Summoning Against Nazism

[J.]

Just found it kinda interesting:

Yesterday i (Protector) wrote an email to youtube in order to tell them to remove certain videos showing nazi-propaganda and using Summoning music for it. This finally brought me to the decision to recapitulate all the statements i know that show clearly that the music of summoning as well as any kind rock or metal music are in contradiction to such ideologies.

So for now and for the future. any person can use Summoning music for videos as long as they are not used for political propaganda and specially not for nazi-propaganda.

Here are the reasons why i never will accept such ideologies in connection to summoning.

Political Statements

Found at www.summoning.info

 

[dorian gray]

Nazi propoganda? haha Youtube, myspace, and other blog nerds have waaayy too much time on their hands.
The other thing that irritates me is THE NAZIS WERE DESTROYED 60 YEARS AGO. When will people get this through their heads?

 

[skeptik]

I remember not long after Oath Bound came out that Protector was talking about something similar to this topic, about NS and such being outside of Metal, and how he used all different kinds of drum sounds from other cultures on certain parts of the album, so this isn't very surprising.

 

[MFJ]

cool "article" he wrote

 

[MajestikMøøse]

yeah, it's a nice piece of work.

 

[MFJ]

"- slavonic people where not considered as aryan race by hitler, and all of those polish NSBM black metal bands who think he was just wrong and nazis love the polish people shall check the lyrics of the most famous german nazi rock band "landser" called "polakentango". polish people are pure scum for real german nazis."

oh man... i think about this all of the time. it's so true! i can't even believe that shit. graveland, temnozor, all of that is crap when it comes down to the wire.

 

[JayKeeley]

Bravo Protector.

slavonic people where not considered as aryan race by hitler, and all of those polish NSBM black metal bands who think he was just wrong and nazis love the polish people shall check the lyrics of the most famous german nazi rock band "landser" called "polakentango". polish people are pure scum for real german nazis.

I've always wondered why racist folks from countries which were invaded & attacked by the nazis take on the persona of those who attacked them. Seems kinda backward to me. The irony is even greater with Poland considering that particular nazi invasion pretty much kicked off WW2 with Britain's involvement.

i prefer to be proud about things i did or am responsible for, but i never ever could feel any pride for things i could not even decide

I've seen other folks use this argument before too, including NAD. This is a no brainer, so why people are proud to be a certain color....it's total nonsense. Be proud of who you are and what you do, not what you look like.

The one thing that seems a little inconsistent in Protector's statement, however, is that he's trying to prove that traditional metal didn't necessarily emerge from white origins (especially where he talks about the instruments, or where blues came from).

OK...
...but is anyone even disputing this? Even NSBM bands? I never thought this was up for debate by anyone. I thought NS bands were using the ideaology to invoke certain characteristics, or even be inspired to write, but I've never seen anyone contradict the origins of metal. I mean, Black Sabbath have more blues riffs running through their veins than most blues bands.

 

[J.]

yeah, it is crap. thank goodness Graveland isnt NSBM

 

[MajestikMøøse]

"- slavonic people where not considered as aryan race by hitler, and all of those polish NSBM black metal bands who think he was just wrong and nazis love the polish people shall check the lyrics of the most famous german nazi rock band "landser" called "polakentango". polish people are pure scum for real german nazis."

oh man... i think about this all of the time. it's so true! i can't even believe that shit. graveland, temnozor, all of that is crap when it comes down to the wire.

Yeah, I laugh at the lyrics to Nokturnal Mortum's "The Taste of Victory" (particular part bolded for emphasis)

Fields are covered with white snows woods are dreaming dreams of soil
Time in slumber 'til Spring falls in white and red the earth lies frozen
Forced whites in time of white clotted with the scarlet blood
Echoed with the pain so dark with grey sorrow was entwined
Yee an Aryan soldier we know your feats of arms
Sleep safe in palace of cold forest snows no matter who where right and wrong
Let the gods see the truth and judge them all, all those who died in nineteen forty five
All those who won and who have lost the war
For sacrifices made to the wrong gods for power given up to our worst foes
Hail soldier hold your banner high time has come to sacrifice your life
Though it's your brother stands on other side still it's time to fullfill the orders to kill
The beast thirsts for Aryan blood squeezing down his greedy claws
With a stolen power he forces brothers to whet against each other
By slyness the blood has been spilled pride has been forgotten and defamed
But the memory still lives in our hearts with an echo of vengeance shall the insults reply
What incited Germans to go against slavs who made Russia to rot Ukraine
Who sucked power from the world like a vampire who feels himself a master today
We remember your feat a soldier of white race no matter either you were German or Slav
Ghosts of war stand before our eyes so we shall not repeat the old mistakes again
We do remember our forefather's oaths we do believe in power of 14 words
Towers have fallen but the persons do stand firm and the Mason's pyramides do stare into our souls
The taste of victory is bitterness and sarcasm
It's price was Shekel and their scourge upon our trampled backs
Oh world beware new master this desert breed won't die on their own
If they weren't burnt those 60 years ago they should be burnt today
Fields are covered with white snows woods are dreaming dreams of soil
Time in slumber 'til spring falls
In white and red the earth lies frozen suffused with blood of red
Our memory dreams in sleeping lands
What should lead your future ways and what do I await today

lawl, Slavic revisionist historians

 

