the most profound expressions of antichristianity in metal

[einride]

what bands and songs in metal (or music in general, in fact) have made an actual good, reasonably eloquent case against god and his friends throughout the years?

i mean it's easy to yell that god is a dumby but it's not really interesting until you yell it with well rooted conviction now is it

 

[EricT]

I believe the answer is "none".

 

[einride]

I believe the answer is "none".

i am often inclined to say the same thing

 

[einride]

fates warning "anarchy divine" is a very tasteful sort of fuck you though

 

[Krilons Resa]

^ tru dat

 

[einride]

Your question is too narrow since there have been bands, like Deathspell Omega, who don't deny God or make a claim against him, but who would argue that Satan is the most supreme being defined in direct opposition and rebellion against God and Christ. Which, in my opinion, is far more powerful than any typically juvenile church-burning bullshit.

my question is not "too narrow." my question is specific, because i don't think THAT particular brand of bullshit is "more powerful" at all, i think it is a lie. i am of the opinion that if you accept orthodox christianity as essentially true yet decide to side with "satan" you're pretty much an idiot. satan is only powerful as the accuser -- as a symbol of the possibility given by christianity to oppose the will of god. it takes a lot of courage to side with satan with the overwhelming evidence in christian orthodoxy implying that it's just not possible to win that way, but those who manage to read between the lines and reject the entire faith have my admiration more than those who insist on being on the losing team.

i also happen to think deathspell omega (at least "si monumentum...") is a lot more half broken middle english and pretention than actual substance

 

[Divine Victim]

I don't turn to metal for sophisticated philosophical commentary, and I don't understand why someone would even want to. It is a pretty terrible medium for making academically coherent statements; if that is what I wanted, I would read a book or go to a lecture/debate. I think Sarcofago were appreciative of this fact when they penned the poignant refrain "Fuck you! Fuck you! Fuck you Jesus Christ!"

 

[lurch70]

doesn't someone's belief in Satan at the same time acknowledge his belief in God's existence?

 

[WhiteBeastofWotan]

To hell with "profound expressions". I'd take D666 style lyrics before an essay growled over music.

 

[EricT]

When lyrics start to get overly preachy, the music tends to take a side step and ends up sucking dick. The obvious exception is Deathspell Omega, granted, you can't understand what the fuck they're saying on their recordings anyway, and for all we know they could be screaming about how much they love Sarcozy.

 

[einride]

Well for starters I think that "Si Monumentum.." is more of a glorification of the metaphysical Satan, where function takes precedence over form, than it is an appeal to the listener. I also don't think that this particular brand of Satan worshippers feels the need to be on the "winning team". This ignores the appeal of Satanism, that regardless of your ultimate destiny you chose to side not with the "might makes right" crowd who were already the projected winners but rather you chose freedom in the face of destruction.

the appeal of satanism is nil if christianity is true.

doesn't someone's belief in Satan at the same time acknowledge his belief in God's existence?

yes. and honestly, i don't see how you could read the bible, believe what you're reading, and still side with him. he usually appears as extremely powerless. it is an entirely different thing to side with lucifer in a symbolical sense as accepting his pride and decision to rebel from god as the righteous thing to do (as is my personal belief)

 

[einride]

To hell with "profound expressions". I'd take D666 style lyrics before an essay growled over music.

destroyer 666 has some of the best written lyrics in metal, and are actually a top class contender for this thread, so i'm puzzled as to why you would choose them as an example of lack of profundity.

 

[einride]

Exactly, they might even be considered Christians since they acknowledge the divinity of Christ. The Satanist and the Christian turn to the same book for salvation, and in that lies the ultimate perversion!

can you explain how there is salvation in the devil if christianity is true? i'm honestly curious, because i see a lot of needlessly convoluted bullshit on the matter and few solid arguments.

 

[WhiteBeastofWotan]

destroyer 666 has some of the best written lyrics in metal, and are actually a top class contender for this thread, so i'm puzzled as to why you would choose them as an example of lack of profundity.

God is dead
Praise hail Satan
Cross has dread
Will to power!

Victory is one!

Satan has rise
Phallus demons break
Jet black fire
Evil they make

Victory is one!

Decimation on command
One word - ATTACK! ATTACK! ATTACK!
Decimation on command
One words - ATTACK! ATTACK! ATTACK!

God is dead
World is burning
People die in plague
Victory to the grave

Victory is one!

Ride forth sons of perdition
Dominate fuck and destroy
By blood and thunder - rise of the heretics
Satan has won!

Stealth it rapes
Black shark takes
Dark war awake

Victory is one!

Sons of perdition
In-semi-nate
Wolf kult religion

Victory is one!

