Andy Laudano said:
Ah, newbies! Gotta love'em. If you wanna have any credibility at all you gotta pick someone else to slam other than legends like Dio and Joe Lynn Turner! Otherwise it's back to music appreciation and metal history 101. Without bands like Dio and Rainbow there never would have been any power metal.
I can undestand someone who just does't like Jorn's voice or his style of singing. But when someone says he doesn't even belong at a ProgPower fest, they're only showing their own ignorance. All power metal does not have to sound like Helloween!
Someone can be impactful in terms of influencing many people and changing or revolutionizing the music industry, like Jimi Hendrix, but just because they revolutionize music, does it necessarily that they're timeless talents, that there aren't many much better players, or that things haven't gotten better?
I mean Jimi Hendrix is legendary, and yes we wouldnt have power metal without Led Zepplin, or other people, but that doesn't mean that the standards of musicianship haven't progressed and gotten better in certain genres. Jimi Hendrix was impactful, but do you think he's a better player than some of the top power metal or progressive metal players (perhaps Kiko Loureiro, Pettrucci, Romeo from Symphony X)? I certainly don't think so. I respectfully disagree with you without needing to resort to a condesending tone as someone has. What Hendrix did I think is edged us closer to better more perfected/excellent playing in the realm of rock and radically changed the scene. He's radical, and legendary, but I'm sorry he's not the best guitarrist.
Also I think there are people who are legendary but not necessarily timeless talents, Joe Lynn Turner, Dio, (sorry but whatever). Beethoven, Bach, are both legendary
and timeless. Eddie Van Halen is legendary and I think could be categorized as timeless. Kansas the same thing perhaps.
Though I think no matter when in history you talk about Dio, Lynn Turner, or NEWEST Jorn or OLDEST Jorn, gritty, non versatile, repetative, lackluster singing that reflects more so of a grunt, growl, or talking voice, I don't think is better than clean, powerful singing..you know, singing, not talking? One is born with the abillity to talk. But in regards to singing it takes alot of discipline, practice, skill, and development to do well..as it is in sports. TIMELESS QUALITY is what I'm talking about. Excellence. If they incorporate other things WITH singing (in regards to growls grunts or grittyness), since it seems they're supposed to be singers mainly, that's cool. A wider pallette can be really enjoyable if they do it tastefully
with excellence...but man..
If you read the interview with Jorn in the ProgPower booklet, HE HIMSELF says that he's INTENTIONALLY lowering the QUALITY of his voice and music. No more power metal, no more experimentation, growth, or change. He wants a signature, expected, predictable sound. I don't see how anyone who values real or good music, let alone art and creativity, thinks that that is good. It may be good as far as trying to market yourself to the masses, but I don't think that's a good move artistically, especially not good for a progressive metal audience. Without growth, a contingent thing dies.
Last thing I wanted to say was to defend the statement I made that I don't think Jorns music choice and intention belonged in PROGPower. I mean, Prog/Power metal means something. It's not non prog/power metal. Its different from straight up rock, classic rock, and straight up metal. What Jorn did was mostly oldies classic rock type stuff, newer LESSENED QUALITY singing (as HE HIMSELF ADMITTS) and music, and did the same exact thing with his voice for most of the set..This was a Progressive/Power Metal festival. Do you think we should expect to see rap, strict blues, or traditional harp players playing that kind of music at this festival? Since its a progressive/power metal festival I for one don't expect to see non progressive, non power metal acts. You can have those things INCLUDED in the set (though rap is pushing it
, if most of what you see is classic rock, I'm sorry but I dont see how that should be presented in this fest. IF he did Mastermind that would have been appropriate and would have made sense and fit within the context of the fesitival. If someone wants to go the marketing route and do stuff you see on American Idol, or use that same mentality when creating "music" I don't see why they can't do it..but I don't understand why it should be something included in a fesitval that is not about that. While there are wide and various things you can do with progressive and power metal, it cannot be stretched to reach things that go completely outside of its definition and yet STILL be considered progressive or power metal.
It doesn't matter WHO is playing, if they aren't doing something within the definition of progressive or power metal, one shouldnt expect to see it at a progressive power metal festival..
put it plain and simple Jorn wasn't doing progressive or power metal, so I don't know why that selection he made/play list and intention was included in the fest. It was not only not progressive, nor power metal, but it also wasn't that good either. LESS than the expected quality...as he himself is wanting it that way.
BTW didn't Helloween help set the definition of what power metal is?