[Necro Joe]

...is anyone even disputing this? Even NSBM bands? I never thought this was up for debate by anyone. I thought NS bands were using the ideaology to invoke certain characteristics, or even be inspired to write, but I've never seen anyone contradict the origins of metal. I mean, Black Sabbath have more blues riffs running through their veins than most blues bands.

I don't know what the official anus line is but Falconsbane and Scorpio argue this point all the time. Something about Black Sabbath inverting blues scales and being the heirs of romantic, classical traditions rather than just a seriously dark, heavy rock band. They don't often get convincingly discredited either so I can see why Protector felt the need to write this.

 

[Vrag Moj]

I've read Protector's article, which lists valid points. I think that given his stance on Nazism, it would be absurd to use Summoning's music in conjunction with Nazi imagery. This would be an embarrassing misunderstanding on the part of such a person.

Nazism found fertile ground in the later years of Black Metal, just like it did in the Hardcore Punk scene. There are many parallels: the revolutionary spirit present in the early days of both scenes was frustrated by a lack of any obvious revolution. This made the people within vulnerable and disappointed. For some Nazism offered easy answers to difficult questions, creating the following paradox;

--If Nazism is all about pride in one's race, then one's race gives them a thing to be proud of from birth. This is a destructive notion, because they have done nothing to achieve their birth. Therefore pride cannot be a birth-rite and must be earned.--

A very similar thing happened in the Weimar republic, ravaged by war reparations and the Depression. Young people do not seem to perceive a lesson here and yet World War II is on every school's history curriculum.

Nazism and fascism in Black Metal makes some sense if viewed from a purely artistic perspective – as being the ultimate extreme in the given cultural environment. In a movement intent on eradicating all trace of pretension and commercialism from its ranks Nazi imagery serves as a shield from the ignorant uninitiated. But these are dangerous waters.

 

[Night Mare]

But these are dangerous waters.

And shallow ones.

 

[cthulufhtagn]

*goes to check out summoning*


yeah i think the funniest shit is latin american nazis. they fucking exist. seriously, what? i feel like they just need somebody to sit them down and explain it to them in spanish.

 

[skeptik]

i feel like they just need somebody to sit them down and explain it to them in spanish.

serious ing here

 

[JayKeeley]

yeah i think the funniest shit is latin american nazis. they fucking exist. seriously, what? i feel like they just need somebody to sit them down and explain it to them in spanish.

yeah, or British, American, or anyone else who fought against the nazi's in the wars. Some kid has a swastika poster of Hitler on his wall.....dude, your grandfather fought against those folks you dumb shit!

There was a movie called "The Believer" about a Jewish skinhead, "inspired by 1965 incident in which Jewish man was arrested at a KKK rally in New York. When this fact appeared in the New York Times, the man committed suicide, just as he had threatened a reporter he would do if his identity was revealed."

It happens. Just look at wiggers.

 

[Crimson Velvet]

Bah, everything is just bullshit these days. Nazi dim wits, hippies, jews, black metallers, it's all just nonsense, so why even bother giving it a thought?

 

[MajestikMøøse]

Bah, everything is just bullshit these days. Nazi dim wits, hippies, jews, black metallers, it's all just nonsense, so why even bother giving it a thought?

Visualize... Voluntary Human Extinction.

 

[skeptik]

I bet Silenius is black.

 

[Demonspell]

My respect for Summoning definitely increased after reading that rebuke, great to see him dismantle NS arguments intelligently instead of merely raging against his music being co-opted by those idiots. And I am in total agreement with the part Jay quoted, taking more pride in your genetic makeup than your own achievements is absurd

 

[Necromunchkin]

OK...
...but is anyone even disputing this? Even NSBM bands? I never thought this was up for debate by anyone. I thought NS bands were using the ideaology to invoke certain characteristics, or even be inspired to write, but I've never seen anyone contradict the origins of metal. I mean, Black Sabbath have more blues riffs running through their veins than most blues bands.

I haven't heard anyone contradict the origin of metal, as such, but I've read articles by a few who say they've left behind any trace of the "negroe music" in their own songs somehow, by the incorporation of folk and all that. Revisionist music, if you would.