Philosophy- Discuss Here

[+VictimOfTheNight+]

You seem to a very judgmental person. you said "Sorry but it's proved" and I'm going to say by who? BY you, otherwise then it isn't 'proved' its told to you and you accept it to be truth. The aspects that you describe seem to be only from you specific interactions with people or the things that people have relayed to you. You try to prove your feelings and beliefs through rationalizing and scare tactics, which unless you are a little kid, probably doesn't work. In my defense of course I smoke weed, and to me I feel fine, I function fine, and I haven't changed anymore then anyone else who lives, learns, and changes. We are constantly changing. We are not beings in stagnation, but constantly changing and constantly evolving. A fact that you 'proved' is bullshit that is spouted by the anti-drug people in order to control your behavior. Weed is not a gateway drug, and it is not addicting. How do I know this? Well lets see, I only smoke weed, and I take NOTHING ELSE. I don't even take perscription drugs because more often then not, they are even worse for you then street drugs, and certainly worse then Marijuana which is a plant that grows and needs no processing to enjoy the fruits."it can make you not social and aggressive, less cheerful, get excessively moody", no, you make yourself non social, less aggressive, less cheerful and excessively moody." You know, that description sounds more like someone on an SSRI then pot. Here is a first hand experience of weed and what it actually does to you, just so you can get you facts straight.
1. It makes you high. This feeling Can be either a heavy body buzz if it is more indica, or a head buzz if it is more sativa.
2. It makes people become more of what they already are. As said earlier. I find most people it makes them happier and friendlier.
3. If you are smoking weed with your friends how is that not being social again??
4. It stimulates the appetite, gets rid of nausea, and makes everything taste better.
5. Its a break from the normal stresses of life which are the real reason people have sickness and illness.
6. If you gave it the tag of medicine then does it no longer become threatening to you and your straight-edge mentality?

I will tell you a few reasons why people choose to smoke marijuana. For one, you only do live once, and why be on your deathbed and saying that you never experienced something that will not kill you, just because you believe what someone else says about it?
There is a conspiracy as to why Marijuana is illegal and if you knew the history of that you may change your mind about it and the people who use it for its medical benefits.



You really have to push those old harmful christian beliefs way out into the distance and dim it so you can't even see them anymore. Christianity is not something that is good for you. It scares me that you see days now as grey and in crazy time distortions. You do realize that it is your brain that interprets reality and the reality that you think you see out there in the real world is not what you actually experience right? Think of your believes like filters for the world. If you believe in god, that is going to change how you react to different things in your life. While you believe that 'drugs are bad' do ph@rmacuticals fit that role as drugs are bad, if not, then you are totally a hypocrite and should seriously re-examine why you believe certain things. Deconstruction of beliefs is important to do, as you will find that sometimes what has motivated you to believe one thing, is really for someone else's benefit, and not your own, which is the only real benefit you should be worried about.

Why do you view days after god, as grey and timeless? To me, everyday is beautiful, bright and clear, it makes me feel great to be alive for one more day, and that motivates me to be the best that I can be every single day. Like many people, you have been installed with useless and sometimes dangerous beliefs. Why do I know so much about this? Well I am becoming a hypnotist and NLPer and have been studying things like change work which to me is what I love. I don't like being around a world full of miserable people who beat themselves up on the inside, harass themselves constantly by saying to themselves negative beliefs like, "I'd can't do that, I'm not that type of person" and "You can't do that, you not 'smart, strong, beautiful, etc' enough".

As a final note, I agree with the fact that any drug which is highly addictive and harmful, such as the really hard drugs like, Heroin(also Oxys, perks, opium, morphine, etc), Amphetamines(hell they can make you heart explode), Crack(obvious), Cocaine(its never pure so you never know what your snorting), Ecstasy (it can burn out your happy chemicals), and any other synthetic drug are just not worth the risk of permanent damage. As for Shrooms, they are relatively harmless and can open peoples eyes to the plasticity of how reality is.

I am not gonna start a long conversation with you about this whole matter, I am italian, English language and I are not good friends: I am limited in my ability of expression so I can't "fight" at my best, and everybody knows that.
I have nothing to say against you, you don't know me and I don't know you but yet you judged me, you also didn't understand what I said... you seem a very smart person, too bad you didn't understand what you read, since I didn't say my opinions are universal... I ain't better than anyone else, nor do I act like it and nor do I say I am right and the others are wrong, so please don't make me seem as if I did act like you said, cuz that'd be so unfair, and wrong because that is NOT me but what you wanted to believe I am... but it's ok, since I respect anyone's opinion, thing that not many people do... you, in example, look at what you said of me:

Like many people, you have been installed with useless and sometimes dangerous beliefs.

