smoking

[Satori]

Originally posted by Torgoth
I had same "problem", when I was younger (and I don't mean that you are younger than me or anything), but stupid people has beaten me up so many times(it's been years since last time), that I stopped caring anyone, and nowadays I'm happy about that. Nowadays I can't even imagine how hard it was to care humans. In the end, after all most of humans are so fucking stupid, that being worried about them, is waste of time and energy. Just let those bastard live their own pathetic life in way they choose(or are forced to choose).

I can see you point and I understand where you are coming from. I am like this too, in a sense, but I am also the opposite. I have always felt like I existed in both states at once and I don't feel the need to resolve this contradiction.

For me, caring doesn't require any worry, time, or energy, I guess I really don't think about it that much. I suppose it's not so much a feeling of "caring" as it is feeling of a "connection" with everyone (and everything) and I truly feel that everything else in existence is an extension of myself, or more accurately, everything in existence is an extension of a single reality (of which I am a part, just like everything is).

I guess what it boils down to is one's definition of "self". Are you a tiny isolated ego, or are you just a small part of something much greater (reality itself). Everyone knows what I think, hehe

cheers,

Satori

 

[SentencedToBurn]

Originally posted by Jannet
It's the life you are aware of, and I say cherish it and enjoy it as long as you can. You can have all the religious beliefs you want, but THIS LIFE, YOUR BODY is what is real, not what could be once you die. You have no clue what's going to happen, so you're just going to bank on faith and abuse your body because you THINK there's something better in the future? Well, it's your body, do what you want. I for one will stay as healthy as I can, live my life to the fullest, and enjoy it to its extent!

Perfectly put

 

[Jannet]

Thanks

 

[Torgoth]

Originally posted by Satori
I guess what it boils down to is one's definition of "self". Are you a tiny isolated ego, or are you just a small part of something much greater (reality itself). Everyone knows what I think, hehe

cheers,

Satori

Well, I guess I don't fit either of your descriptions . I'm sorry, my english is so shit, that I can't explain you exactly, what is my outlook of life. And I don't know what you think, could you enlight me?

 

[Satori]

Originally posted by Torgoth
Why is it sad? Cause I'm not afraid of death or "death"? Cause I don't care life in this body? I have my own religious visions and this life has little meaning to me. I'm not going to discuss my religion in here, but I can say, that I'm not christian, and I don't belong to church. But I believe in gods, and even Jesus Christ(he was great conjurer).

I think it's more than a little sad that you are clinging to this hope of an afterlife and using it as justification for neglecting your health and well-being.

I not so sure about JC being a great conjurer (whatever the hell that's supposed to mean) or how you logically came to such a ridiculous and purely speculative conclusion, but it sounds nearly as whacked as the whole "son of god" crap.

I'm consistently amazed at what we primates actually conceive of as "reality" and I am saddened whenever such fantasies disrupt the quality and clarity of one's life. I'm not anti-fantasy, but shit, I feel there comes a time in every adult's life when they have to face reality simply because facing reality is a huge part of being an adult.

I really don't know what's so hard to accept about reality that people feel the need to negate their own sense of common sense/logic and delude themselves with innane illusions of grandeur, self-importance, purpose, and immortality. I guess some people simply can't accept that they are just humans and nothing more, not special, not powerful, not magical, and certainly not immortal. Reality is not that hard to accept and if it is for you then perhaps there's some deeper psychological issues that need addressing (rather than burying them in pointless and ultimately futile fantasies which just serve to cloud your reasoning and make bad choices).

Satori

 

[Torgoth]

I am not going to start religious conversation, for two reasons, first; my english is shit, as I already told you , and I've already have it on finnish threads, and it's not going to lead anywhere. Everyone has his own views and someone others views don't change them, so it is useless. No one can prove his ideas better than other, cause none has returned to tell us the truth.
You may feel sad for me, cause I'm destroying my body, but I feel sad for you, and all those can't be open minded in this thing.

 

[blakmetalemp]

the only thing that bothers me about smoking are those damn "truth.com" commercials. on the side of the pack it should say:

"Sugeon General's Warning: Smoking may result in cancer, heart diesese, pregnancy complications and STUPID GODDAMNED IDIOTS TELLING YOU THAT YOU SHOULD'NT SMOKE!"

i dont mind smoke or people that smoke, even I smoke a pipe about 2 times a week, but I cant stand people telling me what i should and shouldnt do.

