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I achieved my last course of philo of my LIFE! it was about Rousseau, Kant, Nozick, Hitler, Rawls etc
Philosophy- Discuss Here
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I know nothing about philosophy, but this post is great, I think I understand what you say and I completely agree on everything.
I understand what you say about some certain substances... I did act like you, always have and always will, cuz there's nothing good coming from them, really... I do not say this only cuz I study them, but cuz I just saw people getting ruined due to that crap... that crap do changes the person, and it's proved that it can make people vulnerable towards illness, just like schizophrenia (the thing applies expecially to Cannabis sativa, indeed, and it can cause addiction and can make the person wanna try more stuff, I'm sorry but it's proved), it can make you not social and aggressive, less cheerful, get excessively moody... anyway I know that, if someone reads this my words, they'll be thinking "Oh no, someone shut that b*tch up, ffs!", but I couldn't care less, since I am not ashamed and I ain't afraid to state what I believe, and Nick, I'm sorry to know that your friend now got like that... and for what? See, a bit of "pleasure" to get a lot of "pain and disease"... the comparison is not worth, to me.
But like I always say, everyone must be free to do what they want, always.
And about life itself... you're right: considering that we all have to die at some point in time, actually there's no real purpose in life... ok, it depends on the concept one have of life though: if you're religious, then life "seems" to have a meaning and a purpose, like of a punishment God gave us cuz of that first sin that the first woman and the first man did commit, so we must go through the whole life not to live and enjoy it merely, but also to find a remedy to that big sin, suffering, acting good as much as we can, to "gain" a place near God... but if you're not religious, it all changes, seems as if it's all a bunch of grey days, running away slowly and fastly at the same time: I used to be very religious, when I was lil' I studied in a place where all I saw every day was nuns only, I thank 'em for the education they gave me and for the studies they allowed me to make, but I got fed up about religion and its meaning; at the moment, I don't know if I believe in God or not, sometimes I do, sometimes I do not, I also disagree on lots of the ideas and concepts that Church always claimed, so maybe I could be defined a heretic? I'm not but uhh, get the fire ready then, but I can't help... and I'm not a witch either, just in case you were wondering what else I could have been if not a heretic. *jokes*
Anyway, dunno, but gotta admit that life has no purpose to me too... no point in doing all the things we daily do, no point in spending time to "contruct" our life and ourselves, no point in being good just to be good and cuz "someone taught us so, don't ask why do that: act like that and end of", no point in doing only what the others want us to do 'cause we feel alone and want to be appreciated... we must understand what we do and use our own brain, to demonstrate who we are to ourselves previously... I believe one of the things that count more is a thought, hence to think, because it's an amazing form of freedom.
Then, what is also fundamental, to me, is the process of converting the thought in action.... that allows us to be coherent, and credible in the eyes of the others... and still, I dunno what the purposes in life could be, and like Mick said there can be all the purposes one wants... but maybe, the real purpose could previously be to go on, to demonstrate that we're not gonna give up, despite the bad times we'll have lived, 'cause if we try our best and don't surrender, there's not biggest victory than standing tall, proud of ourselves and of what we did and who we are, until the end of our days... yes, we'll die, but this doesn't mean we'll die at all though, we can be immortal somehow, through the memory that other people will have of us, through the thoughts that they'll keep of us... yes, the thought, it's our first and greatest freedom, the one that noone will ever steal us, in a society where most of time there's no freedom at all.
I want to go in music as well. I know it's a common dream but somehow I just KNOW that I'm going to make it. This doesn't please my family though. They all want me to get a steady job/live a normal life so I will have a stable income and won't have money problems. I've always been in music and I know that I've only been playing for a year and five months, but I know that I've progressed faster than most and that my dedication is very present.
I remember when I was eight and I told my mom that I wanted to make music for a living. Ever since, I've been a burden to her about it
Know the feeling man, its the same here. My family want me to get a steady normal good paying job, a girl, marry her, get some kids, get a house, and live there till i die.
Just thinking about that, makes me want to kill myself. I actually think i have some sort of anxiety of ending up like that. A life, which has no meaning to me...
I want to work with music! I dont care if im poor, or if i struggle to get by, if i have to go hungry for a week because i had to use my last money to pay the bills, if i can work with music, i will be happy!
I don't care if i'm rich.. I dont care if i have a lot of money, i care if i have none, because bills need to be paid. Bills and food..
If i'm alone for the rest of my life, like, no girl again, ever.. If i live borderline poverty, but still get my music out there, and can play live. I would be a happy man, i would die happy with no regrets.