Wait: you kinda labelled me, you talked as if you own the truth and as if instead I'd said I did own it and as if I was aggressive... I've never been (except against mosquitos!), you must have skipped the part in which I said this:

But like I always say, everyone must be free to do what they want, always.

You said "Like many people, you have been installed with useless and sometimes dangerous beliefs"...

And you also said:

I don't like being around a world full of miserable people who beat themselves up on the inside, harass themselves constantly by saying to themselves negative beliefs like, "I'd can't do that, I'm not that type of person"...

..can you have a right to deem the others and call them "miserable"? You did it... tell me: who's more judgemental, you or I? Sorry, dude.
Anyway, have the opinion you wanna have, about ANYTHING: I accept it.


And:

1. It makes you high. This feeling Can be either a heavy body buzz if it is more indica, or a head buzz if it is more sativa.
2. It makes people become more of what they already are. As said earlier. I find most people it makes them happier and friendlier.
3. If you are smoking weed with your friends how is that not being social again??
4. It stimulates the appetite, gets rid of nausea, and makes everything taste better.
5. Its a break from the normal stresses of life which are the real reason people have sickness and illness.
6. If you gave it the tag of medicine then does it no longer become threatening to you and your straight-edge mentality?

And:

any drug which is highly addictive and harmful, such as the really hard drugs like, Heroin(also Oxys, perks, opium, morphine, etc), Amphetamines(hell they can make you heart explode), Crack(obvious), Cocaine(its never pure so you never know what your snorting), Ecstasy (it can burn out your happy chemicals), and any other synthetic drug are just not worth the risk of permanent damage. As for Shrooms, they are relatively harmless and can open peoples eyes to the plasticity of how reality is.

Then you said this about me:

While you believe that 'drugs are bad' do ph@rmacuticals fit that role as drugs are bad, if not, then you are totally a hypocrite and should seriously re-examine why you believe certain things.

Well, to let this all come to an end, I study P.harmacy, I've been studying it for years and I will graduate soon.... and I LOVE what I study, I know what I study, so no need for someone to tell me about drugs... all I say about 'em is what I studied... maybe death is one of the few certainties in life, but anything I dare to say about drugs is all proved, I don't lie to act silly and contraddict the others... to study drugs and medicines is my work.
End of.


And one last thing: you said you're about to become a hypnotist... well, good luck with your career, hope you'll get what you want and will be satisfied with it.

 

[Altitudes]

Did someone say... marijuana? :Smokedev:

 

[Dred]

Did someone say... marijuana? :Smokedev:

I can't wait to leave for the day and spark a fattie :Smokin:

 

[Altitudes]

By the way dude, did you quit smoking cigarettes? You seem to be in good shape too!

 

[Dred]

By the way dude, did you quit smoking cigarettes? You seem to be in good shape too!

I haven't had a single cigarette since 3/16


...and thanks, I never get tired of hearing that

 

[Silver Incubus]

I am not gonna start a long conversation with you about this whole matter, I am italian, English language and I are not good friends: I am limited in my ability of expression so I can't "fight" at my best, and everybody knows that.
I have nothing to say against you, you don't know me and I don't know you but yet you judged me, you also didn't understand what I said... you seem a very smart person, too bad you didn't understand what you read, since I didn't say my opinions are universal... I ain't better than anyone else, nor do I act like it and nor do I say I am right and the others are wrong, so please don't make me seem as if I did act like you said, cuz that'd be so unfair, and wrong because that is NOT me but what you wanted to believe I am... but it's ok, since I respect anyone's opinion, thing that not many people do... you, in example, look at what you said of me:


Wait: you kinda labelled me, you talked as if you own the truth and as if instead I'd said I did own it and as if I was aggressive... I've never been (except against mosquitos!), you must have skipped the part in which I said this:

You said "Like many people, you have been installed with useless and sometimes dangerous beliefs"...

And you also said:
..can you have a right to deem the others and call them "miserable"? You did it... tell me: who's more judgemental, you or I? Sorry, dude.
Anyway, have the opinion you wanna have, about ANYTHING: I accept it.


And:


And:



Then you said this about me:

Well, to let this all come to an end, I study P.harmacy, I've been studying it for years and I will graduate soon.... and I LOVE what I study, I know what I study, so no need for someone to tell me about drugs... all I say about 'em is what I studied... maybe death is one of the few certainties in life, but anything I dare to say about drugs is all proved, I don't lie to act silly and contraddict the others... to study drugs and medicines is my work.
End of.


