Philosophy- Discuss Here

[Altitudes]

I don't know about this homosexual thing....it just seems so unnatural to me. I can understand love between 2 persons of the same sex, but sexual love and sexual attraction? It just doesn't seem right. You don't see male dogs going around and humping other male dogs. Nor do you see female cats calling to other female cats when they're in heat.

Yes they do

I have also tried to hang out with only the "intellectual" people, and sooner or later you come to realize what arrogant douchebags they really are. You're completely right with that superiority complex they have. And all that bullshit about "oh I had my party days when I was younger, so I'm not going to drink now" is completely fake. Basically they're not big drinkers, nor are they party people, and they don't want to seem like dorks saying otherwise.

*hides*

 

[Mystique1721]

lol wtf? aren't you only like 17

 

[Demonite]

It's cool that you admire yourself. But being that you're only 17, you will have some mental changes in the years to come. And you remind me of another 17 year old that I know, who is actually very arrogant (not saying that you are) because he takes pride in the fact he tries to appear intellectual. He smokes cigars and drinks brandy and dresses kind of old-school. I hope you're not like that....but even if you are, whatever I guess. It could only be a phase at this point

hmmm..I dont really "try" to be anything. I just kind of act on impulse. Your 17 year old sounds like he has some self esteem issues

I believe that what a person is is more important than how they want to appear

 

[Mystique1721]

hmmm..I dont really "try" to be anything. I just kind of act on impulse. Your 17 year old sounds like he has some self esteem issues

I believe that what a person is is more important than how they want to appear

That is true. But people always have the tendency to try prove who they are. That's why kids like that 17 year old I know act the way they do. I mean, sure, go ahead and drink your brandy and smoke your cigars, but why brag about the fact that you do it? Obviously to try to show everyone who you are. And yeah, you're right about the self esteem issues. If you like who you are and are confident in yourself, then there's no need to prove anything.

 

[Demonite]

You know, I kinda had a similar experience whilst growing up. Now, much like you, I have a select bunch of friends who are intelligent enough to have meaningful conversations with, instead of inane chatter about nothing. Keep in mind that you never really 'know' anything, that there is always something to learn, and at the point where you are certain of yourself and things you know, be certain enough to be uncertain. Allow yourself to ask the questions like, 'what am I not noticing about what I know?' or 'What else could work?'. Stay away from ideas and beliefs that would limit you and what you can achieve, if someone can do it, then as long as your brain cells are there, you can learn it too. You may believe that violence is for the ignorant, but keep in mind that anything is useful. Violence can keep a loved one safe. Violence can prevent you from being killed. That is just one example how a belief that seems well thought out can be just as harmful as one you are attempting to not have. I live in a small town who are comprised mostly of 'morons' and to think of them this way is quite a harsh judgment. Realize that, yes there are people who make really bad decisions, people who's actions and words reflect something on the inside that they are dealing with, and so the only real difference is that while they are trapped by the social conditions and limiting beliefs that have been installed into their life by random events and unhelpful authority figures, that they really don't control their actions as much as you may think.

They are either motivated to do something because they are attracted towards it, or they are motivated to do something because they are trying to get away from isomething.

About the insults. It's kind of funny when you reframe that insult of "Fag". When I hear people say it now, it changes it to sound like a question, as if they are trying to find other homosexuals to join them in their quaint homosexual activities. Hell I heard of a study done to straight men where they hooked their cocks up to a device that measured their sexual arousal. Before the experiment they asked a series of questions and they found a certain percent of them where homophobes. The experiment was showing the straight men various erotic homosexual scenes to measure the arousal level. The straight non homophobic men had no arousal whereas the homophobics had arousal. What does this prove? Probably that if you have something like, "he's a fag" on you mind all the time, it means that you are thinking about it a lot and there is probably a good reason for it, because they are really Homosexuals and in denial.

