Scalloped neck...
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I beg to differ. If you actually jknow what he's talking about, more simply, if you actually know about guitar mechanics, then you'd realize that he's given more info in this discussion than any of you have.
=MY OPINION ON SCALLOPED FRETS=
Scalloped Frets are, as stated by Kenneth the Thread Hijacker, nothing more than a novelty. However, having played guitars with scalloped necks, I can safely say that they actually do make a difference in playing, but only in the field of shredding. Other than shredding, unless you're a person who's too lazy to press the string hard enough that it touches the fretboard, it doesn't make any difference and if anything, it could only get in the way. In my humble opinion, the only frets worth scalloping are past the 12th fret, and maybe doing an angled scallop between the 7th and 12th frets. That's what I'm having done to my Jacksin guitar right now at least.
Well, frankly, I beg to differ with you as well... on all counts actually. I do know what he is talking about... and it has nothing to do with guitar mechanics and nothing to do with what he may or may not have learned whilst taking his Bachelor of Science in Electrical Engineering... I learned just as much about string physics whilst I took my masters in English and French as he did whilst playing with circuit boards.
Please show me one single post in this thread where Kenneth_R actually shared an actual informed piece of information (or a science based argument) - there simply isn't one!
Kenneth_R's argument is based on the (flawed) assumption that you need to push the string all the way to the fretboard in order to sound a note on a guitar. Had Kenneth_R's assumption held water, he would indeed be right, seing as the string, obviously, would need to be stretched further on a scalloped fretboard in order to touch the fretboard, thus increasing tension, thus raising the pitch further than on a regular board... But do you actually need to push the string all the way to the fretboard in order to play? Well, no you don't! The simple fact of the matter is that you shouldn't push the string all the way to the fretboard - whether playing on a scalloped or a non-scalloped neck - and doing so (unintentionally) is simply an example of playing with bad technique...
Check this youtube clip of someone playing a Gittler guitar... Some of the older guys may remember Andy Summer playing one like it on Synchronicity. It is basically just a stainless steel spine and frets. To make a long story short: this guitar simply doesn't have a fretboard (the ultimate scalloping) and should thus (following the reasoning stated above) be litterally infinitely out of tune... though the strings would obviously snap before reaching infinity. For those of you who can't be bothered to watch the clip here's a pic of the guitar:
I have absolutely NO problem with people thinking that scalloping is silly, a novelty or might somehow be in the way (though, how wood that isn't there can be in the way, simply is beyond me)... I do, however, have a problem with people spreading false information and calling me ignorant for pointing it out.
To me, scalloping is simply the next step from jumbo frets. I don't think anyone considers medium or jumbo frets a novelty when compared to the small vintage frets found on old Fenders... It is simply a question of comfort: some people like the feel of really digging into the wood of the fretboard with their calusses (and they choose tiny frets), some people prefer less contact with the fretboard (choosing jumbo frets) and some people simply like not touching the fretboard at all (and choose a scalloped fretboard).
Cheers
Eske
P.s.: inhe, as much as I like threads without content or infinite SX vs. DT topics, we actually have a thread here that, hopefully, will give people a slightly better insight into a technical guitar-specific topic. Oh, and I'm glad you feel like a winner too
he did share info....unfortunately it was skewed, irrelevant, and based on flawed assumptions (but Eske already said that, so I didn't need to, but I did anyway. Fuckin A)
There's no reason you should be pressing the string all the way down to the fretboard, you're playing more than noticeably out of tune if you are...but we've already covered that. Scallops will change the feel of the fretboard (or lack thereof, but there is no reason a scalloped fretboard will affect your playing in any way other than you psyching yourself into believing that it is. I've found it to let me get a slightly more solid grip of the string for bends/vibrato but that's it.
at any rate, the accurate information has already been put out there
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This page is funny. However without entering this debate too heavily, I would have to say I sit in the Meedley/Eske camp...
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l also have found this interesting and entertaining. l know alot of guitarists and have forwarded this to them.
This quote...
...is so true on so many levels. Hilarious
This quote...
MeedleyX10 said:
...is so true on so many levels. Hilarious
progmetaldan
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your T-shirt, certificate of membership, personalized membership badge, a card that gets you 10% off at your favorite fast food restaurants, and a booklet containing the creed will be in the mail tomorrow. You can send your membership fees to me, checks made payable only to me with no mention of this club. Because we...umm..wouldn't want outsiders aware of us.....
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P.s.: inhe, as much as I like threads without content or infinite SX vs. DT topics, we actually have a thread here that, hopefully, will give people a slightly better insight into a technical guitar-specific topic. Oh, and I'm glad you feel like a winner too
There's one thing to inform, another thing to do endless bashing with comments such as "actually, i know better because...". You're not really informing anyone since they have to look through 30 lines of shit before they find something.
And since i'm not a part of the discussion i'm not a winner.
Making a valid point can hardly be considered "bashing". Frankly, it appeared (obviously from my tainted perspective), that I was the target of a minute bit of bashing (e.g. being called "ignorant" and "friend" by Kenneth_R) whilst I simply did my best to present my case. If you would please tell me where I bashed anyone in this thread, I will give my sincere apologies to whoever I may have wronged or trotten under foot.
For reasons of sanity, I never enter into arguments with an "actually, i know better because..." - I would like you to present the source of your quote, as it, obviously, isn't to be found in this thread.
