The great and all powerful religion thread!

[LithiumLulu]

This line by line arguments are really fun to watch but a bitch to get into.

Yea, I know what you mean. I kinda hate to do it, but I think it doesn't make as much sense when you reply to all the points in one big block. And, it has the potential to make you look as unorganized in your thought process as your opponent.

 

[Ender Rises]

They are the best arguements also, they tend to have the best sly humor and insults and are fun to read.

 

[Crimson Velvet]

It's an argument that is destined to go nowhere, though, as what formicatable considers a utopia, Lulu considers a dystopia and vice versa. Kinda like.... EVERY SINGLE OTHER DISCUSSION ON THE ENTIRE INTERNET EVER AND EVERMORE!


ahem proceed

 

[cookiecutter]

Arguing on the internet is like the Special Olympics...

It's fun and heart warming?

 

[genocide roach]

I worship metal.

HAILS!
~gR~

 

[thisisaformicatable]

A straw man is misrepresentation of an opponent's position. That's what you did. Everyone else seems to see it, I'm sorry it's eluding you.

Scenario A:

Me: Is this your position?
You: That's not my position! Strawman!

Scenario B:

Me: This is your position, here is my refutation of it!
You: That's not my position! Strawman!

...

In Scenario B, you were correct to call me out. In Scenario A (which was based on the actual exchange between us) you have demonstrated your lack of knowledge of this most basic of logical fallacies.

I can't seem to grasp enough content from the rest of your post to warrant a reply...

 

[LithiumLulu]

Scenario A:

Me: Is this your position?
You: That's not my position! Strawman!

Scenario B:

Me: This is your position, here is my refutation of it!
You: That's not my position! Strawman!

...

In Scenario B, you were correct to call me out. In Scenario A (which was based on the actual exchange between us) you have demonstrated your lack of knowledge of this most basic of logical fallacies.

I can't seem to grasp enough content from the rest of your post to warrant a reply...

You can pretend that wasn't what you were doing if you want, it doesn't really make a difference to me. The way others responded indicates that I pretty much nailed your modus operandi.

Couldn't come up with anything witty about the emo comments, huh? No problem, but really, do melodramatic sighs have any place in this kind of discussion. Or is that another of your techniques you'd rather I didn't point out?

 

[thisisaformicatable]

You can pretend that wasn't what you were doing if you want, it doesn't really make a difference to me. The way others responded indicates that I pretty much nailed your modus operandi.

Or else they share your common misconception of what a strawman is, which is probably more likely.

Couldn't come up with anything witty about the emo comments, huh? No problem, but really, do melodramatic sighs have any place in this kind of discussion. Or is that another of your techniques you'd rather I didn't point out?

No, just don't feel like exchanging personal attacks. What's the point?

 

[LithiumLulu]

Or else they share your common misconception of what a strawman is, which is probably more likely.

Do you think because you left yourself a little trap door to escape through (and I'm taking your word on it because I don't care enough to go back and check) that everyone doesn't see what you were trying to do? I think you've severly underestimated people's ablility to think and reason. Perhaps that's why you'd like to see us all lose it, it frightens you. (see, I said 'Perhaps' so I'm just speculating, thus it's not a strawman because I'm not really restating your position)

No, just don't feel like exchanging personal attacks. What's the point?

That's funny. Didn't you just wonder out loud why people take things personally? Oh *sigh* this all makes me so tired.

 

[thisisaformicatable]

Do you think because you left yourself a little trap door to escape through (and I'm taking your word on it because I don't care enough to go back and check) that everyone doesn't see what you were trying to do?

The only thing I was *trying* to do was better understand your position by asking you a question about it. Imagine whatever malicious intentions you desire, but don't mislabel it a strawman.

I'm not going to bother with the rest as it has dissolved into name-calling and other pettiness.

 

[cookiecutter]

As starter of this thread, I would like to request that you two take this argument to PMs, because it is off topic now.

 

[thisisaformicatable]

Logical fallacy education is always on topic.

 

[Matt]

Arguing on the internet is like the Special Olympics...

It's fun and heart warming?

It's a great cause?

 

[cookiecutter]

Ok, I found this little tidbit on youtube. It is a CNN story about discrimination against Atheists. Part 1 is actually very good and shows how horrible it would be to be discriminated against for your beliefs. Part 2 however is a travesty. It is a panel discussion where they failed to get an Atheists! How stupid can you get. Instead they find some asshole ignorant Christian, an ass hole ignorant Jew, and Stephen A. Smith, a sport analyst completely out of his depth looking like the voice of reason. The Jewish woman has some retarded theory that Atheists turn into muslims like in Europe. She needs some logical fallacy education about correlation and causation. The woman Christian tried to say that Atheists persecute Christians because we took prayers out of the schools. Not only is that not true (you can pray in school, just not forced), banning mandatory prayer is constitutional. These people make me sick. Anyway, just watch the video.

[youtube]http://youtube.com/watch?v=tiyJzWy3CDQ[/youtube]
[youtube]http://youtube.com/watch?v=fPHnXrU5JzU[/youtube]

Links if the embed didn't work:
Pt1: http://youtube.com/watch?v=tiyJzWy3CDQ
Pt2: http://youtube.com/watch?v=fPHnXrU5JzU

 

[Rabid Headbanger]

The church is slowly disintegrating anyways.

It's a matter of time.

 

[Ender Rises]

It's a great cause?

It raises self esteem?

 

[Rabid Headbanger]

It makes me laugh?

 

[unknown]

I remember those debates, and, if my memory is right, they had a follow up debate because a Digg effect caused CNN to be flooded with angry letters. So CNN hosted another debate this time with an atheist, but it was still complete nonsense

 

[cookiecutter]

The ignorance is so awful and overwhelming it just frustrates me terribly.

 

[Pessimism]

I remember those debates too; t'was hilarious in a horribly frightening way.

Anyone else here wonder what is going through uber fundy Rupert Murdoch's head right now? After buying Dow Jones (publishing company of the Wall Street Journal), it should be obvious that this is definitely a political and economic move - I just have no idea what will be gained and lost seeing I have not followed his tyrannical since a few months ago.

Should we expect another reliable source for news like Fox & friends?