Philosophy- Discuss Here

Actually.....yes. I think all drugs should be legal. If you're stupid enough to try, become addicted to, and overdose on heroin, you're doing everyone a favor and weeding yourself out of the gene pool.

I actually agree with this as well, I don't think throwing junkies in jail is any help for them. They should have a safe spot to do their drugs that prevents them from making things way worse then it has to be. I don't think the government should be able to tell anyone what to and not to put into their bodies, yet at the same time they should at least give accurate information of the results in using such drugs. I was actually trying to figure out why victim of the night holds the views she does while studying pharmacology. Its almost like being anti gun and having a huge gun collection.
 
Yes, I realize they do have families. But think of this as a matter of politics, where you cannot see everything as personal.

:lol: You do realize politics is a load of bulllshit, it's generally not good for anyone except the politicians involved (and even when a politician does try to do good, their hands are bound/they are limited to what they can do because of their obligations to others who helped them get to where they are). If you think you know how to play the game, you'll see that politicians are backed by groups who finance their campaigns to see them elected because they have their own interests in mind. These groups control a lot of people's votes and they can help give a candidate a better chance. They can't just walk away from that, or else their career will be ruined.

If that were the case, the world would be a mess right now.

I would say the world would be less of a mess if we used more thought in our nation's actions and less politics. People would have a better standard of life as well. Explain to me why your countries throws away billions to foreign aid when you have people dying of starvation in your own country, dying because they can't afford healthcare, people on the street because they can't afford a home, or unable to find a job. The first priority of any nation should be to it's people. Unfortunately, because of politics, it looks better to the rest of the world to give your money to others who do not always need it than spend it to improve the quality of life of your own citizens. I'm not saying that money shouldn't be given as a relief effort but, just look into some of the money your country gives away, some is just ridiculous. Also look at how fast your country mobilizes and sends money/aid to a foreign nation struck by a natural disaster and then compare that to how fast people in Hurricane Katrina were helped. That's politics for you :)

Also, thanks to politics, atrocities like the genocide in Rwanda and Darfur (along with COUNTLESS OTHERS) were simply left to happen. (They started because of politics as well.)

There would never be any wars to defend your country because generals and leaders would be scared about harming or impacting the families in the other country.

Please realize that most wars aren't to started to defend a country, but rather because of some political obligation or some other motivation. There are few wars that can actually be justified as 'right' and that were waged in the interest of protecting a nation. (P.S. You'll see the U.S. didn't really have any enemies in the middle-east until they sided with Israel and started enacting all kinds of fucked up policies that pissed off all the Arabs. That whole dispute in the middle-east will never be solved BECAUSE of politics.)

No matter who the person is, if they are addicted, they are weak. But everyone has weak points, so I'm not criticizing them particularly, but I am criticizing the group as a whole. When someone is addicted, the drug tends to overtake their whole life. This is no way to live. Or rather, this a way to live to achieve a quicker death. So what's so wrong if I say I don't mind their death? And that their death can hold some benefits?

Not all drug addicts are weak, you're generalizing and judging by stereotypes. There have been very, very powerful people who were addicted to drugs their entire lives who accomplished many great things, through history to present day (from kings to literary greats). So it's not about them being addicted to drugs, from what I'm hearing, it's about them being weak.

You need to 'live and let live'. If it's not hurting you or anyone else but that particular person, then let it be. I mean, who are you to determine their death would hold a benefit? One person cannot make such a decision, even if you polled the entire country, the result would be mixed, so there would be no real way to reach a consensus on your thoughts. You're allowed to think that is true though, just as racists are allowed to hate blacks and jews, freedom of opinion is something I believe in strongly... it's just unfortunate many people don't take the time to do a little thinking before they cast their opinions in stone.

(Also, please list me the benefits you're talking about if drug addicts were to die off, I'm curious.)

Excuse me? When did I every say she should be killed? I just said when she does die, it wouldn't necessarily be a bad thing.

It wouldn't be a bad thing to you, but it certainly wouldn't be a good thing either.

These are just my political views. Maybe it would help you understand if I told you that I would support Fascism (not the Nazism, but the original form of Fascism. It was never done correctly. And I think it's too late to attempt it now.

