Good luck on your dissertation.
I was looking forward to continuing our debate
Maybe we can pick it back up in August, if you're still up for it.
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Good luck on your dissertation.
I was looking forward to continuing our debate
Maybe we can pick it back up in August, if you're still up for it.
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Uhm sorry, I didn't really read the whole page, but do you really think that they should die? How about when you had that car crash. I'm sure you're happy you were alive, since you were in a drunk state; I don't see why they couldn't get the chance to as well, no matter what they do or take. No one was born with the ability to choose who gets to live and who doesn't and thanks God (lol) that it's that way. Sure, I judge people once in a while but this thread just makes it look funny. We're all fucking human and we should just let others be how they want to be and what they want to be. In my humblest of opinions, no one and ANY CASE has the right to tell who should get to live and who should get to die. Not everyone wants to be a drug addict or a dropout, many factors play with how you end up.
Now we have a cool e-relationship, and I don't want to start arguing, but I just wanted to pitch in my 2cents.
P.S My friend's dad died of a heroin overdose. Are you saying that he deserved to die? That his son deserved to go through what he went and still goes through every day? Everything we do and say has an impact on no only one, but many things. Saying that he should die is like saying that the people close to him should die as well (Metaphorically). I just think that we should definitely think about our opinions before we say them. I'm no one to tell that to anyone, I say things like these sometimes as well, but it still is a good value to work on.
what a lot of you guys don't seem to understand is that I'm NOT saying I want to kill those people!!! Instead, I'm saying that if they do die, then they brought their death upon themselves and it can be beneficial to some aspects of society (but this is when a majority of them are gone, not just one individual).
And as for my accident, I should've died. I was stupid and I put others in danger. Why didn't I die? I don't know, obviously, I got "lucky" and survived. But truth be told, if I had died, I wouldn't care. Am I glad I'm alive? Sure. But I wouldn't mind if I were dead either. Sorry if that sounds weird, but as I've said before I don't value life as many people do. But that is also due to my philosophical views.
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Don't mind, this is also a serious discussion and it's a good fresh thing here.
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Thanks man. I am going to go ahead and say this though because it struck me. I know you believe in God, and so do I... we aren't blinded by religion/faith (I don't even follow one in particular), we are intelligent and moderate with our beliefs. I think whether he is real or not is irrelevant... but I think that that connection/faith has a lot to do with why we are able to open up more and embrace humans more with more empathy and understanding, and why we are well rounded when it comes to this subject. I mean, people who believe in nothing and claim they don't care about people, well I see a direct relationship there. I'm not saying if you don't believe that means you are an apathetic asshole who doesn't care, I am just saying I noticed that similarity between Dawnghost and I (and others not on this forum). It's also a culture thing, I think Americans only like to look out for themselves. And I don't think I am explaining myself as well as I can but I don't care, if someone takes this the wrong way and shits themselves because I mentioned religion, then waste your time typing I hope people can see what I mean, I don't care to type anymore on it though.Wow, and you say that I am the one generalizing and stereotyping?
I never said there were no good politics, only that the way politics are in the culture today it's retarded. The process is so slow, and pointless, HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS spent on worthless campaigns. No one is really doing anything. And yes, politics do help organize society, but to a very small extent. Laws and Politics ARE TWO SEPARATE THINGS. Most laws introduced by politicians are either done so to make them look good and get votes or it's to help further their own agenda. That isn't true 100% of the time, but if you look into it state-by-state, you'll see a lot of laws, even good ones, are put on the books with an agenda from the politicians backing them. Fuck, CHECK OUT CORPORATE LAWS... seriously
It's awful. You're only thinking of criminal law, but there are many branches of law, all of which receive minor changes every few years to make the politicians money or get them good publicity/votes. I'm not anti-government, or anti-politics. I am just very aware of the problems that people seem to overlook.I wasn't only naming negative stereotypes (but even if I was that doesn't make what I said untrue, I know both the good and bad side of politics, I have taken many courses on law and world history and politics, it's a subject I am very interested in.), instead I was listing them because you seemed to be only focused on the good, I was trying to add some contrast. regarding Katrina, all I can say to you is "too little, too late". Your government came through eventually, but the damage was already done. And don't question me on this, unless you have done as much research as I have on this subject and can present me with some proper arguments. It's something I could give you a lot of data on, but I won't bother because I don't feel like writing more than the excessive amount I am probably going to, and I don't feel like reading a bunch of bullshit I'm going to have to disprove. I'm not saying you aren't as knowledgeable on the subject, but if you aren't, please don't bother until you know everything from both sides.
