jews got scapegoated the most and the most consistently.

One way to think of it is that if I get thrown out of one or two apartment complexes, it might be that management sucks. If I get thrown out of 34 of them, it's more likely that I have a problem.

It seems to me most populations are nationalist on some subconscious level, and internationalist populations should be carefully quiet when living among them, if at all. In other words, it might not be something inherent to Jews, but to their belief system, that makes them a target, and anyone adopting that belief system and lifestyle would be open to those actions.

Then again, it might just be Jews. Dunno

 

[Filozofo]

This came up in another thread in General Discussions.
Do you believe that anti-semitism is commonplace with philosophers?
I don't because many of the great philosophers were not anti-semitist.

Its a shame there were anti-semitic philsophers, but saying that, there are more great jewish philosophers, than great anti-semitic ones: Spinoza, Marx, Bergson, Wittgenstein (parents converted). Also, I'd like to add that some philosophers that are considered anti-semitic by some misinformed souls, like SPengler and Nietzsche, were anything but anti-semitic, and were if anything, praising jews.

Yeah you mentioned Spinoza. He was excomunicated

 

[FEZZILLA]

I read each post here and never read so much racist bigotry in my life! This topic is about hating Jews, hating Israel.

I am a Nationalist...a hard core Trump voting, gun toting, Bible thumping Nationalist. And...I'm white! So that makes me a white Nationalist! Yet I, and every other Trump voting, gun toting, Bible thumping Nationalist I know, are the ones who defend Israel and the Jews right to exist. Some people here can't even admit that the Jews are even Jewish. You resort to revisionist history that only teaches you hate and false propaganda. Its all antisemitism. Oh, so the Jews preserved the Holy Bible. Is that worth hating them over? If so then some of you have serious mental problems.

Every decent human being I know is a Zionist. A Zionist is someone who don't want to kill the Jews. An anti-zionist is someone who wants to kill the Jews. I chose to be a Zionist.

Anti-zionism is an evil ideology that has crept into America through Islamic organizations like CAIR and the MSA. Some of you say Jews hate "Arabs" is that is a complete line of total bullshit! Jews do not hate "Arabs." Israeli Jews do not hate "Arabs." But most Muslims hate Jews because Muhammad told them to kill every last Jew on the earth. And when you follow a terrorist ideology like Muhammad's, you can expect nothing but hate and mass genocide from it. The Palestinians (i.e., Jordanians) hate the Jews because Muhammad and the Qur'an command them to hate Jews.

Consider Islamic doctrine before blaming the Jews for all the ills of the middle east and the rest of the world.

Oh, Israel is our best ally in the world. This hatred for Israel has come from radical Socialist who have emerged their doctrines with Islamic jihadists whom they support. The Muslims feed Socialists antisemitic propaganda and the Socialists just eat it right up. When you combine these two ideologies together you get a return to Nazi Germany. But I suppose that is what most people on this topic desire.

I do not and will not hate Jews or anyone else. If you are against racism then you are fully and completely opposed to it. But if you hate Jews or white people then that makes you a racist. I oppose all racism. Jesus loves everyone alike and the Gospel of Christ does not discriminate against race. Your salvation is not based on skin color.

There are bad apples in every race of people. But I do not place any focus on race at all. I see all people as people. The content of one's character has a great deal about how I judge another person. Moreover, a person's ideology has more defining power then skin color ever had. When somebody tells me they are a Socialist then I know I'm talking to a scumbag.

 

[FEZZILLA]

Being a Zionist is a moral obligation. If you are a person of good character and moral standing then you'll become a Zionist. But antisemitism and anti-zionism is nothing but a neo-nazi attempt to revisit the Holocaust.

 

[CiG]

Oh, Israel is our best ally in the world.

 

[FEZZILLA]

Is this a punk forum or a metal forum? Maybe this forum is for Jeremy Corbyn fans? Maybe some of you hate Jews because you hate God. And since the Jews preserved the Bible, well, in your small minds you think that if you kill the Jews you destroy the Bible. But how can you hate a God you claim don't exist? If God don't exist don't you just go your merry way and get on with your life? What about the fact that there are atheists living in Israel? Do you kill them, too? How many years of drug abuse does it take to become so hateful?

By the way, punk rock sucks. It all sucks. It sucks bad. Real bad. Not a single good punk rock band in its dumb and dull history. Every single thing about punk rock sucks. I have more respect for rap than I do punk and I can't stand rap! But if I were stranded on an Island for the rest of my life and had a choice between punk rock and rap to listen to I'd go with the rap.

 

[CiG]

 

[Slammed]

I find it amazing how accepting Fezz is, particularly of others who may not have the same beliefs as him.

 

[CiG]

if I were stranded on an Island for the rest of my life

You are, just not a literal island.

 

[Slammed]

Too subtle, he wont understand your meaning.

 

[FEZZILLA]

Could this be why Muslims hate Jews?


Sahih Muslim Vol.7, Book 52, Hadith [7339] 82 - (2922)

"It was narrated that Abu Hurairah said: "The Messenger of Allah said: "The Hour will not begin until the Muslims fight the Jews, and the Muslims will kill them, until a Jew hides behind a rock or a tree, and the rock or tree will say: "O Muslim, O slave of Allah, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him." Except the Gharqad (a thorny tree), for it is one of the trees of the Jews."


