Iki-ilkkuja
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This is exactly what I thought this would turn into. Watershed is not an album that you'll praise as a masterpiece in an instant. It takes time and now people are finally understanding it.
Rate Watershed on 5
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ramses
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Yeah, this happens after every Opeth album is released...."it's not as good as the last one" It will be the least favorite, until the next one comes out, and then a bunch of the guys will be clamoring to be the first to be "cool"- by saying it's the worst ever.
The Morrigan
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Yes, that's got to be it, because all Opeth albums being flawless regardless of opinion, the only reason why one could claim to dislike it is in order to be COOL
And what's with all this constructive criticism eh, totally irrelevant. As you said, everyone is just trying to be 'cool'...
in_my_time_of_disease
Whipping Post
Gonna give it a 4. It is a low 4 however. 3.5 is too low and 4 is a little high but I'll settle with 4. The initial hard on would have me rating it at least 4 maybe a 4.5 but now that the dust has settled it's a low 4. I do quite like all the songs minus PH. Overall it is a obviously a good album. But it is a shadow of their once invincible selves. IMO each album after BWP is slightly worse than the previous and while IMO WS is better than GR it isn't by much.
The last two albums have had a significant thorn in their sides names TGC and PH stopping them from being anywhere close to the trilogy of ridiculousness that is mayh, sl and bwp. For a 9th album it is impressive as it is by no means awful. I mean PH being the weakest track imo isn't shit it just pales in comparison to the rest of the songs let alone any song before GR. Production and his vocal especially were a highlight and the new members seemed to have slot in well. But iyam the songwriting isn't close to the otherworldly level they reached at their peak.
Tbh Opeth were for me invincible to all other metal bands for quite some time and GR made them very vulnerable to being taken over the top spot in metal that they had held for so long. But WS unfortunately didn't stop them from being taken over. What goes up must come down, I'm just glad it didn't come crashing down and they are going out gracefully. Still arguably my favorite metal band and a top 5 favorite band of all time for me. They have made numerous classic albums which I will always love. They will always be arguably the most influential band for me; certainly of my adult life.
But Watershed however is not a classic album imo, but a more than acceptable album at this stage of a bands life and a good enough album that even after 15 years they are still one of the best. It's replay level is still pretty big as Lotus, Burden and Hessian are up to the standards with some of the previous works imo. But I can't see myself listening to PH very often at all. Derelict Herds is good, nothing incredible however I don't mind the covers. I especially liked Den ständiga resan. So, in conclusion I am pleased with it, but the fanboy in me wanted another masterpiece and their top spot held, but alas they had their peak and what a peak it was. Most bands won't make one album at the level of Still Life for example, I'm happy we have numerous and they are aging without everything turning to shit. All this being said WS does have moments of genius, but the albums in their peak were crammed full of genius. They set such a high standard which has barely been met by many albums let alone bands. Though I have to say 08 is the first year where Opeth were significantly beaten in a year by another Metal band. Ala Esoteric. GR didn't get the best of 05 but it wasn't heavily beaten. But this is TMV we are talking about.
The last two albums have had a significant thorn in their sides names TGC and PH stopping them from being anywhere close to the trilogy of ridiculousness that is mayh, sl and bwp. For a 9th album it is impressive as it is by no means awful. I mean PH being the weakest track imo isn't shit it just pales in comparison to the rest of the songs let alone any song before GR. Production and his vocal especially were a highlight and the new members seemed to have slot in well. But iyam the songwriting isn't close to the otherworldly level they reached at their peak.
Tbh Opeth were for me invincible to all other metal bands for quite some time and GR made them very vulnerable to being taken over the top spot in metal that they had held for so long. But WS unfortunately didn't stop them from being taken over. What goes up must come down, I'm just glad it didn't come crashing down and they are going out gracefully. Still arguably my favorite metal band and a top 5 favorite band of all time for me. They have made numerous classic albums which I will always love. They will always be arguably the most influential band for me; certainly of my adult life.