 

[Obyeybyeogone]

others views don't change them, so it is useless. No one can prove his ideas better than other, cause none has returned to tell us the truth.

No one has told us the truth, a good reason not to assume it doesn't matter if you die young since you'll go somewhere else. Unless you kill yourself, smoking will kill you painfully slow, I wouldn't recommend it. You may think now that you could easily kill yourself, I often think that "If I get terminally ill i'll just end it myself", but I really wouldn't want to test that theory, I recommend trying to quit or cutting back.

 

[Obyeybyeogone]

the only thing that bothers me about smoking are those damn "truth.com" commercials. on the side of the pack it should say:

Those are the most obnoxious commercials, and they are full of shit, and try to make the tobacco companies seem like professional murderers. I almost want to smoke to piss Truth off. Funny how they think they are so smug because they are allowed to slander tobacco on TV and tobacco can't advertise themselves on TV. I hate those commercials.

 

[blakmetalemp]

HA! i figured those commercials got on others nerves as well OYO.

everyone who hates this Truth shit put your fist in the air and bang your head!

 

[Satori]

Originally posted by Torgoth
No one can prove his ideas better than other, cause none has returned to tell us the truth.

Which is exactly why we should live and accept reality as it presents itself rather than creating all these pointless myths.

We live and then we die and we have no reason to suspect that anything comes after that and every reason to suspect that it doesn't. Consciousness is a product of the physical brain and according to all logic and reason it doesn't exist beyond the physical brain, therefore, if we *choose* to pretend it does we are just deluding ourselves and negating our own common sense.

I can "prove" that my ideas are better than most others simply because I don't say anything outlandish, improbable, or illogical.

You may feel sad for me, cause I'm destroying my body

I'm more saddened by the thought of you feeling bad about yourself because you are a slave to this drug. I guess I equate drug-addition with feeling like a helpless turd, but this is just my opinion.

but I feel sad for you, and all those can't be open minded in this thing.

I appreciate your sentiment but I actually think I'm much more open-minded than most since I am completely open to the truth about things no matter what it is (unlike the religious types who close their eyes to reality in favour of their own self-absored subjective fantasy).

Belief without reason, logic, or evidence is what is termed "faith", and it is neither desirable or commendable, it's really more of a measurment of how gullable someone is. Faith is not a good thing, I actually think it's a very very bad thing and I can explain why if required.

Satori

 

[Satori]

Originally posted by Oyo
Those are the most obnoxious commercials, and they are full of shit,

Full of shit? How so?

and try to make the tobacco companies seem like professional murderers.

You mean they aren't? Do you think it's ethical for a company to mass market a lethal and incredibly addictive drug and at the same time hide all their knowledge about it's effects from the public? Interesting...

I almost want to smoke to piss Truth off.

Rebellion is fun but only if there is a point to it. I fail the see the point in rebelling against a campaign which is entirely truthful and positive for everyone. (?)

Funny how they think they are so smug because they are allowed to slander tobacco on TV and tobacco can't advertise themselves on TV. I hate those commercials.

You say this as if slandering tobacco on TV is a bad thing. It's not, and these commercials aren't saying anything dishonest. Slandering isn't bad in and of itself, it's only bad if the slander is undeserved and in the case of tobacco that is clearly not the case.

Tobacco companies have FUCKED people all over the world with their bullshit and it's time we were aware of it. It's this fucking that the Truth commercials are aiming to expose. It may be cheesy and exaggerated but lets not condemn the message because of the way it is presented. That would be like judging an album by it's cover and we all know how inaccurate that can be!

For the record I really don't mind what people choose to do with their bodies, as long as it is their CHOICE and they are aware of the choice they are making. From my experience in this area I have found that the great majority of people who use tobacco aren't doing so out of choice, choice has fuck-all to do with it, they smoke out of necessity because they are hopelessly addicted and can't stop. Addiction precludes CHOICE, and the tobacco companies are aware of this (and hid it from public knowledge for decades).

To provide an example of how addiction precludes and undermines the fundamental right to choose, here is a study that was done on lab rats and nicotine addiction:
Rats were given a choice between yummy rat food and nicotine in water solution. When the rat decides which one it wants, the other option became unavailable (if they choose the food that time, the nicotine is taken away and vice-versa). The results were stunning and disturbing. In a very short time all the rats became drug addicts and would choose the drug over the food every single time. Eventually all the rats starved to death. What does this imply? It implies that nicotine is so fucking addictive that it disrupts and organism's ability to function normally and make life-sustaining choices, they chose to literally starve to death (not something any animal would do) rather than go without their nicotine fix. That's pretty fucking scary. In the same book where I read this there was a picture of a starving man living in India smoking tobacco from a sea shell. This man was like the rats, he didn't have much money and every cent he made he spent on tobacco rather than buying food. His body was so skinny and his health was so bad from not eating that he was pretty much dying.. and for what? For this stupid drug that's not even that great? geesh..