:lol::lol::lol: There's a reason why they didn't work. They are awesome in theory, but because of your best friend POLITICS and a little human nature, they will NEVER work. Besides, freedom to live your own life with equal opportunities is every person's right.

Actually.....yes. I think all drugs should be legal. If you're stupid enough to try, become addicted to, and overdose on heroin, you're doing everyone a favor and weeding yourself out of the gene pool.

/facepalm. Are you fucking kidding me. :lol: I was addicted to drugs for 4 years. It's something I ALWAYS intended to stop in the back of my mind, I just couldn't for many reasons (usually because I put it off... 'tomorrow, tomorrow' syndrome :lol:). It was a habit I became dependent on. I was a little stupid for starting to begin with but it's not like I knew that it would happen... the addiction comes easily. People don't choose to be addicted, it's a hard thing. How is dying because of a problem doing someone else a favour? Do you feel the same about depressed people who commit suicide? People don't try drugs to become strung out social rejects. And remember, everyone is addicted to something. Whether it's drugs, food, exercise, etc... if you see that as a weakness in the gene pool then you better start the killing now, you have nearly 7 billion people you need to get rid of.

P.S. Cigarettes and alcohol are drugs too. Put yourself in someone else's shoes and remember how hard it was for you when you tried to quit smoking. Now take away all your income, throw in a lot of physical/mental abuse, multiply that craving in your brain for the substance x 100 and you are now experiencing what a drug addict might feel. Still think the same? Just because someone does drugs means they are a write off, and shouldn't be allowed to live. For fuck sakes :lol: People aren't perfect, I'm sure you're not living your life to your full potential either, none of us are, so who cares. Live and let live should be the mantra here.

^Dont you do pot alot? :p
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Yes....but I think drug use is a personal choice which is no business of the government. Same with prostitution. They're victimless crimes....and no, someone who OD's is not a victim.
HYPOCRITE :lol: And prostitution is not a victimless crime for fuck's sakes....... I want to slap you :lol: And fighting to control the drug rackets in all major cities results in A LOT of deaths. But Senior if I close my eyes and ignore the facts... OMG NO VICTIMS! :OMG:

Well....occasionally, but I'd rather see fewer arrests and a happier population, because it's going to happen regardless of the law.

So is murder :lol: And rape. According to your reasoning those should be legal too :p

No drug talk! >8(

It's because of the spam... AND FUCK THIS IS WHY I DIDN'T POST IN THIS THREAD.
 
How is dying because of a problem doing someone else a favour? Do you feel the same about depressed people who commit suicide?
Because my tax money should not be going to either imprisoning nor rehabilitating them. It's not the governments job. That's why. And yes....if you commit suicide, I don't fucking care. That was your choice...and you're an idiot.


Live and let live should be the mantra here.
EXACTLY MY FUCKING POINT! It's not the governments job to tell me what I can and cannot do with my body. If I wanna pump it full of cat piss, it's my prerogative. If I wanna fuck an of age transexual prostitute that should also be my choice.

And prostitution is not a victimless crime for fuck's sakes....... I want to slap you :lol: And fighting to control the drug rackets in all major cities results in A LOT of deaths. But Senior if I close my eyes and ignore the facts... OMG NO VICTIMS! :OMG:

You're a schmuck. Rape and murder are not victimless crimes...but if I enter into a business transaction with a fully grown woman for sexual acts, who is the victim there? The girl who's making money off my sad, pathetic existance? Or me...who happens to be nailing a chick with some daddy issues? Also, if drugs were legalized, there would be much less of a need for violece surrounding it. I'm not saying it would go away....but it would certainly be a better situation than we're in now.
 
Oh p.s.: Why am I a hypocrite because I'm able to keep my recreational drug use in check and you weren't? That just makes me better than you.
 
p.p.s.- Slight change in semantics. I don't actually think drugs should be legalized, but rather decriminalized.
 
Because my tax money should not be going to either imprisoning nor rehabilitating them. It's not the governments job. That's why.