I'm not anti-establishment at all. Nor did I claim to be an impoverished individual who feels superior because of the events in my life that I have lived through. And also, my dear
Age has nothing to do with life experience ok. There are 50 year old who have done little in life and still don't have any personal understanding of what life is like and adversely, there are 12 year old who are pretty much adults because of the things they've gone through. You should know this. P.S. I am 20.What the fuck are you talking about
Please show me the comments I made that you extrapolated this from because it's just a silly statment I never said that because I was into drugs that made me a better authority or that my views were more important. If anything, all I remarked was that the views YOU are expressed are the same as a lot of ignorant people I personally know, people who have been sheltered in life and don't know how to be in the world and what it's all about. I'm not saying that is the case, but I will go out and state that you DO need to wake up, open your eyes and learn many more things. You're not a stupid girl, I know that. So why settle for uneducated 'philosophies'.
And also, I never mentioned any involvement in crime. Which, by the way,
is irrelevant. I mean, I have done some pretty horrible things that I regret and won't talk about, a lot more than petty crime and I thank God I learned better and didn't go down that path in life (and that I never went to prison), because it leads to nothing. I was close to it, but I got out in time. Live and learn, it made me a better person.Politics every where are different. I'm well aware people have different views, and I respect that but it's not always a good thing. I am always willing to reach a common ground with someone who's taking an opposite viewpoint to me, but when it comes to people like you and Dred, it seems there's no convincing. You're the type of people who are part of the problem, apathetic/elitist with a hint of hypocrisy (Dred using drugs, you involved in an accident while drinking and driving). Take, for example "The Moral Majority" (an extreme right-wing group of voters/politicians). When you deal in absolutes like they do (which you are, Mystique), then you if it's not your way, then it's automatically wrong and therefore you have to fight them until they concede to your point, and if you don't then anything they say it worthless to you anyways. No room for reason or logic. It's ok for them to think that, no one if going to bother them but when they are invading people's lives and judging them, preaching how they should be (Religion in Government/Pro-Life/Anti-Gay Marriage) then that is where people's opinion are too overbearing.
Again, I was only showing you the one side because you're already aware of the good points, I don't need to highlight them again just to show you I know them as well. I am the most unbiased person in most respects. The point is, I know I am a good person, there aren't many people like me. I don't think I am better, but I don't give a shit what people do, or what they think of me. They have the freedom to do whatever as long as it doesn't effect me, or anyone else in a bad way. You however think you are better person than some and that their lives have no value simply because they have an addiction, or if they don't contribute to society in a manner you approve of (not all homeless people are drug addicts or substance abusers). You're making too broad of strokes with your 'philosophy' without thinking it out fully. Which is ok, I'm not saying you can't think the way you do, I just want to show you that you might want to reconsider.
Define delinquent.
Look, High school drop outs are a MAJOR part of the economy, people with less education take jobs with lower pay grades. In some sick twisted way, they are needed. If that is all a person can achieve, then at least they are working toward something. Just because you don't think it is a life worth living, that doesn't mean they should have a chance. Also, I'll re-iterate that not all homeless people are drug abusers, and not all people on the street are homeless because they do drugs. You have some kind of view that every drug addict is either homeless, or unemployed or just leech off the government or cause some harm to society. You know, criminals in general (let alone the specific group of substance abusers that we are talking about) are a VERY insignificant part of the population, in Canada it's 1%, and in the USA it's probably a really small number as well.How is a recreational park more positive than trying to improve a person's life? Your priorities are totally fucked if you think that is right. I mean, come on, there are 1000 BETTER things you could have used as an example that would have sounded at least a little more intelligent. :Smug:
There's an easier way to end the violence and harm to civilians due to drugs, and it doesn't involve killing people and wishing they were dead. But it will never happen. And I want you blame politics and the government that you're defending here for that. POLITICS is the reason why Marijuana(A substance less detrimental than alcohol) is illegal, and there's people in jail for 10-15-20 years because of it. Also, ever hear of a thing called THE WAR ON DRUGS? Deathtoll in that, civilian included, is pretty high. Drug addicts certainly didn't start it, it's one big political fiasco. It's the most costly and unwinnable war to date. LET'S GO TO WAR ON A WORD YAY!...