Satori

 

[Satori]

I'm reminded of something that happened to me on New year's.

I was at a club party and in the basement everyone was busy toking, snorting, popping, whatever. So I was just sitting their playing my hand-drum when a guy next to me pulled out a little water pipe (for pot) and starting lighting it up. Assuming it was weed I said "hey man, I have a pipe at home just like that one." and he said: "yea it's pretty cool, but I don't have any pot so I have tobacco in there now.. so when it doesn't come around to you don't be upset, it's a GOOD thing, heheh."

Revealing, eh?

Satori

 

[swiss miss]

I smoke occasionally.

I started when I was 11...quit a few years after that. I sometimes start in hopes that the habit might stick but it doesn't. I once pissed off my friends that were trying to quit by resolving for new years that I was going to start smoking. It didn't work out.
But my friends were able to quit...that was really cool.

I smoke at the bar once and awhile. I hate second hand smoke but I am rarely a bitch about it. It's something that we all have to deal with. It's messed up to be an asshole about it. It only pisses the other person off...never accomplishes anything positive.

I live with 2 smokers. I open the windows a lot. It helps.

I do not believe in the government telling what we can and cannot do in regards to smoking bans in restaurants and bars. It should be up to the business owner to decide if they want smoking in their place of business.
That's a freedom the business owner should have...there would be a lot more non-smoking establishments I bet!

 

[Clayman]

Originally posted by bleed for me
some girls smoke to surpress their diet)

I never really understand that can some one explain?
I smoke Du marier.

 

[KielbasaSausage]

anyone who thinks that smokers are "posers" and uses the word fucktard should die.

I smoke sometimes, but when i do, its not a fuckin cigarette. i smoke shisha, some arab-egyptian thing. im sure this stuff isnt as bad as cigs, cause i see 90 year old fuckers who've been smoking this shit every day since the age of 8.

 

[Jannet]

I feel sad for you, and all those can't be open minded in this thing.

Open-minded on what???? The fact that you don't care about your body enough because you think there's something better after death? Like I said, you can be the archetype of religious orders for all I care, it has nothing to do with the here and now, you being alive and having a brain but thinking that it's not even worth living your life and in your body. I'm supposed to be open-minded on what?? Sorry, buddy, I love my life, and your argument deserves no open-mindedness. Love and care for yourself, value your body, your mind, and stop polluting your mind with negativity and your lungs with black death.

 

[Jannet]

I never really understand that can some one explain?

Nicotine acts as an appetite suppresant..so they say. I personally think that cigarettes take the place of meals for smokers. That's the only reason why they gain weight when they stop smoking, because they're replacing their cigarette breaks with munchies.

 

[S4R]

Originally posted by Satori
You mean they aren't? Do you think it's ethical for a company to mass market a lethal and incredibly addictive drug and at the same time hide all their knowledge about it's effects from the public? Interesting...

Lest we forget they had some help from Uncle Sam, a little money goes a long way . I suggest we allow the tobacco fucktards to grow cannabis. It is much cheaper and certainly easier to grow. They'll still get their precious money, the difference being, now ALL the consumers are happy .

 

[SaintJoshy]

Everyone at my school basically smokes except me and my friend, who got me into opeth. My teacher had surgery and I think they told her to quit smoking and stuff, and so she did and after like a few weeks she said she didnt care for one. She said that like probably the only reason she smoked was to have something to do, and that she liked the feeling of like having somethin in her hand. So I saw her smoking the other day and asked her, " i thought you quit" and she said taht her new years resalution was to start back. I told her taht was a waste hehe. Anyways, I think to many people smoke nowadays, and most people dont care what happends to them. So what if it makes ya feel good. A lot of bad things make you feel good. I dont think that smoking a few times will increase your chance of dieing. It could , but I guess just the point is that when somethin is adicting like smoking is, then its a bad thing. Its obvious. I mean I know that opeth smoke and drink and stuff, but like I hope they stop, so they can live long and keep playing great music!