I am seriously very sorry if you felt challenged by reading 30 lines - an internet forum can, sadly, present quite a few lines here and there. Even worse, a large portion of the knowledge in this world is actually stored in text... usually divided into chapters, paragraphs and lines, and I am terribly sorry if the format of the argument caused confusion. Moreover, when deciding to post in a topic, you actually partake in it... for which I am also very sorry.
Unlike what you might think, I actually enjoy sharing arguments with my peers... and it is slightly more interesting being on the field than pointing fingers from the sideline - at least, that's what I think.
Oh, and I'm also sorry that you don't think of yourself as a winner.
Cheers
Eske
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I actually took the time to read that even though i realised that it's just another one of those patronizing posts, filled with shit. It seems to me like you just wrote that to prove my point.
Sharing your opinions anonymously to your "peers", doesn't really contribute to anything more than wasting time, so thank you for letting me waste your time.
Again, you seem to not fully comprehend the basic difference between facts and opinions... or feaces, for that matter. But perhaps my post was getting close to 30 lines again - I will give you the benefit of the doubt and say that it did.
The only noticeable point proven, however, was that you - as I stated - actually partook in the discussion, even when you decided to share nought of relevans and simply pointed the finger at people. That is what constitutes hiding in anonymity, as such behaviour is rarely tolerated in the real world. As for my being anonymous - Hi, I'm Eske Melgaard Krogh and come from Aarhus, Denmark... and you are inhe from nowhere?
Moreover, you do not "share to", you share with - a massive difference that might be worth investigating for you - and I did and do not debate opinions, I debated facts.
Another fun fact is that you were incabable of addressing any of my queries... indeed, as you so elegantly put it, your posts were a waste of time,
as the only message they carried was slander.
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Eske
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To be honest, i didn't read anything from your debate, due to the fact that scalloped necks aren't something i'm interest in, secondly, my first post was kind of a humorous attempt to get you to understand that your debating was only informing the ones involved.
The part about "30 lines of shit", was reffering to the fact that you and the other participants were writing alot of text, wheter it was useful or not, i don't know, because i rarely spend time reading stuff i'm not interested in.
The fact that my posts in this thread are a waste of time, i agree, but so are yours, in my perspective, as they didn't contribute to any useful information, for me.
Maybe i've missed one of 'queries', but you'll have to understand that none of my comments were all that serious to begin with, but it's good keeping my English going.
Then why bother even opening this thread?
It seems that you would have been far better off getting on with your life than even bothering to read this thread, let alone reading bits of it and replying at least 3 times...
It seems that you would have been far better off getting on with your life than even bothering to read this thread, let alone reading bits of it and replying at least 3 times...
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To find something interesting to read, but i was "scared off" by the amount of text, as was my original argument. To be honest, my commenting in this thread has taken me a total of 10 minutes or less of writing, and given the amount it improves my vocabulary aswell as my writing i hardly see it as unnecessary.
I don't mean anyone in this thread anything bad, a discussion is nothing more than a discussion, letting out opinions and sharing facts.
I hate being "attacked" from people not in the argument, but i guess i deserved that for doing it myself.
There wasn't that much text to be scared off by =/
Have you ever seen thing these things called books? They've usually got much much more text than what is in this thread
Have you ever seen thing these things called books? They've usually got much much more text than what is in this thread
O RLY?
Did Ken ever once say that you need to press the string all the way down to the wood? No. What he did say is that Scalloped frets aren't good for a person that tends to press down on the frets with more tension than someone who plays with a light touch. You pretty much just put words in his mouth, and for that, I award you with this:
Once again, it's not a matter of touching the wood. It's a matter of how hard the individual presses down on the strings. Some people play harder, some people play very softly. The ones who play hard will be the ones bending the string 1/4 step off. THAT'S what the point was.Check this youtube clip of someone playing a Gittler guitar... Some of the older guys may remember Andy Summer playing one like it on Synchronicity. It is basically just a stainless steel spine and frets. To make a long story short: this guitar simply doesn't have a fretboard (the ultimate scalloping) and should thus (following the reasoning stated above) be litterally infinitely out of tune... though the strings would obviously snap before reaching infinity. For those of you who can't be bothered to watch the clip here's a pic of the guitar:
I have absolutely NO problem with people thinking that scalloping is silly, a novelty or might somehow be in the way (though, how wood that isn't there can be in the way, simply is beyond me)... I do, however, have a problem with people spreading false information and calling me ignorant for pointing it out.
What?
O RLY?
From Kenneth's post: "if you push a string down to the fretboard on a scalloped neck, the distance you moved it is greater."
(i.e. he was basing his argument on pressing the string down to the fretboard. To make it even more basic, he was talking about how hard the player is pressing the strings down)
From your post (which i realize isn't in question at the moment, but I'll put it here anyway because it made me laugh):
"Other than shredding, unless you're a person who's too lazy to press the string hard enough that it touches the fretboard, it doesn't make any difference "
Exactly....it's a matter of the individual...not whether or not their guitar is scalloped.
And they'll be the same ones ones bending the string 1/4 off on an unscalloped guitar.
This conversation should have been over when Eske said:
"Sorry man, you are not going into detail in explaining why a scalloped fretboard will make you play out of tune, you are, however, explaining why bad technique will make you play out of tune..."
Again, THERE IS NO REASON AT ALL THAT HAVING SCALLOPPED A FRETBOARD MAKES YOU PLAY OUT OF TUNE. The fact that a little bit of wood is missing does not contribute to you pushing the string down any further UNLESS you are pressing the strings down too hard on the fretboard of a non-scalloped guitar and playing extremely out of tune on that one as well.
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