Drug dealing is one only one facet of a gang's operations. There's prostitution, extortion, robbery, gambling/loanshark, illegal fire arms, etc... you take away drugs they will still be as active. It will make no difference whatsoever.
Ok, I agree here, but alcohol and cigarettes cause the same effects. So how about anyone who drinks or smokes has to be sterilized.
You're only good, concise point imo. But that doesn't mean the solution to reducing the spread of those diseases is to let them overdose and disappear. Don't you think it's be easier just to make clean needles accessible to them? (Please, look into Britain's stance on this, it's really the way I think it should be.)
You ran out of things to say, so you through one last general statement followed up by I mean come on, I never said there wouldn't be any benefits if people stopped doing drugs all together, but I live in the real world, where that is never going to happen, and your solution of saying they should all be left to die is pure bullshit as well. More productivity if all drug-addicts died? You're only a hair away from some really messed up ideals, I just don't think you see it. What will be next for you? Saying the mentally handicapped should be left to die as well, they don't contribute to society. Or blacks should all be locked up indefinitely because they statistically the majority of them are criminals/have been in the penal system.
No, but it's the best system so far that made the transition from paper to the real world. I never fucking praised it or said it was perfect. We have a long way to go. But it's been the most beneficial to people, no one should be born into a place where they have no real freedom.
Wow, that isn't really a good example of a drug addict interfering with your life, I mean, honestly you are coming off as really um... really naive. You need to open your eyes
If you had said you know, you were worried about being mugged, or your house broken into, I would have been able to say something else but the fact you chose something so menial and ridiculous that would justify your reasoning as to why that person should be dead... well that makes me think you are a very elitist, sheltered person.When did I say that they were?
I agree 100% I never said anything to the contrary. I know that the feeling of depression is awful, no matter what the reason. I know people who are depressed and on the verge of suicide over stuff that wouldn't really bother me at all (and that I know the solution to), but that doesn't mean what they are feeling is any less important.
Are you kidding me? In places where prostitution is legal, they are provided with safe environments to 'practice their trade'... given access to methods of safe sex free of charge and are screened (along with their clients) for stds. Whatever, you need to look into things more before you speak, simply all I will say is, you haven't been in their shoes, so don't be so quick to judge. It's easy to sit up on your pedestal shouting your opinions and condemnation, pretending the world is black and white but until you are in that position don't say shit Not everyone is strong enough to overcome the things in their life, a large part of inner strength comes from proper parenting and guidance, and learning how to cope with the world. And some inborn properties as well. So you basically think you're better and these people are garbage because they're not up to your standards. Really sad.You're right life is about choices but people aren't perfect and sometimes their decisions lead them to a bad place. If it doesn't effect you why do you care to judge? Instead of saying drug addicts should be dead, why not try to help in some way, or say your breath for other important things.
I have sympathy for those people, despite the fact I lived it, I would still feel the same. Not a lot of people are as strong as me, and I can understand that. It takes a certain degree of willpower and intelligence to overcome such a thing. Not everyone has that in them, and I can't in good conscience hold that against them. I will let them live their lives, it hurts me to see it but until they want my help, I just let them live their life however THEY choose, not how I think they should.
Yeah but, that isn't true. Their death isn't going to change anything. If nothing changes before hand, then there will simply be new people to take their place. Don't you see that?
