Religion and shit

[Kochon]

Well, my rule nr.1 is you need to explain what "god" stands for to you before questioning 'his' existence. Do you mean you don't believe in the old man with a beard sitting on a cloud at the edge of Heaven's castle? Neither do I. But if you actually understand what the hell it means, god is actually a synonym to love, to express it as simply as possible. So you either fail to understand the symbolism, or refuse to. I think I understand the meaning behind the word, but when I'm discussing things, I never use the word God (NEVER bring religions into universal science, it's so annoying) but rather use something like "universal love." As for soul, I think that's not something difficult to understand at all, the term is even used in modern psychology. It's not a pale blue ghost entity that drifts away from your body when you die.. you should understand this yourself, I don't even need to explain..

Scientifically the universe is such a marvellous place I don't even consider it too hard to believe consciousness excels after the passing of our physical body. When we take that to science, it's been proven with tests there's actually vibrations of consciousness in TISSUES both flesh and plant.

In my opinion, claiming we're just "meat and bones" is an outright denial of the versatility of life and disrespectful imo. Do you honestly think you're just shut down after you die? That's so pathetic. I feel for you. Probably 90% of the people who actually study this have come to the conclusion this kind of consciousness triumphs after the mere body decays away.

If you imagine our sun is the size of a piece of sand merely visible to the eye, there is a sun called Canis Majoris which would be the size of a water melon compared to it. 5000 light years away from here. Can you imagine that? I doubt. Now you still can't imagine a small thing such as our consciousness continuing after death?

In my opinion what most of these Atheists should do is realize how amazing this universe is and stop arrogantly believing they know everthing about it. When you let people know you're an Atheist, I think it tells more things about your way of thinking than just your take on the religion. That's what it's all about. I would never marry an Atheist woman, because I don't want to live with a person who thinks the universe is just shiny dots on the sky she sees on her way home from work, and refuses to believe there may be something after this. All I'm certain of is anything is possible.

There is NOTHING "normal", everything is damn amazing to have come to being. Someone may think sauna is a normal thing about daily life, but when I'm in the sauna I enjoy thinking how cool it is to be in a place like this in the limitless universe and how these wooden blanks were born and how they got here. You see the difference?

Fundamentalists are of course just as bad. Helpless people who read the bible with a 4 year old's eyes. Most of Atheists have stuck to the state of mind of a 10 year old who realizes Santa Claus doesn't exists, and haven't developed to the point where they understand symbolism. (Majority of people don't have an opinion on anything however..) There are of course more clever Atheists among them, who maybe understand but just don't like to be involved with anything symbolic or "misleading" so that those who do not understand it would think they're weird or hippie.

Religion is a lot of things, tradition, history, stories... But the reason it's still here is the ethical and spiritual lesson written "between the lines" taught often in symbolic fashion to appeal to little children so the lessons go to their brain at a young age and become a part of them. When you just realize that, there is the entire universe to study, how material and life came to being, how love controls everything, and some other interesting and shocking truths to seek such as ufology.

While I appreciate your concern, I'm sticking to my opinion. I'd rather live with that I can see, then try to wish for something I must have faith for. This way I'm avoiding any deception.

Not that I refuse to see god or my soul or whatever, I just think it's a damn waste of time to do so. You may "feel for me" and think I'm a pathetic, gray teenager, I don't really care. I just gave my opinion, it's not a debate, I had no intention to be convinced that I'm wrong. I've arrived to this state of mind through a long process of reflexion and observation.

I respect people who need to believe in all this stuff, and who need to feel a stronger presence around, but never will I share their beliefs. As for love, it exists. Is it godly? Is it an extra-body experience? A perfect alliance of two souls and blablabla? To me, no. You feel love, you like the person, eventually you get to be with her/him, and try your best to adapt to him and the new lifestyle of being with someone. There's no such thing as "soulmates". I think it's a stupid and simple way to look at things. It kind of kills the romance, and makes it impossible to fully enjoy being with the other person.

 

[XxSNAPxX]

Okay, let's clear the dust here. I'll be up front here. My title is yours to dictate since no matter what i say i am, you'll think i'm something different. Okay, I believe that god is a personal thing and god, is whatever or whoever is the most gracious to you at any time, and the god within you make you do good....and the devil, much that same, is anyone doing wrong to you or making you do wrong. They are both ideas and dwell within every person, like for example. My mom, who is a really undecided person religiously, was REALLY sick last year, she was bed ridden at home for a week. During that time my dad stayed home to take care of her, afterwards she said that in those moments my dad was her god, he catered to her, and kept her well.....so that's my take on it really, of course there's more but since i'll be flamed for whatever i say in this thread due to the blunt way i came about entering the conversation, i'll pass.

 

[SteveAwesome]

@this entire thread

 

[Elin]

Well you sound like quite the stereotypical degenerate illiterate metal head retard in every single one of your posts, so this "Genious" mind of yours, you might want to start using it.

 

[(__Joonas__)]

For the record, i'm not a little kid. I'm 17, if you want to consider me a kid go ahead. But i'm actually every smart, many time's i've been called wise beyond my years. And i get Genius level scores on all of the standardized tests i take. I understand how saying i'm a satanist creates a backlash, i do, i realize it sounds cliche and dumb. But i'm still going to say it....maybe in your eyes i am just an atheist, and that's fine for you to see it that way. And i have read the religious texts that i spoke of earlier, as i did a 15 pager long paper on religion, in regards to how the religious texts set out guidelines for the religious to follow, then comparing the guidelines to the actual action patterns of the religious. Sorry that you guys feel the way you do about what i said, but i do consider myself to be a smart person for my age, and have proven, through tests and such that i'm smarter even that most people (PERIOD)

^^

No matter how INTELLIGENT you are, it doesn't make you capable of understanding this kind of stuff.