Maybe i'm weird, but lately i've been starting to put Music infront of love. What do you guys think of that? Is this a dangerous thought
?┼Victim of the Night┼;7301234 said:
I'm happy to see that both of you share my opinion on drugs and the ones who use them.. Or well, i guess i'm more extreme than you both, because i never hang around anyone who does drugs, and i would freeze out a friend if said friend started doing drugs.. I just cant take it! It makes me sick in so many ways, and i hate it so much.. It makes me sad when people stuff their body with chemicals that are lethal in high dosages(yes, alcohol is included, even though i drink myself) without any care for their own body. Why do they do it? Do they WANT to die? Why risk your life for something as trivial as an "experience"? I find it extremely egocentric tbh. Though i'm feeling that i'm gonna be labeled a hypocrite for that one, or something like that, i dont know.
But yes, people changing.. i hate that.. Atleast when its for no apparent reason, they have no real reason to change.. If its the cause of drugs, its such a huge letdown that i wont know what to do with myself, haha..
I think i would rather amputate my arms than try drugs.
┼Victim of the Night┼;7301234 said:And about life itself... you're right: considering that we all have to die at some point in time, actually there's no real purpose in life... ok, it depends on the concept one have of life though: if you're religious, then life "seems" to have a meaning and a purpose, like of a punishment God gave us cuz of that first sin that the first woman and the first man did commit, so we must go through the whole life not to live and enjoy it merely, but also to find a remedy to that big sin, suffering, acting good as much as we can, to "gain" a place near God... but if you're not religious, it all changes, seems as if it's all a bunch of grey days, running away slowly and fastly at the same time: I used to be very religious, when I was lil' I studied in a place where all I saw every day was nuns only, I thank 'em for the education they gave me and for the studies they allowed me to make, but I got fed up about religion and its meaning; at the moment, I don't know if I believe in God or not, sometimes I do, sometimes I do not, I also disagree on lots of the ideas and concepts that Church always claimed, so maybe I could be defined a heretic? I'm not but uhh, get the fire ready then, but I can't help... and I'm not a witch either, just in case you were wondering what else I could have been if not a heretic. *jokes*
Anyway, dunno, but gotta admit that life has no purpose to me too... no point in doing all the things we daily do, no point in spending time to "contruct" our life and ourselves, no point in being good just to be good and cuz "someone taught us so, don't ask why do that: act like that and end of", no point in doing only what the others want us to do 'cause we feel alone and want to be appreciated... we must understand what we do and use our own brain, to demonstrate who we are to ourselves previously... I believe one of the things that count more is a thought, hence to think, because it's an amazing form of freedom.
Then, what is also fundamental, to me, is the process of converting the thought in action.... that allows us to be coherent, and credible in the eyes of the others... and still, I dunno what the purposes in life could be, and like Mick said there can be all the purposes one wants... but maybe, the real purpose could previously be to go on, to demonstrate that we're not gonna give up, despite the bad times we'll have lived, 'cause if we try our best and don't surrender, there's not biggest victory than standing tall, proud of ourselves and of what we did and who we are, until the end of our days... yes, we'll die, but this doesn't mean we'll die at all though, we can be immortal somehow, through the memory that other people will have of us, through the thoughts that they'll keep of us... yes, the thought, it's our first and greatest freedom, the one that noone will ever steal us, in a society where most of time there's no freedom at all.
Hmm, a lot of interesting things here.. Life itself, if it has meaning or not, i think thats up to us. Terms of biology and evolution, our life only has meaning if we reproduce, or do something major to further the survival of mankind, but honestly i'm not interesting in doing either.
I feel that Life should only have a meaning to yourself. As long as you have something that prevents you from wanting to die, you have a meaning in life, well, generally atleast.
My "meaning in life", for me, is music! To make it, to shape a song, write lyrics, and hear it take life, to feel my fingers against the strings on the guitar, and my palm against the wood of the neck, my foot on a pedal, and the air around my, being pushed around by a massive amplifier.. That's when i feel truly alive..
But its not only this.. Its the little things too! Just sitting in a café with someone you care about, sharing some baked stuff, drinking a coffee with some friends while hanging outside a building.. Drinking beer at a pub, just having fun generally.. Playing videogames with your friends!
It makes life worth living.. However, if we werent mortal, it would not..
The things we love to do, the things that makes this life worth living for us, wouldnt matter to us if we were immortal. I mean, so what about all that? so what? Café? In a few decades, its gonna be gone. Then thousands of year passes, nothing changes, you just keep on living, because you cannot die.
I think that a part of why we live, is because we die.
(inb4 cheesy)
Hm. I think i'm even more disorganized than you Nick
Conti
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are we still talking philosophy?
If we are.
You can zip back to a moment a week ago like it just happened. You live moment by moment and can visit back to memories whenever you want. You can look forward to something and when it happens you can remember that. When you feel a certain pleasure you only expereince it for those small moments, you can never visit it again the same, so whats the point? When a year passes you think "wow that was fast" like the year just started. If we only live moment by moment and can think back like this, is our life only a moment long?
If we are.