The world is imperfect, and you can't make it perfect by hoping those who are inferior in your eyes will disappear. Ethnic cleansing/genocide/the holocaust is a good example of that lesson.You're not lucky you survived. You're lucky the other people on the road that night did. If you want my honest opinion, now that someone else already brought this up... drunk drivers are a MUCH bigger problem than drug addicts. I'd rather see a 1000 bums on the street begging for change and taking welfare checks to shoot heroin then see 1 families killed at the hands of a drunk driver. Drunk drivers are really the lowest of the low imo, next to rapists/pedophiles.
P.S. I've been writing bits of this through out the day!
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I never said there were no good politics, only that the way politics are in the culture today it's retarded. The process is so slow, and pointless, HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS spent on worthless campaigns. No one is really doing anything. And yes, politics do help organize society, but to a very small extent. Laws and Politics ARE TWO SEPARATE THINGS. Most laws introduced by politicians are either done so to make them look good and get votes or it's to help further their own agenda. That isn't true 100% of the time, but if you look into it state-by-state, you'll see a lot of laws, even good ones, are put on the books with an agenda from the politicians backing them. Fuck, CHECK OUT CORPORATE LAWS... seriously
I wasn't only naming negative stereotypes (but even if I was that doesn't make what I said untrue, I know both the good and bad side of politics, I have taken many courses on law and world history and politics, it's a subject I am very interested in.), instead I was listing them because you seemed to be only focused on the good, I was trying to add some contrast. regarding Katrina, all I can say to you is "too little, too late". Your government came through eventually, but the damage was already done. And don't question me on this, unless you have done as much research as I have on this subject and can present me with some proper arguments. It's something I could give you a lot of data on, but I won't bother because I don't feel like writing more than the excessive amount I am probably going to, and I don't feel like reading a bunch of bullshit I'm going to have to disprove. I'm not saying you aren't as knowledgeable on the subject, but if you aren't, please don't bother until you know everything from both sides.
I'm not anti-establishment at all. Nor did I claim to be an impoverished individual who feels superior because of the events in my life that I have lived through. And also, my dear
What the fuck are you talking about
I never said that because I was into drugs that made me a better authority or that my views were more important. If anything, all I remarked was that the views YOU are expressed are the same as a lot of ignorant people I personally know, people who have been sheltered in life and don't know how to be in the world and what it's all about. I'm not saying that is the case, but I will go out and state that you DO need to wake up, open your eyes and learn many more things. You're not a stupid girl, I know that. So why settle for uneducated 'philosophies'.
And also, I never mentioned any involvement in crime. Which, by the way,
Politics every where are different. I'm well aware people have different views, and I respect that but it's not always a good thing. I am always willing to reach a common ground with someone who's taking an opposite viewpoint to me, but when it comes to people like you and Dred, it seems there's no convincing. You're the type of people who are part of the problem, apathetic/elitist with a hint of hypocrisy (Dred using drugs, you involved in an accident while drinking and driving). Take, for example "The Moral Majority" (an extreme right-wing group of voters/politicians). When you deal in absolutes like they do (which you are, Mystique), then you if it's not your way, then it's automatically wrong and therefore you have to fight them until they concede to your point, and if you don't then anything they say it worthless to you anyways. No room for reason or logic. It's ok for them to think that, no one if going to bother them but when they are invading people's lives and judging them, preaching how they should be (Religion in Government/Pro-Life/Anti-Gay Marriage) then that is where people's opinion are too overbearing.
Again, I was only showing you the one side because you're already aware of the good points, I don't need to highlight them again just to show you I know them as well. I am the most unbiased person in most respects. The point is, I know I am a good person, there aren't many people like me. I don't think I am better, but I don't give a shit what people do, or what they think of me. They have the freedom to do whatever as long as it doesn't effect me, or anyone else in a bad way. You however think you are better person than some and that their lives have no value simply because they have an addiction, or if they don't contribute to society in a manner you approve of (not all homeless people are drug addicts or substance abusers). You're making too broad of strokes with your 'philosophy' without thinking it out fully. Which is ok, I'm not saying you can't think the way you do, I just want to show you that you might want to reconsider.
Define delinquent.