I definitely understand your point of view; I found what you said helpful, however I am also "certain enough to be uncertain" as you put it. I don't really think that my way is the only way, but I do feel that it is the best way to rationalize my existence at this point. I should have said that violence can be useful. Like you said, people's lives can be saved and a better future can be assured through it. But whenever someone starts to act like a prick to me for no reason and call me names etc., I feel as if I would be brought to a lower level if I reacted aggressively. I do feel a slight sympathy for the morons I am forced to be around. I want to be a good example for them. My life has been rough and I have been mistreated, but I still want to help those who were not so nice to me. There are so many factors that could have shaped their personalities...

I think you are right when you said that they don't control all of their actions.
They most likely were not taught to.

LOL at the whole "fag" thing!!

I think it is so weird that someone can call something gay that obviously isn't.
Like we would be playing basket ball and a person would miss the shot and they would be like "that is so gay!".

What does a your shitty shot have to do with being a homosexual?

I think it has something to do with the word queer used in the context to explain something out of place. They could have associated the word queer with gay or something. Hell if I know.

That experiment sounds embarrassing for a homophobe

Sometimes I wonder about some of the people around here...they play grabass and call each other fags

 

[Demonite]

That is true. But people always have the tendency to try prove who they are. That's why kids like that 17 year old I know act the way they do. I mean, sure, go ahead and drink your brandy and smoke your cigars, but why brag about the fact that you do it? Obviously to try to show everyone who you are. And yeah, you're right about the self esteem issues. If you like who you are and are confident in yourself, then there's no need to prove anything.

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Besides, anyone could drink brandy and smoke cigars

That doesnt prove anything!

 

[OvSeth]

I don't have to prove who I am, I just live. I've been called an idiot because I've never smoked pot before, but it's a personal choice, I don't care about what they say. Most of my friends are probably trying out Salvia Divinorum tonight and have asked me several times to try it out. I've always said no and that won't change. Some of my friends have smoked so much that all they can talked about is "conspiracy" and other stuff like that. One of my friends is now schizophrenic because she smoked too much weed, and I just find it pitiful. I'm not saying that she didn't have that "state of mind" before she started smoking and I'm not saying that the stuff should be completely off limits to EVERYONE (In fact, I don't even care if people want to smoke it or not, if it makes them happy) but what I'm saying is it changes people, and opinions change. To get back to where I was going. With the "conspiracy" thing, sometimes they think so much about it and how we're all sheep and we only follow our leaders to get killed by a war, they go crazy and think that there's no way of surviving, that there's not point in living.

If you think about it in a way, they IS no point in living, but if you think about it too much, you'll probably end up committing suicide and/or go crazy. I've surprised myself thinking about it and getting mad for no reason! In a sense, I said all of that to ask you one question. Is there a point in going to school, getting a low or high paying job, living an organized life and eventually dying, probably with kids and a husband/wife, while doing the exact same thing every day, with a few exceptions? It's been in my head and I'm not sure if it belongs here, as I'm really confused of the subject of philosophy.

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P.S You can "tl;dr" if you want, but it'd help to have a few answers. I'm in a point of like where sometimes I don't feel as there's a point in all of this, because I have strong mixed opinions. No, I didn't re-read what I wrote so most of it probably doesn't make sense and I'm probably showing mixed opinons/going against myself in most of it, but it's what I feel and it's really fucked up.

Thanks.

 

[Altitudes]

lol wtf? aren't you only like 17

I meant the parts about trying to prove my intellect to others and that bit about saying I will not drink but do so anyways. After re-reading, most of it didn't apply to me anyways

Squeee- That is perfectly normal. Life can be as purposeful as you wish.

 

[Demonite]

I don't have to prove who I am, I just live. I've been called an idiot because I've never smoked pot before, but it's a personal choice, I don't care about what they say. Most of my friends are probably trying out Salvia Divinorum tonight and have asked me several times to try it out. I've always said no and that won't change. Some of my friends have smoked so much that all they can talked about is "conspiracy" and other stuff like that. One of my friends is now schizophrenic because she smoked too much weed, and I just find it pitiful. I'm not saying that she didn't have that "state of mind" before she started smoking and I'm not saying that the stuff should be completely off limits to EVERYONE (In fact, I don't even care if people want to smoke it or not, if it makes them happy) but what I'm saying is it changes people, and opinions change. To get back to where I was going. With the "conspiracy" thing, sometimes they think so much about it and how we're all sheep and we only follow our leaders to get killed by a war, they go crazy and think that there's no way of surviving, that there's not point in living.