And one last thing: you said you're about to become a hypnotist... well, good luck with your career, hope you'll get what you want and will be satisfied with it.

The fact that you study ph@macy makes my blood boil even more. Drugs created by the pharm industry is the first and foremost ruiner of society with their toxic drugs and doctors being pushers for the big pharms. And yes you do need someone to tell you about drugs since you seem to believe the lies you are told.

As for judging you, no, I was using the evidence from your own post to show you what it is that you are saying. You WERE saying that you were right by saying that it was PROVED. That means you believe yourself to be in the correct standing because you were backing that up.

Essentially I was showing you how flawed your opinion is and where the bases of your opinion was formed. You are right that I don't Know you and I don't have anything against you either

here is a good start on some better education if you dare.
http://opposingdigits.com/vlog/?s=drugs
http://search.bbc.co.uk/cgi-bin/sea...=antidepressants&recipe=all&scope=all&edition
http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2008/feb/27/mentalhealth.health
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB120051950205895415.html?mod=hpp_us_whats_new
http://ssristories.com/

 

[+VictimOfTheNight+]

The fact that you study ph@macy makes my blood boil even more.

Turn the kettle off... or have a cold shower.

Drugs created by the pharm industry is the first and foremost ruiner of society with their toxic drugs and doctors being pushers for the big pharms. And yes you do need someone to tell you about drugs since you seem to believe the lies you are told.

If drugs created by the pharm industry are the foremost ruiners of society, then all the people who recover from their illness do recover due to miracles... wow.
I think us people should think of ourselves as lucky to have the chance of taking a pill who can sometimes, according to the illness and what makes us sick, heal us... lots of people died in the past cuz they had no "drugs created by the pharm industry".
And no, I don't need someone to tell me about drugs. I know what I study and it's proved and confirmed.

As for judging you, no, I was using the evidence from your own post to show you what it is that you are saying. You WERE saying that you were right by saying that it was PROVED. That means you believe yourself to be in the correct standing because you were backing that up.

I wasn't saying I, called user ┼Victim of the Night┼, was right... read better please, for the love of god.
And reading all the things you said, the one who believes, affirms and imposes to be correct is you, not me.

Essentially I was showing you how flawed your opinion is and where the bases of your opinion was formed.

See, these words are another proof that you think you own the truth... you talk as if YOU are flawless, according to you.

You are right that I don't Know you and I don't have anything against you either

Good.

here is a good start on some better education if you dare.
http://opposingdigits.com/vlog/?s=drugs
http://search.bbc.co.uk/cgi-bin/sea...=antidepressants&recipe=all&scope=all&edition
http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2008/feb/27/mentalhealth.health
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB120051950205895415.html?mod=hpp_us_whats_new
http://ssristories.com/

Thanks, but no.
I don't need a "better education" from the Internet, like you proposed me.
Internet infos are good for other stuff, but about this matter we're discussing they're not not as reliable as what you can study at University.


Now, the thing is that what I said in my previous post here was said cuz of that post who Nick (Squeee) made, and now it turned into me and you debating about drugs, which ain't the main and only reason I posted for, so I won't say anything else about the matter, also got no time... you have your opinion, perfectly fine, and I'll have mine.
Thanks for talking anyway.
Now I must leave, good luck with your career again.

 

[~Derek~]

I know this is a little off topic but have any of you took any Philosophy classes in college? I have taken 2, for some reason both of them seem to be focused on God and religion, both by different teachers, and they always had tough questions and situations. They were good but stressful classes at the same time, good in that generally the course material was interesting but stressful in that I'd sometimes feel like not answering the questions asked orally by the teacher because they were damned if you do, dmane dif you dont, that and I felt a little uncomfortable being about the only atheist in a class full of almost everyone being Fundamentalist Christians. Of course I stuck to my views, even though my heart would start pounding and my nervousness would increase when the subject of God came up, but I finally got over it. Though tough questions like "Do You think a belief in God is rational?" were asked, and it seemed like I had 2 answers, of course I can see why one would believe in God but at the same time it doesnt make sense yet I dont think people are stupid for believing in God, I did myself 3 years ago. Anyone else's Philosophy classes similar to this?