How is a recreational park more positive than trying to improve a person's life? Your priorities are totally fucked if you think that is right. I mean, come on, there are 1000 BETTER things you could have used as an example that would have sounded at least a little more intelligent. :Smug:
There's an easier way to end the violence and harm to civilians due to drugs, and it doesn't involve killing people and wishing they were dead. But it will never happen. And I want you blame politics and the government that you're defending here for that. POLITICS is the reason why Marijuana(A substance less detrimental than alcohol) is illegal, and there's people in jail for 10-15-20 years because of it. Also, ever hear of a thing called THE WAR ON DRUGS? Deathtoll in that, civilian included, is pretty high. Drug addicts certainly didn't start it, it's one big political fiasco. It's the most costly and unwinnable war to date. LET'S GO TO WAR ON A WORD YAY!...
Drug dealing is one only one facet of a gang's operations. There's prostitution, extortion, robbery, gambling/loanshark, illegal fire arms, etc... you take away drugs they will still be as active. It will make no difference whatsoever.
Ok, I agree here, but alcohol and cigarettes cause the same effects. So how about anyone who drinks or smokes has to be sterilized.
You're only good, concise point imo. But that doesn't mean the solution to reducing the spread of those diseases is to let them overdose and disappear. Don't you think it's be easier just to make clean needles accessible to them? (Please, look into Britain's stance on this, it's really the way I think it should be.)
I mean come on, I never said there wouldn't be any benefits if people stopped doing drugs all together, but I live in the real world, where that is never going to happen, and your solution of saying they should all be left to die is pure bullshit as well. More productivity if all drug-addicts died? You're only a hair away from some really messed up ideals, I just don't think you see it. What will be next for you? Saying the mentally handicapped should be left to die as well, they don't contribute to society. Or blacks should all be locked up indefinitely because they statistically the majority of them are criminals/have been in the penal system.
No, but it's the best system so far that made the transition from paper to the real world. I never fucking praised it or said it was perfect. We have a long way to go. But it's been the most beneficial to people, no one should be born into a place where they have no real freedom.
Wow, that isn't really a good example of a drug addict interfering with your life, I mean, honestly you are coming off as really um... really naive. You need to open your eyes
When did I say that they were?
I agree 100% I never said anything to the contrary. I know that the feeling of depression is awful, no matter what the reason. I know people who are depressed and on the verge of suicide over stuff that wouldn't really bother me at all (and that I know the solution to), but that doesn't mean what they are feeling is any less important.
You're right life is about choices but people aren't perfect and sometimes their decisions lead them to a bad place. If it doesn't effect you why do you care to judge? Instead of saying drug addicts should be dead, why not try to help in some way, or say your breath for other important things.
I have sympathy for those people, despite the fact I lived it, I would still feel the same. Not a lot of people are as strong as me, and I can understand that. It takes a certain degree of willpower and intelligence to overcome such a thing. Not everyone has that in them, and I can't in good conscience hold that against them. I will let them live their lives, it hurts me to see it but until they want my help, I just let them live their life however THEY choose, not how I think they should.
Yeah but, that isn't true. Their death isn't going to change anything. If nothing changes before hand, then there will simply be new people to take their place. Don't you see that?
You're not lucky you survived. You're lucky the other people on the road that night did. If you want my honest opinion, now that someone else already brought this up... drunk drivers are a MUCH bigger problem than drug addicts. I'd rather see a 1000 bums on the street begging for change and taking welfare checks to shoot heroin then see 1 families killed at the hands of a drunk driver. Drunk drivers are really the lowest of the low imo, next to rapists/pedophiles.
P.S. I've been writing bits of this through out the day!
Quoted due to epic length. Content is alright
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I have to agree now that I participated in it Yes, you do have a point
Yeah but debating on the internet sucks, you write over 9000 words then the other person just ignores half of it and just regurgitates their opinion. Everyone is so defensive.