Hmm I'm so intelligent I understand water doesn't turn to wine, not even with the technology available today. And that God person can't sit on a cloud because of gravity, so he can't exist. ^^ And My life doesn't change if I burn the bible and trust my insticts.

You so remind me of my ex in that post. I grew tired of that attitude and dumped her.

 

[(__Joonas__)]

That's the reaction 99% of people have when someone suggests the possibility of the existence of extra terrestial entities or their visitations here. I suggest you study before laughing and making a fool of yourself, as you clearly have no idea.

 

[snowy]

You so remind me of my ex in that post. I grew tired of that attitude and dumped her.

dude it's ''him'' when you're referring to men.

 

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[Undefined]

Would have been a flawless victory but you spelled genius wrong

 

[CliffBurton]

He scores well on tests, but put a capitol in the right place in a sentence .
I do like his new way of stopping his thoughts (PERIOD)

 

[Muffin]

That's the reaction 99% of people have when someone suggests the possibility of the existence of extra terrestial entities or their visitations here. I suggest you study before laughing and making a fool of yourself, as you clearly have no idea.

I have studied the area, which is what makes me laugh more about you. Keep living the dream yo, maybe if you wish enough it will come true.

 

[Undefined]

Unless you've written a 15 pager long paper stfu

 

[TheKid]

Would anyone else here prefer it if it was 100% irrefutably proven that there was no God or afterlife?

 

[Muffin]

Unless you've written a 15 pager long paper stfu

Believe what you want, but watch out for the reptile people, they'll be after you since you've figured out the truth

Would anyone else here prefer it if it was 100% irrefutably proven that there was no God or afterlife?

Wouldn't change a thing, people would still believe in whatever religion they do

 

[Works0fheart]

Religion is just a complete waste of time to me. I just see it as something for people to hide behind for comfort from the fact that when they die they are going to lay in the dirt and rot, and most likely be forgotten, or hardly mentioned over the course of the next 50 years following their death.

That's just me though.

 

[TheKid]

Believe what you want, but watch out for the reptile people, they'll be after you since you've figured out the truth



Wouldn't change a thing, people would still believe in whatever religion they do

No, I mean in such a way that it would be literally impossible and religion would die. Goddamnit I wish that would happen.

 

[Lussi]

Didn't you ever consider that if religions existed it's because it's part of what human are? i'm not a "religious" person at all. but the fact people have always believed in some gods, spiritualities, and made rituals cannot be explained only by people are weak or something. I mean this is complex. Why does every civilisation has its own spirituality, belifs, gods, religions etc... rituals? i'm not saying it's agood thing or a bad thing but you can't deny it's part of the human race (if i can speak like that).

 

[Muffin]

No, I mean in such a way that it would be literally impossible and religion would die. Goddamnit I wish that would happen.

I guess, but it really is impossible, the human brain has the uncanny ability to confuse itself and believe things regardless of the logical flaws that might present themselves, this coupled with peoples mindset of "anything is possible and if you deny that you're a fool", you get to a point where anyone is willing to believe anything regardless of logic and science. I don't see religion disappearing at all, in one way or another it's gonna be there, look at what scientologists can believe.

inb4 someone lectures me on how i have no proof against intergalactic warlords

Didn't you ever consider that if religions existed it's because it's part of what human are? i'm not a "religious" person at all. but the fact people have always believed in some gods, spiritualities, and made rituals cannot be explained only by people are weak or something. I mean this is complex. Why does every civilisation has its own spirituality, belifs, gods, religions etc... rituals? i'm not saying it's agood thing or a bad thing but you can't deny it's part of the human race (if i can speak like that).

It's the urge to find an explanation for things that drives religious and spiritual needs, we're "blessed" with the ability to analyze and understand, but we can only rely on whatever we observe, and then we fill out the blanks. It's easier to explain thunder and lightning as the wrath of a god, than the electrical discharge and generation of a plasma that rapidly changes the pressure of the air, when all you have is visual and audio clues. And as i mentioned before, the mind can generate it's own world of facts and fiction, which is why purely human word-of-mouth description of an event, is rarely a reliable source.

 

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[Works0fheart]

Didn't you ever consider that if religions existed it's because it's part of what human are? i'm not a "religious" person at all. but the fact people have always believed in some gods, spiritualities, and made rituals cannot be explained only by people are weak or something. I mean this is complex. Why does every civilisation has its own spirituality, belifs, gods, religions etc... rituals? i'm not saying it's agood thing or a bad thing but you can't deny it's part of the human race (if i can speak like that).

Yes it can. How many decisions over the course of history do you think have been made out of fear? Not a single war, persecution, or act of violence wasn't made out of some thought of giving themselves security. People have never been able to accept the fact that there is nothing when they die, it wasn't just an idea that popped up over night. The first person that walked the earth probably had some stupid god they prayed to daily for some type of solace that there was something more when they died, because the thought of nothing was too much to bear for their worried little minds.

Yes, gods existed for other reasons, and every one of them has been there as substitutes for when man could not explain things. Like when people believed in rain gods because they didn't know why it rained. We have proved all of those things wrong except for the God that is most frequently talked about, because there isn't much of a way to find out what there is after death other than to die.

Gods are just ignorant answers to things we do not understand.