You can zip back to a moment a week ago like it just happened. You live moment by moment and can visit back to memories whenever you want. You can look forward to something and when it happens you can remember that. When you feel a certain pleasure you only expereince it for those small moments, you can never visit it again the same, so whats the point? When a year passes you think "wow that was fast" like the year just started. If we only live moment by moment and can think back like this, is our life only a moment long?
KillerGon
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Sorry to be so blunt, but your friends are a bunch of retards. Don't blame weed on the stupid mental reactions of these fags.
OvSeth
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I didn't and I'm sorry if I did! I've already explained to you that I don't blame their actions on it, and I've told you that I actually support the people that smoke it, don't get me wrong!
But she DID amplify her schizophrenia, in a way, by smoking 2-5 grams per day every day, and I don't think that you can deny it
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KillerGon
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Of course... weed tend to grow emotions.
That's why you shouldn't smoke if you're depressed cause it will make you feel... more depressed!
If that chick was a fucking nutcase, she shouldn't have smoked in the first place.
That's why you shouldn't smoke if you're depressed cause it will make you feel... more depressed!
If that chick was a fucking nutcase, she shouldn't have smoked in the first place.
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Dead Hands Justin
I definitely understand your point of view; I found what you said helpful, however I am also "certain enough to be uncertain" as you put it. I don't really think that my way is the only way, but I do feel that it is the best way to rationalize my existence at this point. I should have said that violence can be useful. Like you said, people's lives can be saved and a better future can be assured through it. But whenever someone starts to act like a prick to me for no reason and call me names etc., I feel as if I would be brought to a lower level if I reacted aggressively. I do feel a slight sympathy for the morons I am forced to be around. I want to be a good example for them. My life has been rough and I have been mistreated, but I still want to help those who were not so nice to me. There are so many factors that could have shaped their personalities...
I think you are right when you said that they don't control all of their actions.
They most likely were not taught to.
LOL at the whole "fag" thing!!
I think it is so weird that someone can call something gay that obviously isn't.
Like we would be playing basket ball and a person would miss the shot and they would be like "that is so gay!".
What does a your shitty shot have to do with being a homosexual?
I think it has something to do with the word queer used in the context to explain something out of place. They could have associated the word queer with gay or something. Hell if I know.
That experiment sounds embarrassing for a homophobe
Yeah its strange how words can adopt new meanings in the span of a few years. Being a good example is the only thing you can really do, but in order for it to be a really good example you'd have to be friends with them to get them to change and make better decisions. Violence is like a hammer. If you have no other tools then every problem will look like a nail.
Lussi
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Studies have shown that so long as you're not smoking ≥ 5 joints per day, there are really no negative health effects.....which means you're essentially stoned all day every day.But she DID amplify her schizophrenia, in a way, by smoking 2-5 grams per day every day, and I don't think that you can deny it
Life is about moderation.
Also....Salvia is not a drug that should be done recreationally, in fact....I really don't think it should be done at all. Everyone I've ever known to try it says it's not enjoyable....and why do something that isn't enjoyable? Just for the sake of it? No thank you.
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Dead Hands Justin
┼Victim of the Night┼;7301234 said:
You seem to a very judgmental person. you said "Sorry but it's proved" and I'm going to say by who? BY you, otherwise then it isn't 'proved' its told to you and you accept it to be truth. The aspects that you describe seem to be only from you specific interactions with people or the things that people have relayed to you. You try to prove your feelings and beliefs through rationalizing and scare tactics, which unless you are a little kid, probably doesn't work. In my defense of course I smoke weed, and to me I feel fine, I function fine, and I haven't changed anymore then anyone else who lives, learns, and changes. We are constantly changing. We are not beings in stagnation, but constantly changing and constantly evolving. A fact that you 'proved' is bullshit that is spouted by the anti-drug people in order to control your behavior. Weed is not a gateway drug, and it is not addicting. How do I know this? Well lets see, I only smoke weed, and I take NOTHING ELSE. I don't even take perscription drugs because more often then not, they are even worse for you then street drugs, and certainly worse then Marijuana which is a plant that grows and needs no processing to enjoy the fruits."it can make you not social and aggressive, less cheerful, get excessively moody", no, you make yourself non social, less aggressive, less cheerful and excessively moody." You know, that description sounds more like someone on an SSRI then pot. Here is a first hand experience of weed and what it actually does to you, just so you can get you facts straight.
1. It makes you high. This feeling Can be either a heavy body buzz if it is more indica, or a head buzz if it is more sativa.
2. It makes people become more of what they already are. As said earlier. I find most people it makes them happier and friendlier.