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I never said there were no good politics, only that the way politics are in the culture today it's retarded. The process is so slow, and pointless, HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS spent on worthless campaigns. No one is really doing anything. And yes, politics do help organize society, but to a very small extent. Laws and Politics ARE TWO SEPARATE THINGS. Most laws introduced by politicians are either done so to make them look good and get votes or it's to help further their own agenda. That isn't true 100% of the time, but if you look into it state-by-state, you'll see a lot of laws, even good ones, are put on the books with an agenda from the politicians backing them. Fuck, CHECK OUT CORPORATE LAWS... seriously
I wasn't only naming negative stereotypes (but even if I was that doesn't make what I said untrue, I know both the good and bad side of politics, I have taken many courses on law and world history and politics, it's a subject I am very interested in.), instead I was listing them because you seemed to be only focused on the good, I was trying to add some contrast. regarding Katrina, all I can say to you is "too little, too late". Your government came through eventually, but the damage was already done. And don't question me on this, unless you have done as much research as I have on this subject and can present me with some proper arguments. It's something I could give you a lot of data on, but I won't bother because I don't feel like writing more than the excessive amount I am probably going to, and I don't feel like reading a bunch of bullshit I'm going to have to disprove. I'm not saying you aren't as knowledgeable on the subject, but if you aren't, please don't bother until you know everything from both sides.
I'm not anti-establishment at all. Nor did I claim to be an impoverished individual who feels superior because of the events in my life that I have lived through. And also, my dear
What the fuck are you talking about
I never said that because I was into drugs that made me a better authority or that my views were more important. If anything, all I remarked was that the views YOU are expressed are the same as a lot of ignorant people I personally know, people who have been sheltered in life and don't know how to be in the world and what it's all about. I'm not saying that is the case, but I will go out and state that you DO need to wake up, open your eyes and learn many more things. You're not a stupid girl, I know that. So why settle for uneducated 'philosophies'.
And also, I never mentioned any involvement in crime. Which, by the way,
Politics every where are different. I'm well aware people have different views, and I respect that but it's not always a good thing. I am always willing to reach a common ground with someone who's taking an opposite viewpoint to me, but when it comes to people like you and Dred, it seems there's no convincing. You're the type of people who are part of the problem, apathetic/elitist with a hint of hypocrisy (Dred using drugs, you involved in an accident while drinking and driving). Take, for example "The Moral Majority" (an extreme right-wing group of voters/politicians). When you deal in absolutes like they do (which you are, Mystique), then you if it's not your way, then it's automatically wrong and therefore you have to fight them until they concede to your point, and if you don't then anything they say it worthless to you anyways. No room for reason or logic. It's ok for them to think that, no one if going to bother them but when they are invading people's lives and judging them, preaching how they should be (Religion in Government/Pro-Life/Anti-Gay Marriage) then that is where people's opinion are too overbearing.
Again, I was only showing you the one side because you're already aware of the good points, I don't need to highlight them again just to show you I know them as well. I am the most unbiased person in most respects. The point is, I know I am a good person, there aren't many people like me. I don't think I am better, but I don't give a shit what people do, or what they think of me. They have the freedom to do whatever as long as it doesn't effect me, or anyone else in a bad way. You however think you are better person than some and that their lives have no value simply because they have an addiction, or if they don't contribute to society in a manner you approve of (not all homeless people are drug addicts or substance abusers). You're making too broad of strokes with your 'philosophy' without thinking it out fully. Which is ok, I'm not saying you can't think the way you do, I just want to show you that you might want to reconsider.
Define delinquent.
How is a recreational park more positive than trying to improve a person's life? Your priorities are totally fucked if you think that is right. I mean, come on, there are 1000 BETTER things you could have used as an example that would have sounded at least a little more intelligent. :Smug:
There's an easier way to end the violence and harm to civilians due to drugs, and it doesn't involve killing people and wishing they were dead. But it will never happen. And I want you blame politics and the government that you're defending here for that. POLITICS is the reason why Marijuana(A substance less detrimental than alcohol) is illegal, and there's people in jail for 10-15-20 years because of it. Also, ever hear of a thing called THE WAR ON DRUGS? Deathtoll in that, civilian included, is pretty high. Drug addicts certainly didn't start it, it's one big political fiasco. It's the most costly and unwinnable war to date. LET'S GO TO WAR ON A WORD YAY!...