If you think about it in a way, they IS no point in living, but if you think about it too much, you'll probably end up committing suicide and/or go crazy. I've surprised myself thinking about it and getting mad for no reason! In a sense, I said all of that to ask you one question. Is there a point in going to school, getting a low or high paying job, living an organized life and eventually dying, probably with kids and a husband/wife, while doing the exact same thing every day, with a few exceptions? It's been in my head and I'm not sure if it belongs here, as I'm really confused of the subject of philosophy.

[/long and disorganized rant]

P.S You can "tl;dr" if you want, but it'd help to have a few answers. I'm in a point of like where sometimes I don't feel as there's a point in all of this, because I have strong mixed opinions. No, I didn't re-read what I wrote so most of it probably doesn't make sense and I'm probably showing mixed opinons/going against myself in most of it, but it's what I feel and it's really fucked up.

Thanks.

I don't like it when people want to get high all the time and waste their lives doing it all the time. I'm not saying that I disapprove of the drug. It is an amazing meditation tool. If people want to waste their lives, it is their choice.

I've thought about those things a lot. There is no real concrete conclusion. I just keep hoping that after following my heart in life, that there is some kind of after life where you are still... you. I'm not a religious person, but I can understand how a creator could be there. I used to be a Christian because of my US Southern upbringing, but now I think that pretty much anything is possible. Maybe all the religions point towards one thing. Maybe we are being controlled. Who knows?


p.s Sorry my advice sucks. All I have to say is follow your heart.

 

[Altitudes]

Who knows?

*raises hand*

 

[OvSeth]

I meant the parts about trying to prove my intellect to others and that bit about saying I will not drink but do so anyways. After re-reading, most of it didn't apply to me anyways

Squeee- That is perfectly normal. Life can be as purposeful as you wish.

Yeah, that's what I thought too, just helps to get other's opinions once in a while . Thanks for answering.

I don't like it when people want to get high all the time and waste their lives doing it all the time. I'm not saying that I disapprove of the drug. It is an amazing meditation tool. If people want to waste their lives, it is their choice.

I've thought about those things a lot. There is no real concrete conclusion. I just keep hoping that after following my heart in life, that there is some kind of after life where you are still... you. I'm not a religious person, but I can understand how a creator could be there. I used to be a Christian because of my US Southern upbringing, but now I think that pretty much anything is possible. Maybe all the religions point towards one thing. Maybe we are being controlled. Who knows?


p.s Sorry my advice sucks. All I have to say is follow your heart.

Your advice does not suck! I have the same opinion as you do, but it's a bit hard to follow your heart when you don't go where you're going with life .

Thank you as well.

 

[Demonite]

*raises hand*

Go ahead...

Fill me in on the meaning of existence

 

[Demonite]

Yeah, that's what I thought too, just helps to get other's opinions once in a while . Thanks for answering.



Your advice does not suck! I have the same opinion as you do, but it's a bit hard to follow your heart when you don't go where you're going with life .

Thank you as well.

You are welcome
So you are unsure of what your future holds?
For me, I always knew that I would be in music some how or another. At the age of 5 I was head banging and singing along with Ozzy and Danzig songs

Now I am in a kick ass band as a lead guitarist and back up vocalist that is getting ready to make a demo.

So what do you think you want to do?

 

[OvSeth]

I want to go in music as well. I know it's a common dream but somehow I just KNOW that I'm going to make it. This doesn't please my family though. They all want me to get a steady job/live a normal life so I will have a stable income and won't have money problems. I've always been in music and I know that I've only been playing for a year and five months, but I know that I've progressed faster than most and that my dedication is very present.