Ride forth sons of perdition
Dominate fuck and destroy
By blood and thunder - rise of the heretics
Satan has won

 

[einride]

yeah so "sons of perdition" was explicitely written as a tribute to SARCOFAGO and other bands of that ilk, and intentionally written in broken english as primitively as possible, so thanks for posting the exception that confirms the rule

why don't you post "trialed by fire", "tyranny of the inevitable" or "genesis to genocide" instead

 

[WhiteBeastofWotan]

yeah so "sons of perdition" was explicitely written as a tribute to SARCOFAGO and other bands of that ilk, and intentionally written in broken english as primitively as possible, so thanks for posting the exception that confirms the rule

why don't you post "trialed by fire", "tyranny of the inevitable" or "genesis to genocide" instead

Well, I still wouldn't call those profound, but I don't think they're shitty. I think they're perfect for the band.

 

[EricT]

If you do believe that whore biblical mumbo jumbo though, whats the point of siding with Satan? Suffering for eternity doesn't exactly sound great when compared to "eternal bliss". Actually, it sounds pretty fucking stupid to do so.

 

[Demilich]

I haven't listened to enough metal or paid enough attention to lyrics of anti-Xtian bands lately, can't think of a good example, but I have a non-metal song to post that I think has some well-done Jesus-bashing:

Simon Finn - Jerusalem (from the Pass the Distance album, 1970)


the smell of newly-cut corn came sifting through the palm trees
my eyes they were blinded by the sun reflecting on the seas
one hundred dozen mermaids smiled as i passed through the haze
the sound of familiar voices of yonder days

jerusalem, jerusalem, jerusalem oh no no

jerusalem was made by a guy oh i forget his name
and jesus was a drop-out a king who bore no crown
only his long hair flowing and blowing in the wind

and jesus was a fisherman that's all he had to say
oh yeah, said "now follow me disciples lead your lives a different way"
and he rode into jerusalem on a donkey both bedraggled and lame
and his pharisees cursed his every word
but did not laugh---that made a change

and jesus was a good guy who lived on figs and wine
a political revolutionary out to let you have good time

jerusalem, jerusalem, jerusalem oh no no
the sun it was rising just to christen his cross of fame

did he imagine at that moment
two hundred million hypocrites would praise his name?
and were he now to come down those hypocrites would crucify him again
and through the sweating crowds,
tears streaming down my face till i'm going insane

i'm crying:
jerusalem, jerusalem, jerusalem oh no no
jerusalem, jerusalem, jerusalem oh no no

the smell of newly-cut corn came sifting through those palm trees
my eyes they were blinded by the sun reflecting on the seas
well that same sun was rising just to christen his cross of fame
did he imagine at that moment
two hundred million hypocrites would praise his name?
and were he now to come down those hypocrites would crucify him again
and through the sweating crowds,
tears streaming down my face till i'm going insane

i'm crying:
jerusalem, jerusalem, jerusalem oh no no
jerusalem, jerusalem, jerusalem oh no no

they're gonna put him inside
and i'm yelling all i can can't you see he's the christ? oh no no

and they don't understand a single word i say
but i'm crying just the same

jerusalem jerusalem, jerusalem, oh no no jerusalem
jerusalem, jerusalem, oh no no

gonna put him inside i'm yelling all i can can't you see he's the christ

oh the christ the christ the christ

jerusalem jerusalem, jerusalem

 

[WhiteBeastofWotan]

satan's just way more badass

 

[einride]

I don't follow.

i should think we can agree that there is no supposed earthly freedom in the world that would justify ETERNAL torment in the afterlife (think about it: eternity is one hell of a long time, pun not intended.) or do you not believe in eternal punishment? i'll admit the bible is sort of vague on the matter.

Satan brought humanity out of the Garden of Eden, he was the first teacher who endowed humans with any sort of knowledge. Knowledge has always been antithesis to god, since it is what separated god from man.

satan is powerless since essentially throughout the old testament he is a puppet of god and does nothing without his knowledge. orthodox christianity is not a dualistic system of belief; satan is not a deity but distinctly subservient to the one and almighty god.

god knows all about what satan is doing and has allowed it -- it was not satan but the free will endowed unto humanity by god that brought man out of the garden of eden. if you choose to believe christianity then it is hard to imagine this face of satan to be anything but the "tempter" who "tests your faith" basically with god's full approval. this is what i mean when i say "losing team" -- as a satanist in this sense you simply cannot win because you are acknowledging that you are worshipping a lesser being, one that is in no way deserving of being called a deity.

also, it's not just about knowledge: there are a lot of things that separate god from man, including, for example, the power to create out of nothing. let's see man do that! whatever little knowledge man can hope to have is essentially nil compared to the INFINITE (again, infinity is a really fucking big number) knowledge of god. sorry, but man and satan lose again.

If Satan had never acted to bring humanity out of the garden there would have been no sin and Christ's sacrifice would have been worthless. Powerless? Satan set the whole thing motion!

i'll do you one better: there would have been no NEED for christ, and that would have been preferable in the eyes of any christian, paradoxically enough.