Drug dealing is one only one facet of a gang's operations. There's prostitution, extortion, robbery, gambling/loanshark, illegal fire arms, etc... you take away drugs they will still be as active. It will make no difference whatsoever.
Ok, I agree here, but alcohol and cigarettes cause the same effects. So how about anyone who drinks or smokes has to be sterilized.
You're only good, concise point imo. But that doesn't mean the solution to reducing the spread of those diseases is to let them overdose and disappear. Don't you think it's be easier just to make clean needles accessible to them? (Please, look into Britain's stance on this, it's really the way I think it should be.)
I mean come on, I never said there wouldn't be any benefits if people stopped doing drugs all together, but I live in the real world, where that is never going to happen, and your solution of saying they should all be left to die is pure bullshit as well. More productivity if all drug-addicts died? You're only a hair away from some really messed up ideals, I just don't think you see it. What will be next for you? Saying the mentally handicapped should be left to die as well, they don't contribute to society. Or blacks should all be locked up indefinitely because they statistically the majority of them are criminals/have been in the penal system.
No, but it's the best system so far that made the transition from paper to the real world. I never fucking praised it or said it was perfect. We have a long way to go. But it's been the most beneficial to people, no one should be born into a place where they have no real freedom.
Wow, that isn't really a good example of a drug addict interfering with your life, I mean, honestly you are coming off as really um... really naive. You need to open your eyes
When did I say that they were?
I agree 100% I never said anything to the contrary. I know that the feeling of depression is awful, no matter what the reason. I know people who are depressed and on the verge of suicide over stuff that wouldn't really bother me at all (and that I know the solution to), but that doesn't mean what they are feeling is any less important.
You're right life is about choices but people aren't perfect and sometimes their decisions lead them to a bad place. If it doesn't effect you why do you care to judge? Instead of saying drug addicts should be dead, why not try to help in some way, or say your breath for other important things.
I have sympathy for those people, despite the fact I lived it, I would still feel the same. Not a lot of people are as strong as me, and I can understand that. It takes a certain degree of willpower and intelligence to overcome such a thing. Not everyone has that in them, and I can't in good conscience hold that against them. I will let them live their lives, it hurts me to see it but until they want my help, I just let them live their life however THEY choose, not how I think they should.
Yeah but, that isn't true. Their death isn't going to change anything. If nothing changes before hand, then there will simply be new people to take their place. Don't you see that?
You're not lucky you survived. You're lucky the other people on the road that night did. If you want my honest opinion, now that someone else already brought this up... drunk drivers are a MUCH bigger problem than drug addicts. I'd rather see a 1000 bums on the street begging for change and taking welfare checks to shoot heroin then see 1 families killed at the hands of a drunk driver. Drunk drivers are really the lowest of the low imo, next to rapists/pedophiles.
P.S. I've been writing bits of this through out the day!
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I understand and accept what you have said so far, but please don't tell me that the only reason you are in this thread is to sit here and try to disprove people. You are very hasty in making such a judgment about what people say being automatically wrong.
I admit I am probably not as knowledgeable about it as you may be. It's not like I wrote a research paper on it; I just know the basics I hear and read in the news. Nor do I care to continue the matter on Katrina anyway.
Of course you never outright said it. But it was very obviously implied in some of your posts. I don't feel like going back and searching through everything you've said in the last couple of pages, but it is definitely there. I think it was in one of your responses to Dred.I'm not anti-establishment at all. Nor did I claim to be an impoverished individual who feels superior because of the events in my life that I have lived through. And also, my dear
This was basically found in your negative thoughts about poltics. For example:What the fuck are you talking about
Comments like this show you have a lot of built up hatred towards those in power. But the fact is, no matter who is in power, they will be corrupted sooner or later, one way or the other. Even if Ghandi himself was in power, he wouldn't hold a clean record forever. One of his advisers, or the members of his cabinet, or however you want to describe them, will cause trouble due to self-interest. It's sad to say, but that's just how human nature works. Power corrupts. Why do you think Communism could never work? Because self-interest is innate in human nature.
You have to understand that just because people who in your eyes seem stupid and happen to have the same thoughts as me, doesn't mean these are "uneducated philosophies." You're judging the opinion based on who made it and that is a very biased view.