 

[Lussi]

In high school (the last year only) we had to study philosophy. To me the only interest I found was to study philosophers, and their texts. I had a shitty old lady teacher that wasn't good at all. Here, it wasn't really about god and religion. It was about everything, art, beauty, human nature, justice etc... Later in the university I understood what philosophy was. To me it's about method and how to classify the arguments when talking about a subject. Once you learn how to organize your mind you will know how to improve your thoughts, your opinions, your vision of life and stuff. In fact, I don't think we need courses to learn how to think properly. It's just a gymnastic of the brain, but you need to have a good general culture and be open-minded. Because the most important thing is to able to change your mind and to justify it in a way.
That's what I like about philosophy. Opinions don't really matter it's how you're able to convince and what is the process that leads you to that conclusion that matter.

 

[Muffin]

So shall we cut them off with a hand saw, chainsaw, or BONESAW, because if you have never done drugs, and never will do drugs, then well with the exception of alcohol (just for you ) then you must have never seen a doctor and never been given a prescription or at least never taken the prescription and somehow managed to heal from all your illnesses from sheer will power. So I'm sure as I cut through your arms you will be able to grow them back with the same will power you had to not ever once in your life take any drugs for anything, not even aspirin for a headache! If I could do that, then I'd think I was better then everyone else as well, because I would be.

You know as well as i do, that i meant illegal drug abuse

keywords illegal and abuse, so don't come here and go all smartass on me, sir.

 

[Muffin]

You know, Silver Incubus, from the way you address people and talk to them, break down their opinions and then being slightly offensive, but always staying inside the border of conduct, i gather no less than that you are a Pseudo-Intellectual bored troll.

The act of merely having a conversation about topics does not include saying that people's education are a big flaw, and that opinions are flawed and unjustified. Nitpicking on small things and using a whole paragraph to elaborate and convey your point, which is nothing but a mere joke(of a considerably small size, for that matter).


The reason why i call you Pseudo-Intellectual, is basically because you seem unable to understand others opinions and views on things, thereby lacking a vast portion of what I, and most people define as social intelligence. There are ways of conveying your point, without breaking down a post and literally degrading an other user in order to get across that your opinion is the ultimate win, and everyone else is a moron who just hasnt seen the light yet. Also you hold quite an amount of knowledge, there's no question in that, but do you honestly believe that you're better than anyone else here, and that YOUR knowledge, is the absolute truth? I'm not saying that you claimed this, i'm saying thats how it sounds, and thats how you come off.

I know i'm being hypocritical, doing this personal attack on you, addressing your personal attack on others, but since you're one of the main players here, and a rude one, i just felt its right that you could see how you come off. It's really not as a good person, though i hope i'm wrong about most of the things i've said here, they are based on observations, and might not have a shred of truth in them, which is good.


I'm sure i come off as an ass myself, but i hope you take some of these words to heart man, and think about some things, its not necessary to be that way. Though of course, i cannot hinder you.

 

[Crzy_Aus]

The fact that you study ph@macy makes my blood boil even more. Drugs created by the pharm industry is the first and foremost ruiner of society with their toxic drugs and doctors being pushers for the big pharms. And yes you do need someone to tell you about drugs since you seem to believe the lies you are told.

This is the most frigging retarded thing I've heard. I don't even ant to argue here; this could be posted either by a huge troll or a christian nut; or maybe both.

 

[Dred]

This is the most frigging retarded thing I've heard. I don't even ant to argue here; this could be posted either by a huge troll or a christian nut; or maybe both.

I actually agree with him on the ************** issue. These big time companies are paying doctors to push these pills by the fistload. Most of these medications have had no studies done as to their longterm effects....for all you know Viagra causes your dick to fall off after 10 years.

IMO big business is the cause of most issues in the world today. Period.

 

[Dred]

Um......why is the word farmaceutical blocked out^^^?????????

 

[Dred]

p.s.- Illegal drugs are only illegal because man has made them such.


That's all.

 

[Silver Incubus]

You know, Silver Incubus, from the way you address people and talk to them, break down their opinions and then being slightly offensive, but always staying inside the border of conduct, i gather no less than that you are a Pseudo-Intellectual bored troll.

The act of merely having a conversation about topics does not include saying that people's education are a big flaw, and that opinions are flawed and unjustified. Nitpicking on small things and using a whole paragraph to elaborate and convey your point, which is nothing but a mere joke(of a considerably small size, for that matter).