I remember when I was eight and I told my mom that I wanted to make music for a living. Ever since, I've been a burden to her about it .

 

[Demonite]

I want to go in music as well. I know it's a common dream but somehow I just KNOW that I'm going to make it. This doesn't please my family though. They all want me to get a steady job/live a normal life so I will have a stable income and won't have money problems. I've always been in music and I know that I've only been playing for a year and five months, but I know that I've progressed faster than most and that my dedication is very present.

I remember when I was eight and I told my mom that I wanted to make music for a living. Ever since, I've been a burden to her about it .

I feel the exact same way. I feel as if there is an absolution in my success. Music is my everything. It is my religion, my love, and my soul. I too have had a fast progression in my abilities due to overwhelming dedication. It is hard to get these feelings through to people, but when it comes down to it, you are the one who decides what your future is. Plus, there are some people who truly have "it" when it comes to music. "It" can be defined as the ability to understand and feel the music.I have always had "it". If you have "it" then I think it is a matter of determination afterwards.

It is so hard to get these feelings through to the world. They are so extreme that it compromises your stance to even try and put these insanely complex feelings into words.

 

[OvSeth]

Yes!

 

[Crzy_Aus]

I feel the exact same way. I feel as if there is an absolution in my success. Music is my everything. It is my religion, my love, and my soul. I too have had a fast progression in my abilities due to overwhelming dedication. It is hard to get these feelings through to people, but when it comes down to it, you are the one who decides what your future is. Plus, there are some people who truly have "it" when it comes to music. "It" can be defined as the ability to understand and feel the music.I have always had "it". If you have "it" then I think it is a matter of determination afterwards.

It is so hard to get these feelings through to the world. They are so extreme that it compromises your stance to even try and put these insanely complex feelings into words.

Then put them into music

Seriously though, fate is a tricky thing, but determination always helps. It's up to random chance if everything comes out as well as you want it to. Personally, I try to work on creating the most reliable possibilities for myself, but who knows how it will turn out...

 

[Demonite]

Then put them into music

Seriously though, fate is a tricky thing, but determination always helps. It's up to random chance if everything comes out as well as you want it to. Personally, I try to work on creating the most reliable possibilities for myself, but who knows how it will turn out...

I do. Music is the only way that I know of for me to express these feelings.

I know what you mean. It will be hard making the right decisions for the future, but I feel up to the challenge.

 

[Demonite]

Yes!

 

[Crzy_Aus]

I know exactly what you're talking about. I have also tried to hang out with only the "intellectual" people, and sooner or later you come to realize what arrogant douchebags they really are. You're completely right with that superiority complex they have. And all that bullshit about "oh I had my party days when I was younger, so I'm not going to drink now" is completely fake. Basically they're not big drinkers, nor are they party people, and they don't want to seem like dorks saying otherwise.

Now days all my friends are very "normal" people. Like they're not really smart (nor do they listen to good music, haha) but I like them because they're genuine. They have good hearts and good intentions, and don't necessarily go around trying to prove themselves to everybody.

Although my few friends are a variety of different people, I still disagree with your post. I feel like I'd rather hang out with someone who I can have a sensible talk with - like a conversation topic that goes beyond "that chick last night" and "when I went to class with a hangover again". It's not really superiority complex, it's a defence mechanism of one "group" against the other, just like punks defy the world, or metalheads ridicule rappers. For all it's worth, not drinking is a healthier lifestyle anyway, and I won't drink if I know that circumstances won't let me drink sensibly. Thus, some people find it a bad idea to party Friday night through Monday morning like your "average person" . I just find myself unable to have a conversation with them - they are uninteresting.

Maybe our definitions of "average" tend to differ. The "average" people I know spend half of their life stoned (if not more than that). On the other hand, it is also very untrue that one needs to be dumb in order to be genuine.

Or, maybe I am just an arrogant douchebag writing tl;dr posts on a metal forum