But Watershed however is not a classic album imo, but a more than acceptable album at this stage of a bands life and a good enough album that even after 15 years they are still one of the best. It's replay level is still pretty big as Lotus, Burden and Hessian are up to the standards with some of the previous works imo. But I can't see myself listening to PH very often at all. Derelict Herds is good, nothing incredible however I don't mind the covers. I especially liked Den ständiga resan. So, in conclusion I am pleased with it, but the fanboy in me wanted another masterpiece and their top spot held, but alas they had their peak and what a peak it was. Most bands won't make one album at the level of Still Life for example, I'm happy we have numerous and they are aging without everything turning to shit. All this being said WS does have moments of genius, but the albums in their peak were crammed full of genius. They set such a high standard which has barely been met by many albums let alone bands. Though I have to say 08 is the first year where Opeth were significantly beaten in a year by another Metal band. Ala Esoteric. GR didn't get the best of 05 but it wasn't heavily beaten. But this is TMV we are talking about.
Korlich
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"IMO each album after BWP is slightly worse than the previous and while IMO WS is better than GR it isn't by much."
You contradict yourself in one sentence.
You contradict yourself in one sentence
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Seikojin
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I say 4.5 compared to other musics... On an Opeth scale, I can't pass judgement on it until I give it a few more weeks. I really like the way the music is composed now. Some things sound different, but this is opeth, and that is something they do. Different things on each album.
Its like last Saturday... I saw a 10, and then I saw what would be an 11, so I reset my scale so that the 11 was a 10 and the 10 was a 9.
Nathan_lol
Sex Babies
in_my_time_of_disease
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I said WS was a slight exception as it was a little better than GR. Otherwise what I said still stands."IMO each album after BWP is slightly worse than the previous and while IMO WS is better than GR it isn't by much."
You contradict yourself in one sentence
nocturno91
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Gave it a 4... I'd consider it less than their greatest work (which would be Blackwater Park, which would get a 5 if the sound quality was better), but it is excellent. Lots of brilliant moments on this disc.
BefriendedUnit
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I gave it a 4. I'd like to hear it re-produced by SW.
Who himself said that Mikael and Bogren had absolutely out-produced him.
VejaMeita
New Metal Member
I give it a 4.
Hex Omega has been on repeat since getting the cd in my car. There are lots of little intrincities to each song that I find amazing. I don't give it a 5 because I feel, when listening to Mikael's growls on Watershed vs. Bloodbath... I think it sounds alot different between the two bands and different from previous Opeth albums. (Granted Bloodbath is not Opeth, but still the same guy behind the microphone). By different I mean more.. processed? I can't put my finger on it exactly. Regardless... I love that he's experimenting with different vocal sounds I think alot of them really work for him (His blues-y sounding tone on Burden).
Also, Watershed lyrics vs. MAYH/Still Life lyrics. Lyrics on other albums seemed to have alot more substance.
And the reversed vocals/lyrics in Hessian Peel make me cringe, but 5:46 seconds or so into the song... and I get goosebumps all over again.
Hex Omega has been on repeat since getting the cd in my car. There are lots of little intrincities to each song that I find amazing. I don't give it a 5 because I feel, when listening to Mikael's growls on Watershed vs. Bloodbath... I think it sounds alot different between the two bands and different from previous Opeth albums. (Granted Bloodbath is not Opeth, but still the same guy behind the microphone). By different I mean more.. processed? I can't put my finger on it exactly. Regardless... I love that he's experimenting with different vocal sounds I think alot of them really work for him (His blues-y sounding tone on Burden).
Also, Watershed lyrics vs. MAYH/Still Life lyrics. Lyrics on other albums seemed to have alot more substance.
And the reversed vocals/lyrics in Hessian Peel make me cringe, but 5:46 seconds or so into the song... and I get goosebumps all over again.
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