The reason why i call you Pseudo-Intellectual, is basically because you seem unable to understand others opinions and views on things, thereby lacking a vast portion of what I, and most people define as social intelligence. There are ways of conveying your point, without breaking down a post and literally degrading an other user in order to get across that your opinion is the ultimate win, and everyone else is a moron who just hasnt seen the light yet. Also you hold quite an amount of knowledge, there's no question in that, but do you honestly believe that you're better than anyone else here, and that YOUR knowledge, is the absolute truth? I'm not saying that you claimed this, i'm saying thats how it sounds, and thats how you come off.

I know i'm being hypocritical, doing this personal attack on you, addressing your personal attack on others, but since you're one of the main players here, and a rude one, i just felt its right that you could see how you come off. It's really not as a good person, though i hope i'm wrong about most of the things i've said here, they are based on observations, and might not have a shred of truth in them, which is good.


I'm sure i come off as an ass myself, but i hope you take some of these words to heart man, and think about some things, its not necessary to be that way. Though of course, i cannot hinder you.

No, I am no troll, and I certainly do not see myself as a pseudo-intellectual. The thing is, it really gets to me when people say things that, if researched a little better, are gravely false. I may come off as one because that is how you read it, but to be honest, other then your post where I was trying to give a hyperbole and a jest at that, I am trying in my own misguided way to help people understand the 'how they came to think this' by using the evidence they posted here, because I don't have any other sort of knowledge about them, right?

Well from what I learned from philosophy, it is about nitpicking peoples 'truths' in order for anyone to get the most truth out of the situation. I do apologize if this seems harsh, it was really just what I learned. I honestly do not think that anyone is 'greater'(I use that term lightly) then anyone else and at the same time we are not all equal in the things we do, clearly if I was greater, then you wouldn't have found flaws in my communication, does that make sense?

Let me just give you something to work with. I am very much a pragmatist, existentialist, and somewhat of a Nihilist, and a agnostic atheist(I don't pragmatically believe in god but still never leave out the possibility that there could be something) although those are just labels and don't accurately reflect me as a person. Like I posted earlier, my whole life I have been in a small town with people who have aimless, and what seems sometimes thoughtless lives. Now, I said that I don't consider most to be morons, they are just preprogrammed to the experiences and learnings that they have experienced in their life, and how their brain copes and codes these experiences in their internal representation of reality. I also know how to change them. Where it may seem like I am judging the person, I am actually challenging their reality, so that they can step outside of the ramblings of their auto-programs and look at themselves from a different perspective, to hear how they sound to other people, to give them a feel for how their beliefs and thoughts, some which are negative and limiting, can be changed for the better with an open minded approach.

The Drug issue, is something that I rally myself behind strongly. If your history teacher always told you one sided versions of history, with inaccurate information, and this teacher is one that you trust very much, and then you learn that all they told you were lies, how would that make you feel? What if in that same situation you have a friend who tells you that the teacher is wrong, but because that teacher is in a higher state of authority, they can't be wrong because that is what they do. Maybe everyone else in the class believes him to, because they are learning the same things and have no reason to think that the teacher was giving inaccurate portrayals of the subject. Then, outside of the class room, in the real world, you may find a few other people who know the same things and believe the same 'facts' that you know. Once you go to apply that knowledge and find out that there are many things missing, many facts left hidden, which in turn distorted you perception of those events and your opinions of them so you make yourself seem ignorant to people who were taught both sides of that history lesson. Then you think back to what your friend was telling you and realize that they weren't trying to make you feel stupid, but actually attempting to help you see the things the way in which they are. You see things without the filters, without the judgement, only the real facts, and then you can create an opinion on those historical events with a sense of certainty and confidence behind your new belief which is based on observable truths.

 

[Silver Incubus]

I actually agree with him on the Ph@macutical issue. These big time companies are paying doctors to push these pills by the fistload. Most of these medications have had no studies done as to their longterm effects....for all you know Viagra causes your dick to fall off after 10 years.

IMO big business is the cause of most issues in the world today. Period.

p.s.- Illegal drugs are only illegal because man has made them such.


That's all.

Yes, that is what I was getting at, yet, I can't just say that because for me, without the evidence to back it up, it just becomes another 'opinion'.

Richard Bandler tells a story about how the school wanted to give his kid Ritalin because they said he had ADHD. When Richard Bandler said that if they can't keep up with his kid, then they should take the Ritalin(because it is essentially speed[yeah the illegal street drug) and give it to the teachers so that they can keep up with him. That way it would be a lot cheaper to medicate the teachers then the students. Can you believe that they didn't want to do that? I guess its ok for some people to tell others to take drugs and not ok for them to take them themselves.

