That "Clayman" sound....

[JBroll]

I usually don't have as much 'sizzle' as your first clip, and something seems funny about the upper mids, so I'd say that you can do a little more on it - but if you could put up both of the original clips we could play with time alignment a bit, which can make a world of difference if you're in the right ballpark (I think you are) and just need a little more tweaking.

Jeff

 

[HeadCrusher]

Guess I didn't make myself clear... %)

Both clips are the same take, only that one track is an SM57 on axis and the other one is off axis.

 

[ffaudio]

You should also include one mp3 of them together.

 

[ApolloSpeed]

http://www.soilwork.org/feedback.jpg

are they using the fredman technique on the new soilwork?

what kinda cab is that?? I notice it has a port in the bottom!

 

[KeithRT99]

krank?

 

[JBroll]

Guess I didn't make myself clear... %)

Both clips are the same take, only that one track is an SM57 on axis and the other one is off axis.

Oh, I thought one was mixed. Yeah, those on-axis clips are nasty all over the place... I was going to say that if your summed sound is like that you've gotten the Marshall that wants to be a Fender somehow and I wouldn't quite know what to do with that.

Jeff

 

[HeadCrusher]

Hey there, thanks for the answers so far!

So to be precise here are the tracks again, described a bit more in detail...

All mp3s are the same take:

This one is only the on-axis SM57: http://www.sneapforum.celtiaproductions.co.uk/HeadCrusher/ClaymanTechnique/SM57_On_Axis.mp3
This one is only the off-axis SM57: http://www.sneapforum.celtiaproductions.co.uk/HeadCrusher/ClaymanTechnique/SM57_Off_Axis.mp3
These are both mics together (same level): http://www.sneapforum.celtiaproduct...aymanTechnique/SM57_On_Axis+SM57_Off_Axis.mp3
These are both mics together (same level) but the phase is reversed on one of them: http://www.sneapforum.celtiaproduct..._Off_Axis_(One_Track_with_reversed_Phase).mp3

I guess the last one might be the most interesting in order to figure out how well the mics are placed. So do you get better cancelation results or are mine fine as well?

Any hints/comments are much appreciated!

Oh and here are a few pics (just to show you how shitty my mobile's cam is, haha):

 

[JBroll]

When I use that technique, my reversed clip (like your fourth) has *no* response anywhere near the mids or bass - it's pretty much all sizzle that gets cancelled out. You've got the kind of sound that comes out of those little 1/2 watt portable Fenders, which is almost there - but play with time shifting a little bit until the cancelled portion disappears and it'll sound more full in the 'normal' mode.

Jeff

 

[colonel kurtz]

has anyone tried this technique using ribbon mics?

i have access to some royer 121's at the moment, and am thinking of using one of them as the on-axis mic, with either a 57 or i5 off-axis

 

[jesus69lol]

Hey there, thanks for the answers so far!

So to be precise here are the tracks again, described a bit more in detail...

All mp3s are the same take:

This one is only the on-axis SM57: http://www.sneapforum.celtiaproductions.co.uk/HeadCrusher/ClaymanTechnique/SM57_On_Axis.mp3
This one is only the off-axis SM57: http://www.sneapforum.celtiaproductions.co.uk/HeadCrusher/ClaymanTechnique/SM57_Off_Axis.mp3
These are both mics together (same level): http://www.sneapforum.celtiaproduct...aymanTechnique/SM57_On_Axis+SM57_Off_Axis.mp3
These are both mics together (same level) but the phase is reversed on one of them: http://www.sneapforum.celtiaproduct..._Off_Axis_(One_Track_with_reversed_Phase).mp3

I guess the last one might be the most interesting in order to figure out how well the mics are placed. So do you get better cancelation results or are mine fine as well?

Any hints/comments are much appreciated!

Oh and here are a few pics (just to show you how shitty my mobile's cam is, haha):

I can't tell from the pictures, it looks like your on-axis mic isn't pressed directly up against the grill, is that right?

 

[colonel kurtz]

i can totally tell that the off-axis mic is somewhat closer than the on-axis one

welcome to phase hell

 

[JBroll]

That's what it looks like, you really have to be careful with the proximity effect with two mics or you just start getting strange shit.

welcome to phase hell

That *is* the point, so...

Jeff

 

[HeadCrusher]

I can't tell from the pictures, it looks like your on-axis mic isn't pressed directly up against the grill, is that right?

yes, true!

 

[s34nsm411]

i think one of the best parts of clayman is how un-limited to death the mastering is (compared to other metal releases i mean.) open it up in a wave editor and see for yourself

 

[derfbonker]

When I mic like this I usually place the mics on top of each other ( as opposed to side by side like in the picture) and i rotate the front face of the off axis mic so it is half in front, and half behind the face of the on axis mic. (If that makes any sense?) This way the 2 mics are pretty much in phase.

 

[BloodyMurderKaraoke]

When I mic like this I usually place the mics on top of each other ( as opposed to side by side like in the picture) and i rotate the front face of the off axis mic so it is half in front, and half behind the face of the on axis mic. (If that makes any sense?) This way the 2 mics are pretty much in phase.

use paint for a diagram prz

 

[derfbonker]

Good Idea, BloodyMurderKaraoke! I usually go about halfway between the dust cap and the edge of the cone, but that's just me.

p.s. Thats a top view if you couldn't tell.

 

[andrewpaiven]

is the tube screamer 9 that critical to acheive good guitar sound ?

 

[derfbonker]

I actually prefer a good EQ pedal, you can tailer the sound better.

 

[JBroll]

Read the Tube Screamer threads. You can go without them (see: James Murphy) but they're worth a shot.

Jeff