Your tax money gets wasted on a lot of other things too, things that don't benefit you or anyone else, so would you not rather see your money go to a program that could potentially help someone. Rehab programs might not always work, but they should be there for when a person is ready to change. And I agree with you, drugs should be legal/decriminalized... and I don't want to see people in jail for possession when they haven't done anything else.. But you know, we need prisons as a society, while they don't rehabilitate criminals and usually make them worse, there are some people who need to be off the streets. Period. I think the prison system should be drastically overhauled, but in general they need to exist.... the downfall in that is until there's a chance in the politics and legal system of your country, people who haven't really done anything wrong will have to suffer. It's in YOUR fucked up country that someone spends 20 years in jail for marijuana possession. You know, what is your tax rate, 4%? Our is 14% ok, and we have a lot more benefits, so why don't you people stop being so uptight wish your money, and thinking about only yourselves and bitching about what you have to pay. That is one of the reasons why your nation has a lot of problems, everyone is looking out for themselves and aren't willing to give anything up to help others. In Canada, sure the taxes suck, I hate the government taking money I worked hard for, but it happens anyways... the difference is it goes to help people so it doesn't matter. The system is fucked regardless, I'd rather see my tax money going to help people than lining politician's pocket through their own agenda.

And yes....if you commit suicide, I don't fucking care. That was your choice...and you're an idiot.

Spoken like a true child who never had to go through anything difficult in their life. Suicide is selfish, and pointless, but that doesn't mean a person is an idiot. I will never understand suicide, but some people just can't escape that void and they see it as their only relief. People do crazy things when they feel alone with think there's no other option to end their constant pain.

EXACTLY MY FUCKING POINT! It's not the governments job to tell me what I can and cannot do with my body. If I wanna pump it full of cat piss, it's my prerogative. If I wanna fuck an of age transexual prostitute that should also be my choice.
And I didn't debate that? Read a few posts back, I said pretty much the same thing, people should be free, the government should only step in if it's for your own good and the safety of others at the same time (ie: Seatbelts, Helmets on Motorcycles, etc..)

You're a schmuck. Rape and murder are not victimless crimes...but if I enter into a business transaction with a fully grown woman for sexual acts, who is the victim there?
Go watch a few documentaries on prostitution. You'll change your mind, and if you don't, then you're the schmuck. You know, these girls don't choose to be whores, a few do, but usually it's the last option for women who don't have anywhere else to turn and this is an easy option. Whether it's to make money for their kids, to pay for a drug habit, or just to pay for school, it's still a fucking DANGEROUS profession because it is illegal. These women, instead of being allowed to do this in a safe environment, are left in conditions where some idiot can rape or murder her if he feels. Prostitution is not a victimless crime, in some cases it is but in general, it's not.

The girl who's making money off my sad, pathetic existance? Or me...who happens to be nailing a chick with some daddy issues? Also, if drugs were legalized, there would be much less of a need for violece surrounding it. I'm not saying it would go away....but it would certainly be a better situation than we're in now.

I agree with this part and I said it prior to thisand I just laugh at the ignorance of this.

Oh p.s.: Why am I a hypocrite because I'm able to keep my recreational drug use in check and you weren't? That just makes me better than you.

:lol: Is that supposed to be some ad hominem attack? I don't believe you keep your drug use in check, it might not have been as bad as mine and other's but you've even posted yourself how you wanted to quit and how you just sat at your job not doing any work (which jeopardizes your dad's company) waiting to go home and smoke :lol: I mean that isn't what I would call staying in check. I am not perfect, I made mistakes but now I have an unbreakable willpower. I am a better person for it. I'm glad I went through it it gave me experience and strength. I'm not ashamed at all, and by the way don't say you're better than me because you think you keep your drug use in check :lol: I don't drink, smoke or do drugs... I don't even drink caffeine ffs :lol: If we're going on the least amount of drugs consumed that determines a certain person is better than the other then :p
 
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I'll go back and read/respond later....because you're totally wrong
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I don't understand how you are disagreeing with each other yet are saying nearly the same things?????
Dred was saying that safe prostitution of the willing would be good. I'd say, a jobs a job and we are all whores who work for someone else. As for the drug issue, well that is slightly different but your are saying the same sort of thing really. I think drugs should be educated on, yet not made completely available. The governments job is to protect us from dangerous citizens and other countries, and therefore putting someone in jail for doing something to themselves isn't really protecting them, its only imprisoning them, where in most cases they can still get the drugs they want. I think having a safe spot for people to do their drugs and even get them if they have become addicted, would not only cut down on black market violence and influence, it would also protect the addicts from the dark underbelly of the streets where people do things for drugs that most people only imagine in their nightmares. As for politics, Heartless is right, there isn't much the current politicians can do, so I think we should kill em all and start again with local government setting up their own laws and the government worrying about protecting us from invaders and matters of national security and not local matters of drug abuse. To me there is too much disconnect from big government to be effective at dealing with such issues. Every town and city are different and each should be able to have a consensus of people to agree upon what those people want in their community after being presented the whole truth and not just propaganda.