 

[Mystique1721]

Then put them into music

Seriously though, fate is a tricky thing, but determination always helps. It's up to random chance if everything comes out as well as you want it to. Personally, I try to work on creating the most reliable possibilities for myself, but who knows how it will turn out...

There is no such thing as fate since we can decide how our lives play out and where we go with it. And if you give some sort of explanation like, "we can control our fate" then that just contradicts the word itself.

Although my few friends are a variety of different people, I still disagree with your post. I feel like I'd rather hang out with someone who I can have a sensible talk with - like a conversation topic that goes beyond "that chick last night" and "when I went to class with a hangover again". It's not really superiority complex, it's a defence mechanism of one "group" against the other, just like punks defy the world, or metalheads ridicule rappers. For all it's worth, not drinking is a healthier lifestyle anyway, and I won't drink if I know that circumstances won't let me drink sensibly. Thus, some people find it a bad idea to party Friday night through Monday morning like your "average person" . I just find myself unable to have a conversation with them - they are uninteresting.

Look, I'm not saying that "average" people aren't intelligent. Although my friends aren't the philosophical type, I can still have valuable and intelligent discussions with them. But we don't turn everything into a philosophical matter.

Maybe our definitions of "average" tend to differ. The "average" people I know spend half of their life stoned (if not more than that). On the other hand, it is also very untrue that one needs to be dumb in order to be genuine.

I agree with both these points. A lot of the people I know smoke pot every day, and what's worse is that I know quite a few parents who do as well. I've never been so fond of the drug, because from what I've seen, people just become mentally slow after a few years of constantly smoking it.

Or, maybe I am just an arrogant douchebag writing tl;dr posts on a metal forum

wtf is all thsi "tl;dr" shit I'm seeing around this place

Anyway, dunno, but gotta admit that life has no purpose to me too... no point in doing all the things we daily do, no point in spending time to "contruct" our life and ourselves, no point in being good just to be good and cuz "someone taught us so, don't ask why do that: act like that and end of", no point in doing only what the others want us to do 'cause we feel alone and want to be appreciated... we must understand what we do and use our own brain, to demonstrate who we are to ourselves previously... I believe one of the things that count more is a thought, hence to think, because it's an amazing form of freedom.
Then, what is also fundamental, to me, is the process of converting the thought in action.... that allows us to be coherent, and credible in the eyes of the others... and still, I dunno what the purposes in life could be, and like Mick said there can be all the purposes one wants... but maybe, the real purpose could previously be to go on, to demonstrate that we're not gonna give up, despite the bad times we'll have lived, 'cause if we try our best and don't surrender, there's not biggest victory than standing tall, proud of ourselves and of what we did and who we are, until the end of our days... yes, we'll die, but this doesn't mean we'll die at all though, we can be immortal somehow, through the memory that other people will have of us, through the thoughts that they'll keep of us... yes, the thought, it's our first and greatest freedom, the one that noone will ever steal us, in a society where most of time there's no freedom at all.

Regarding the discussion about no meaning in life: Who the fuck cares?!!! obviously there is no REAL meaning or purpose, only man-made ones. But enjoy life while you can, but be sensible about it so you can enjoy more. Live for experience and live for yourselves and for the ones you love. Fuck all else.

And regarding the immortal thing: Why does everyone have a desire to be remembered after they die? I've never understood this desire. Who cares who you were? And why do you want to be "immortal?"

I don't think we need courses to learn how to think properly. It's just a gymnastic of the brain, but you need to have a good general culture and be open-minded.

I think you are talking about the logic course, which teaches you how to think logically, not necessarily "properly" as you stated it.

Yes, that is what I was getting at, yet, I can't just say that because for me, without the evidence to back it up, it just becomes another 'opinion'.

Richard Bandler tells a story about how the school wanted to give his kid Ritalin because they said he had ADHD. When Richard Bandler said that if they can't keep up with his kid, then they should take the Ritalin(because it is essentially speed[yeah the illegal street drug) and give it to the teachers so that they can keep up with him. That way it would be a lot cheaper to medicate the teachers then the students. Can you believe that they didn't want to do that? I guess its ok for some people to tell others to take drugs and not ok for them to take them themselves.

honestly, I think it'd be ok if all the lethal drugs became legal now. I think we need people to overdose and die so we can reduce the population a bit and rid ourselves of somewhat weak and troublesome people.

 

[OvSeth]

Why waste your time trying to understand?

 

[Mystique1721]

Why waste your time trying to understand?

understand what?