What are you talking about
You can go ahead and label me all you want, but you have to realize that I don't disagree with EVERYTHING you say. I realize what most of politics is all about (self-interest) which you seem to hate. And I realize how fucked up our American politicians act in a lot of cases. But it is you, my friend, who is refusing to look at it the other way. I can completely see why you think the way you do. I understand your logic. But the question is, are you opening your mind enough to understand mine? Do you see why I am thinking in a different way than you? Just because the type of morals I support aren't the norm that is taught in school and by your parents, doesn't mean that it is automatically wrong. And for that matter there is no right or wrong, just opinion, and man-made morals. I don't know if you are able to follow me, but it is hard to type all this shit out, I'd rather have this discussion in person, but whatever. Maybe you get what I'm trying to make you understand.Ummm....hello...did you completely miss the part where I said I did deserve to die because of my stupid choices (drinking and driving). I admit that I was basically as bad as those addicts that we are talking about. I used to drink and drive every weekend, but it finally caught up to me and I learned my lesson. If I had died, I would say good for society. There's one less drunk on the road. So how exactly is that having such a superior image of myself?
Regarding your attacks on my list: I'm not even going to bother responding because it'll be like a ping-pong match. You know all those points were valid, but you insist on being supportive of drug users. I for one, am NOT saying that they should be purposely killed, and it seems like this point just doesn't go through your head.
Regarding you trying to live in a realistic world: So am I. Only I am pointing out some things that could be seen as beneficial instead of tragedies. It's like I'm the optimist here :zombie:
Ignorance is bliss my friend
Do you actually think we're free right now? Maybe you do, only because you don't know what other possibilities of freedom there are. So in a way, we are ignorantly happy right now (and I'm sure you'll argue against this, claiming, "omg we have sooo much freedoms," which we do, but yet we are not free, nor will we ever be.Wow, that isn't really a good example of a drug addict interfering with your life, I mean, honestly you are coming off as really um... really naive. You need to open your eyes
!! You missed the whole point! Just the fact that this type of person is approaching me, it is violating your "live and let live" mantra. Because he abuses these substances he acts differently and effects other people's lives. Most likely, if he wasn't on crack, he wouldn't be such a nuisance to passerbys, unless he had other mental disorders. we did assume that beforehand, the drugs would be made legal. The number of drug-related deaths would most likely rise a great deal, and the younger kids would get an intense image of what drugs really do. So why do you assume new people will take their place? I actually think that the number of users would slowly decline after a few decades of immense ODs.
for your information, the other people involved weren't even hurt. then 2nd lady that hit me got a minor elbow injury, and that's it. Also, be aware that I did not cause the accident. Both cars were speeding so much, they had no time to slow down before smashing into me. My car was stopped on the freeway, I never hit anybody. So everyone was blamed for their own accident on the police report. Don't assume that if someone had died it would've been my fault. If I had died, then yes, that would have been partially my fault.
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I don't believe in freedom. If you have the possibility to choose between two things, it's because you HAVE the POSSIBILITY to do so, I mean, wen you think of it our brain is all about nerve and things like that (I'm losing my English here).
It's the same thing as taking compliments and insults. If somebody tells you you are beautiful, it's pleasant, but going deeper in it and you find that after all, if you are beautiful, it's not your fault. You have been made like this. There's no way to be "proud" of something, to be happy about it yeah.
If you can think a way or perform an action, it's because you are disposed to. I don't mean to stop living and stop enjoying life, but there's a way to at least understand that.
Tho, Late at night + tiredness + Second language + strange theory + THC = a "not way" to explain something on the Internet.
It's the same thing as taking compliments and insults. If somebody tells you you are beautiful, it's pleasant, but going deeper in it and you find that after all, if you are beautiful, it's not your fault. You have been made like this. There's no way to be "proud" of something, to be happy about it yeah.
If you can think a way or perform an action, it's because you are disposed to. I don't mean to stop living and stop enjoying life, but there's a way to at least understand that.
Tho, Late at night + tiredness + Second language + strange theory + THC = a "not way" to explain something on the Internet.