As for the depression issue. There is no such thing as depression. IT(the process) is a nominalization(the linguistic process of turning a word or verb into an event or thing through a complex transformational process. This almost always
occurs with the total deletion of some referential index and also serves to activate
transderivational search. Nominalization occurs when Deep-Structure process words are transformed
into nouns in the Surface Structure.)

Killing yourself because you constantly dwell on why you are sad is not an excuse to commit suicide. Those people are in need of help but the fact that they kill themselves means they are good at killing themselves, and not thinking about the effect they are having on everyone else in their life. When emo kids kill themselves, I think they are idiots because they make themselves the way they are by the thoughts and emotions they create within themselves and their limiting beliefs brought on in the culture of emoness. When will people learn that its their mind and their emotions and they can control the way they feel, in any circumstance.
 
Mystique,So let me get this straight. You want all drug addicts to die by their own hand, and yet you are becoming a pharmacist to give people the drugs that they are going to become addicted to? In my area there are many people addicted to oxys and that is a prescription drug! I really don't get what they hell your motivations are, but I am starting to think that you like to make people suffer, or at least logically it appears that way.

Dude stop confusing me with other people. I was not the one who said anything about being a pharmacist.

Actually.....yes. I think all drugs should be legal. If you're stupid enough to try, become addicted to, and overdose on heroin, you're doing everyone a favor and weeding yourself out of the gene pool.

Exactly.
 
Holy crap, this thread has changed a lot. It has gone from anti-realism and generic, unfounded atheistic talk to drugs and prostitution!

Since I'm finishing my dissertation (@ Mystique: it's on human behavior) I won't be able to come back until August. But I don't think this thread will even miss my posts anyway.

ANYWAY, I'm just writing to state that I agree with almost everything that Joe has said about drugs! And also suicide! And I'm writing to give my props to him for his approach on this subject and his general respect for human life and dignity. I don't agree with him 100%, but it was nice to see someone with a little respect for someone else's lives and problems, instead of just the regular trend of kids jumping into some sort of idiotic, selfish eugenics bandwagon.

Kudos, Joe.
 
:lol: You do realize politics is a load of bulllshit, it's generally not good for anyone except the politicians involved (and even when a politician does try to do good, their hands are bound/they are limited to what they can do because of their obligations to others who helped them get to where they are). If you think you know how to play the game, you'll see that politicians are backed by groups who finance their campaigns to see them elected because they have their own interests in mind. These groups control a lot of people's votes and they can help give a candidate a better chance. They can't just walk away from that, or else their career will be ruined.
Wow, and you say that I am the one generalizing and stereotyping? :rolleyes: Sorry dude, but as you're telling me, you should also open your eyes also. Politics helps to organize society. Without laws and the politicians who create those laws, we would be a complete mess right now.


I would say the world would be less of a mess if we used more thought in our nation's actions and less politics. People would have a better standard of life as well. Explain to me why your countries throws away billions to foreign aid when you have people dying of starvation in your own country, dying because they can't afford healthcare, people on the street because they can't afford a home, or unable to find a job. The first priority of any nation should be to it's people. Unfortunately, because of politics, it looks better to the rest of the world to give your money to others who do not always need it than spend it to improve the quality of life of your own citizens. I'm not saying that money shouldn't be given as a relief effort but, just look into some of the money your country gives away, some is just ridiculous. Also look at how fast your country mobilizes and sends money/aid to a foreign nation struck by a natural disaster and then compare that to how fast people in Hurricane Katrina were helped. That's politics for you :)
Good job of listing all the negative stereotypical aspects of politics. Now go do some research and see how much we also helped those Katrina victims. It seems to me you're just being all "Anti-politics" because you see yourself as some poor kid who has "tonnes of life experience" while being only what? 19 years old? And as a result, you like to release all your angst on "the man." Just because you've been into drugs and some petty crime you think your view has more value to it than mine? Well I'm sorry, it doesn't work that way. Everybody has different experiences and therefore will see every situation differently. Just because yours is different than mine, doesn't make you right on how good our current politics work.