Sahih Al-Bukhari, Vol.4, Book 56, Chapter 94, Hadith 2925,

"(94) CHAPTER. Fighting against the Jews.
2925. Narrated 'Abdullah bin 'Umar: Allah's Messenger said, "You (Muslims) will fight against the Jews till some of them will hide behind stones. The stones will (betray them) saying, 'O 'Abdullah (i.e., slave of Allah)! There is a Jew hiding behind me; so kill him.' "

Sahih Al-Bukhari, Vol.4, Book 56, Hadith 2926,

"Narrated Abu Hurairah: Allah's Messenger said, "The Hour will not be established until you fight against the Jews, and the stone behind which a Jew will be behind will say, 'O Muslim! There is a Jew hiding behind me, so kill him.' "

I think that is why Muslims hate Jews. Muhammad hated Jews and Muslims follow the Sunnah of Muhammad. Of course all this killing is done so they can have sex with mystical virgins in paradise.

Jami' At-Tirmidhi vol.3, Book 20 (The Virtues of Jihad), Hadith 1663,

"1663, Al-Miqdam bin Ma'diykarib narrated that the Messenger of Allah, said: "There are six things with Allah for a martyr: He is forgiven with the first flow of blood (he suffers), he is shown his place in Paradise, he is protected from punishment in the grave, secure from the greatest terror.* the crown of dignity is placed upon his head--and its gems are better than the world and what is in it -- he is married to seventy-two wives among Al-Huril-'Ayn of Paradise, and he may intercede for seventy of his close relatives." (Hasan)
[Abu 'Eisa said:] This Hadith is Hasan Sahih."

*Comments: "The purpose behind recounting the special favors bestowed upon the martyr is to awaken in our hearts the desire to sacrifice our lives and all that belongs to us in the path of Allah."

Is no small wonder why the slave trade in Islamic countries is still a thriving business:

Sunan An-Nasa'i, Vol.5, Book 44, Chapter 66, hadith 4625

"Chapter 66. Selling Animals
For Animals Of Different
Amounts Or Quality, Hand To
Hand
4625. It was narrated that Jabir
said: "A slave came and gave his
pledge to the Messenger of Allah
to emigrate, and the Prophet
did not realize that he was a slave.
Then his master came looking for
him. The Prophet said: "Sell him
to me.' So he bought him for two
black slaves, then he did not accept
the pledge of anyone after that
until he had asked: 'Is he a slave?"
(Sahih)

This goes out to all you atheists who think Islam is cool and want to become the Ansar and serve Muhammad. Just don't ever change your mind about Islam OR ELSE!..

Sahih Al-Bukhari, Vol.9, Book 88, Hadith 6922,

"Narrated 'Ikrima: Some Zanadiqa (atheists) were brought to 'Ali; and he burnt them. The news of this event reached Ibn 'Abbas who said, "If I had been in his place, I would not have burnt them, as Allah's Messenger forbade it, saying, 'Do not punish anybody with Allah's punishment (fire).' I would have killed them according to the statement of Allah's Messenger, 'Whoever changed his Islamic religion, then kill them.' "

I'd also want to point out that while Ibn 'Abbas was one of the closest companions to Muhammad, he wasn't as close to Muhammad as 'Ali was. And 'Ali became the 4th Caliph of Islam and Ibn 'Abbas never became a Caliph. Goes to show you how the chain of authority works in Islam and how fiqh rulings are made. Since there is no morality in Islam other than just being a Muslim, anything goes.

 

[CiG]

Islam has fuck all to do with my views on Israel. Not everything is about religion, hard to imagine I know for an insane zealot and retarded faggot like yourself.

If Israel is America's greatest ally, name some things Israel has done to prove the truth of this oft repeated claim.

 

[Slammed]

Fark! Not only did he not understand your meaning, you made his head explode and all that shit came out.

 

[CiG]

All roads lead back to "fuck the Muslims" when it comes to this muppet.

 

[FEZZILLA]

I find it amazing how accepting Fezz is, particularly of others who may not have the same beliefs as him.

I'm not a Jew. I know many people who are not Jews. Does this mean because we're not Jews that we kill them? No. I have my disagreements with Judaism but that doesn't mean I want to kill them over that disagreement. Jesus Himself was a Jew. How condemned am I in the eyes of God for killing Jews since Jesus was a Jew?

There are two kinds of Jews:

1. Those who believe God
2. Those without faith.

Most Jews in the world today are atheists. The entire Bolshevik revolution was done by atheist Jews. In Israel, most Jews are atheists. Its only the minority who still practice their ancient faith. Yet they are still a people who love their country and each of them is willing to go out fighting for it. Each Jew in Israel has to serve in the military. This is because in Israel they only have to lose once and that's the end of them. When all of Islamo-land and Europe wants you dead because they hate your race, you learn how not to take any shit.

And why does all of Islamo-land and Europe want the Jews dead? Because they preserved the Bible. So they hate Israel over a God they claim does not exist. Do you not see Satan working his evil through his slaves? I do.

 

[CiG]

Israel is America's very best ally ever because I say so!

 

[Slammed]

There are two kinds of Jews:

There are two kinds of watermelon too. Watermelons are often round but sometimes they grow out of round. They grow best in warmer weather and they like lots of water. Birds can't lift watermelons because they are too heavy and because birds don't have hands. Birds don't have hands because hands don't fly as well as wings. Bird can lift worms though and worm like to wriggle in the dirt where watermelons grow. If you don't believe in worms you can't possibly believe in watermelons. I believe in worms, I believe they are our greatest ally and if you read the bird bible they too believe in worms. Anyone who doesn't hates watermelons just on principal.

New Bird Testament (Tweetie 15): "Greater love hath no worm than this, that a worm lay down his life for his friends"

 

[CiG]

 

[Slammed]

It's no wonder it takes Fez so long to reply, because ^ that's what happened to me when I responded to his wild claims with a well thought out and extremely accurate rebuttle...just like he does.