The Political & Philosophy Thread

[rms]

I feel like you're minimizing or forgetting the historical reasons why the 1st Amendment was established in the first country?


Yep, no charities are corrupt and no service members have their own reasons for sacrificing freedom/life/etc...

 

[zabu of nΩd]

There are numerous historical reasons why it was established, just as there are numerous rights it guarantees. Which one are you referring to, specifically?

"Yep, all charities are corrupt and all service members have selfish reasons for getting themselves killed." Is that what you're implying, or would you care to offer a more comprehensive and itemized explanation of why every single thing humans ever do is motivated by self-interest? You're making a very ambitious claim, in case you haven't realized.

 

[rms]

I don't get the confusion here.

You said you wanted facebook to censor because you trusted them to do it properly

I asked why you (and libs) have faith in 'authority' figures to use their power for good

You then say google did well by not releasing info to the gov't (likely without court approval) -- and this is google being more interested in ethics than their business? you think Apple was good for not unbreaking their phone for the terrorist dude? While they enslave Asians for pennies?

bleh

 

[CiG]

i am pro-mandatory-abortion below a certain income

Fucking ridiculous bullshit view, congratulations. But you are Asian so maybe you have some authoritarian Chinese government in your blood.

 

[arg]

i do have some chinese on both sides so that could be it lol

 

[Cythraul]

So funny how fast SJWs have switched on to secession.

It's great, isn't it? I really want California to secede and then go full open borders. Then send all the white leftoids there to live with the Mexicans and Squatemalans and don't let them out (no running off to Portland! That would be racist.)

 

[zabu of nΩd]

I don't get the confusion here.

You said you wanted facebook to censor because you trusted them to do it properly

I asked why you (and libs) have faith in 'authority' figures to use their power for good

You then say google did well by not releasing info to the gov't (likely without court approval) -- and this is google being more interested in ethics than their business? you think Apple was good for not unbreaking their phone for the terrorist dude? While they enslave Asians for pennies?

bleh

I want Facebook to censor lies masquerading as news, because it's the right thing to do, and at least they can do it legally, unlike the federal government. There's a good chance they'll do it, because while making money is clearly their primary motive, their brand value (as with Apple and Google) still depends partly on the public's perception of their ethical standards.

 

[rms]

facebook's definition of what a lie is will not be the same as yours or mine or whoever else. Their definition of lie will be centered around profit motives, if that is OK with you that's fine. It's just such a fundamental disagreement to me that there is nowhere to go with this discussion

 

[Dak]

It's great, isn't it? I really want California to secede and then go full open borders. Then send all the white leftoids there to live with the Mexicans and Squatemalans and don't let them out (no running off to Portland! That would be racist.)

I think this difference in reaction to threats of secession is a microcosmic example of totally different operational orientations. When the right wants to secede the left threatens death. When the left wants to secede it's fuckin Bye Felicia.

 

[Einherjar86]

I don't think that's true. When Texas talked about seceding most leftists were definitely okay with it. To be honest, most leftists I know jokingly talked about letting the South secede - to hell with them, let them go, etc...

I say "jokingly" not because I think leftists secretly, desperately want conservatives to stay in the union (for economic reasons or whatever), but because I think most leftists probably have a better understanding of how secession would open the newly divided states up to increased external threats.

 

[rms]

NY has it too, NYC & NYS and Colorado is having it too. Not sure how to characterize the left response to it

 

[Dak]

I don't think that's true. When Texas talked about seceding most leftists were definitely okay with it. To be honest, most leftists I know jokingly talked about letting the South secede - to hell with them, let them go, etc...

I say "jokingly" not because I think leftists secretly, desperately want conservatives to stay in the union (for economic reasons or whatever), but because I think most leftists probably have a better understanding of how secession would open the newly divided states up to increased external threats.

I remember quite a bit of outrage at all the secession petitions after Obamas re-election, and jokes about "remember what happened last time?", etc. I believe some leftists would be glad to not be associated with "dumb states" (obviously, what with the new secession talk), but I find it hard to believe they would be against secession because they feel concern for Alabama being invaded or whatever.

 

[Einherjar86]

I don't think the concern is for "Alabama being invaded or whatever." I think the primary concern would be for the weakness of the remaining states that others have seceded from. Obviously this is a very generic concern, since the scenario itself is speculative; but I think such radical maneuvers as secession are often viewed ultimately with skepticism because of the potential geopolitical implications. I don't think that's hard to believe.

And jokes about "remember what happened last time?" are just that - jokes. You can read into them either implicit sincerity or implicit indifference.

For what it's worth, I also think that current threats of secession are not so much serious statements of intent as they are sarcastic hyperboles.

 

[Cythraul]

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[The Ozzman]

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[The Ozzman]

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[Baroque]

WE WUZ KANGS

Presidents, at least

 

[Dak]

On that note, I just watched a well off black man and a well off mixed man on an incredibly popular show talk about how oppressed they are, exemplified by the fact that a rich, politically entrenched white woman didn't win an election. I've only read Coates before, but hadn't sought out any video. The rambling, incoherent, fuckinracism diatribes he pens with unsurprising frequency given the literary and media milieu now have a clearer personal context. Coates is out of his intellectual depth even sitting across the table from Trevor Noah, who no intelligent person would confuse with an intellectual (which is excusable given that he is on Comedy Central, but unfortunately no one would confuse him with a comedian either).

In addition to his ignorance and myopia, Coates shows incredible lack of self-awareness, displayed in his anger that any white person might harbor the same sort of bigotry which he verbosely spews unqualified and unashamedly. If Coates is ever accurate about white racism, it is in so far as he is a member of an instigating cadre.

 

[Dak]

http://www.salon.com/2016/12/15/hey-president-donald-trump-do-you-know-where-your-bombs-are-falling/

Oh hai anti-war left. Where have you been the last 8 years?

With a Trump administration on the horizon, it should be easier to see just what an irresponsible folly it’s been to allow the power of the presidency and the national security state to balloon in such an uncontrolled, unchecked way.

I wish I had the slightest hope that our newly elected Republican Congress would find its long-lost spine

Not the only spineless thing around.

 

[Dak]

http://blog.dilbert.com/post/154679929646/watching-the-climate-science-bubbles-from-the

Given the wildly different assessments of climate change risks within the non-scientist community, perhaps we need some sort of insurance/betting market. That would allow the climate science alarmists to buy “insurance” from the climate science skeptics. That way if the climate goes bad at least the alarmists will have extra cash to build their underground homes. And that cash will come out of the pockets of the science-deniers. Sweet!

But if the deniers are right, and they want to be rewarded by the alarmists for their rightness, the insurance/betting market would make that possible.

It would also be fascinating to see where the public put the betting odds for climate science. Would people expose themselves to both sides of the debate before betting?