Not all drug addicts are weak, you're generalizing and judging by stereotypes.
oh, you mean the same way your doing with politicians?


(Also, please list me the benefits you're talking about if drug addicts were to die off, I'm curious.)
1. less delinquents in society (these include high school drop-outs, bums on the street, criminals).
2. As Dred already said, our tax money. It can go towards something more positive, such as making recreational parks or some shit.
3. less violence and harm done to civilians due to drugs.
4. less gang activity.
5. less babies born with deformities and addictions due to junkie mothers.
6. less wide-spread diseases (such as AIDS and Hepatitis thru the sharing of needles)
7. more productivity

dude the list just goes on. don't play dumb.



:lol::lol::lol: There's a reason why they didn't work. They are awesome in theory, but because of your best friend POLITICS and a little human nature, they will NEVER work. Besides, freedom to live your own life with equal opportunities is every person's right.
does anything work out the way it does on paper? even your precious democracy isn't practiced as it is in theory.





Live and let live should be the mantra here.
And if you can improve the quality of life, then you should try.
If I'm walking down the street in LA and some bum who just smoke crack and angel dust walks up to me and starts harassing me, is he not interfering in my life? You think I want to be approached by a person such as that?


Spoken like a true child who never had to go through anything difficult in their life. Suicide is selfish, and pointless, but that doesn't mean a person is an idiot. I will never understand suicide, but some people just can't escape that void and they see it as their only relief. People do crazy things when they feel alone with think there's no other option to end their constant pain.
Ok seriously, stop assuming your views are superior because you've omg gone thru drugs and had such a hard life. Even a filthy rich woman who lives in a mansion in Beverly Hills can be suicidal, even though she has all the material wealth she can want. She can still go through depression and feel like there's a void in her life perhaps due to a lack of love in her life, or whatever her situation might be. The rich can suffer like the poor, but through different circumstances. The level of mental anguish can still be the same.


Go watch a few documentaries on prostitution. You'll change your mind, and if you don't, then you're the schmuck. You know, these girls don't choose to be whores, a few do, but usually it's the last option for women who don't have anywhere else to turn and this is an easy option. Whether it's to make money for their kids, to pay for a drug habit, or just to pay for school, it's still a fucking DANGEROUS profession because it is illegal. These women, instead of being allowed to do this in a safe environment, are left in conditions where some idiot can rape or murder her if he feels. Prostitution is not a victimless crime, in some cases it is but in general, it's not.
safe environment??? they fucking CHOSE that environment. I understand it's the easy way out for some of those women, but they can have a bit more dignity and common sense and work as a waitress or something, save up, stop wasting their money on bad habits, and get an apartment and then work their way up from there. Life gives you choices, and those choices you make reflects who you are. So by choosing prostitution or by choosing drugs, you are really saying a lot about yourself. Even for those who have had hard lives, where they were abused or raped. You can be the stronger person and make something of yourself.



:lol: Is that supposed to be some ad hominem attack? I don't believe you keep your drug use in check, it might not have been as bad as mine and other's but you've even posted yourself how you wanted to quit and how you just sat at your job not doing any work (which jeopardizes your dad's company) waiting to go home and smoke :lol: I mean that isn't what I would call staying in check. I am not perfect, I made mistakes but now I have an unbreakable willpower. I am a better person for it. I'm glad I went through it it gave me experience and strength. I'm not ashamed at all, and by the way don't say you're better than me because you think you keep your drug use in check :lol: I don't drink, smoke or do drugs... I don't even drink caffeine ffs :lol: If we're going on the least amount of drugs consumed that determines a certain person is better than the other then :p
see, you are an example of what I just said. you overcame your weaknesses and are now a better and stronger person. I don't see why you have so much pity for those who have hard lives and then choose to make it worse.