3. If you are smoking weed with your friends how is that not being social again??
4. It stimulates the appetite, gets rid of nausea, and makes everything taste better.
5. Its a break from the normal stresses of life which are the real reason people have sickness and illness.
6. If you gave it the tag of medicine then does it no longer become threatening to you and your straight-edge mentality?
I will tell you a few reasons why people choose to smoke marijuana. For one, you only do live once, and why be on your deathbed and saying that you never experienced something that will not kill you, just because you believe what someone else says about it?
There is a conspiracy as to why Marijuana is illegal and if you knew the history of that you may change your mind about it and the people who use it for its medical benefits.
And about life itself... you're right: considering that we all have to die at some point in time, actually there's no real purpose in life... ok, it depends on the concept one have of life though: if you're religious, then life "seems" to have a meaning and a purpose, like of a punishment God gave us cuz of that first sin that the first woman and the first man did commit, so we must go through the whole life not to live and enjoy it merely, but also to find a remedy to that big sin, suffering, acting good as much as we can, to "gain" a place near God... but if you're not religious, it all changes, seems as if it's all a bunch of grey days, running away slowly and fastly at the same time: I used to be very religious, when I was lil' I studied in a place where all I saw every day was nuns only, I thank 'em for the education they gave me and for the studies they allowed me to make, but I got fed up about religion and its meaning; at the moment, I don't know if I believe in God or not, sometimes I do, sometimes I do not, I also disagree on lots of the ideas and concepts that Church always claimed, so maybe I could be defined a heretic? I'm not but uhh, get the fire ready then, but I can't help... and I'm not a witch either, just in case you were wondering what else I could have been if not a heretic. *jokes*
You really have to push those old harmful christian beliefs way out into the distance and dim it so you can't even see them anymore. Christianity is not something that is good for you. It scares me that you see days now as grey and in crazy time distortions. You do realize that it is your brain that interprets reality and the reality that you think you see out there in the real world is not what you actually experience right? Think of your believes like filters for the world. If you believe in god, that is going to change how you react to different things in your life. While you believe that 'drugs are bad' do ph@rmacuticals fit that role as drugs are bad, if not, then you are totally a hypocrite and should seriously re-examine why you believe certain things. Deconstruction of beliefs is important to do, as you will find that sometimes what has motivated you to believe one thing, is really for someone else's benefit, and not your own, which is the only real benefit you should be worried about.
Why do you view days after god, as grey and timeless? To me, everyday is beautiful, bright and clear, it makes me feel great to be alive for one more day, and that motivates me to be the best that I can be every single day. Like many people, you have been installed with useless and sometimes dangerous beliefs. Why do I know so much about this? Well I am becoming a hypnotist and NLPer and have been studying things like change work which to me is what I love. I don't like being around a world full of miserable people who beat themselves up on the inside, harass themselves constantly by saying to themselves negative beliefs like, "I'd can't do that, I'm not that type of person" and "You can't do that, you not 'smart, strong, beautiful, etc' enough".
As a final note, I agree with the fact that any drug which is highly addictive and harmful, such as the really hard drugs like, Heroin(also Oxys, perks, opium, morphine, etc), Amphetamines(hell they can make you heart explode), Crack(obvious), Cocaine(its never pure so you never know what your snorting), Ecstasy (it can burn out your happy chemicals), and any other synthetic drug are just not worth the risk of permanent damage. As for Shrooms, they are relatively harmless and can open peoples eyes to the plasticity of how reality is.
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Dead Hands Justin
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Dead Hands Justin
So shall we cut them off with a hand saw, chainsaw, or BONESAW, because if you have never done drugs, and never will do drugs, then well with the exception of alcohol (just for you
) then you must have never seen a doctor and never been given a prescription or at least never taken the prescription and somehow managed to heal from all your illnesses from sheer will power. So I'm sure as I cut through your arms you will be able to grow them back with the same will power you had to not ever once in your life take any drugs for anything, not even aspirin for a headache! If I could do that, then I'd think I was better then everyone else as well, because I would be.
Lussi
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Smoking pot is not worst than drinking alcohol. Everyone reacts differently to pot. I quit smoking pot because I was exhausted at one point, and it wasn't enjoyable anymore. Now i can enjoy it a bit more but I rarely smoke. My friends smoke and they are fine, they study, they work, they have a social life, they are really smart etc... But when some of them drink, they become agressive and they don't remember what they did when they were drunk. We react differently to alcohol and durgs.
Well, it is not that easy to quit smoking pot (such as smoking cigs, drinking alcohol or other drugs) and its not all about fun so it's inappropriate to say that they arent aware of that just for the sake of fun. They know its not good for them, but for some of them they need it. I wish they will be able to quit it someday but it's not a burden for their everyday lives.
Well, it is not that easy to quit smoking pot (such as smoking cigs, drinking alcohol or other drugs) and its not all about fun so it's inappropriate to say that they arent aware of that just for the sake of fun. They know its not good for them, but for some of them they need it. I wish they will be able to quit it someday but it's not a burden for their everyday lives.
