the pro tools back lash

Some bits more than others Oz.

Tape machines - yes.
Desk - yes.
Outboard - not so much.

And yes, servicing is usually quite expensive, but there are many things that can be fixed by yourself if you have a bit knowledge and the manuals. What I like is that when something breaks, 9 out of 10 times I know where the problem is... where as with digital units... :zombie:

I like the character of analog, I like having units, I like pots and buttons. I really like digital too and I couldn't imagine working without it these days (recall comes to mind).
 
Skinny Viking said:
Please, just no more of the vodka with candies stuffed in the bottle ... couple of my Finn buddies almost killed me with that when they rolled through Philly a few months ago :puke:
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Ah, you mean Fisu, Fishermans Friend + vodka :)

The Unavoidable said:
Hah, you should try Minttu. You'll never brush your teeth again.
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You should try "Mennen"; Minttu + Coke. Tastes like toothpaste or mouthwash, sugary as hell.
 
They actually have stuff called Fisk in Denmark!
That should be about the same!
I lived by the moment when drinking that stuff, its lethal! to bad the moment i was kissing 2 myspace emo chicks at once in "the rock" didn't last that long haha
 
Danish have a knack for that it seems.. this it btw..
try it!!
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Once in 89 I got drunk in Gammeldansk at the midtfyns festival!!, and never ever have I touched the stuff since!..... :puke:
Its said that its brewed on boxing gloves and used condoms :Smug: but once you have puked from the stuff you´ll never forget it!!.....:ill:
 
MortenDK said:
Once in 89 I got drunk in Gammeldansk at the midtfyns festival!!, and never ever have I touched the stuff since!..... :puke:
Its said that its brewed on boxing gloves and used condoms :Smug: but once you have puked from the stuff you´ll never forget it!!.....:ill:
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:lol: Man, Denmark has some pretty offensive booze...
 
True!!, Theres a hole variaty of that stuff(gammaldansk) like whisky, called bitters!!, its faul stuff they will give you the worst drunken stupor EVER!!, you´ll do the weirdest things on that stuff...:zombie:
 
aramism said:
i don't see how there is an argument. all these tricks are done because the music requires it. you guys forget that this is all a business and the band is the product. the labels decide that the product needs to sound like X. andy and james are hired to make X. X is nearly impossible without the use of editing and all that jazz. for starters, it is impossible music to play with that level of clarity and consistency for the amount of time needed. what's so hard to understand???

take job for a cowboy, awesome mix, shitty band. i saw them live, sounded NOTHING like the record. these bands should look at themselves first. they are out of their league writing and recording music that their real musicianship doesn't match.

you can't take music like the black album which is less technically challenging and had a fucking 10 year production time and use it as an example. it's not comparing apples to apples and it is a total bogus argument with no validity whatsoever. you find me a band that can record high bpm double bass parts with all those tom rolls and crazy shit tightly live all together and i will find you a band that doesn't exist, or if it does is very scarce. i'm sure if the drummers practiced 8 hours a day for months with a metronome they might get close but in the real world with the way the music business is there is no time for that and the labels give bands no time. unless you are at the top of the pile when it comes to major label big acts you don't have the luxury of time. it's like TOUR RECORD TOUR RECORD TOUR TOUR RECORD. etc. etc.

this is an analogy i came up with when thinking about this. most of these bands are ugly ass women with the bodies of 12 year olds boys. after a boob job, lipo, ass enhancement, visual touch up, etc. etc. and they can be made into pornstars. don't believe me??? look at a lot of earlier photos of your favorite pornstars, they looked ugly, no tits, no ass, nothing 5 years ago. through all enhancements they look hot all of a sudden. porn companies market them and people buy it and view it and do all types of obscene things with it. now, if said pornstar complains that she does not want the silicone or botox or whatever the hell they use and does a video all natural and she looks disgusting and no one except 5 weird people buy it instead of 50,000 who is she going to blame??? the makers of silicone? no. she can blame herself for being ugly in the first place. even if not pornstars all these hot actresses and signers look not as attractive without the surgery and the makeup. so unless you possess natural beauty, or in this case, the ability to play what you write with consistency... shut the fuck up.
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SPOT ON, IMO!
 
cobhc said:
I can see this slowly turning into another "Is it ok to record things at a slower speed so I can play it correctly, and then speed it back up?" conversation. At the end of the day if it sounds good, it sounds good, I personally don't care whether samples were used on the drums, whether the engineer re-recorded everything himself or whether they used DFHS because the drummer couldn't nail it in the studio. We're talking about how things sound on an album here, and it doesn't matter how the album gets to where it's going sonically, as long as it gets there. Live is a different beast, that's where the band HAS to be able to play their shit properly.

Let me propose a situation to everyone who doesn't like the idea of sample replacement and editing tweaks (quantizing, tightening stuff up, etc.). What would you do if you had a pro band in the studio, with a record company pushing you to release the album on time, and the drummer (who is usually fucking cock on with his drumming) was ill but could bluff his way through it well enough so some editing and some sample replacement would sort it and make it sound how they wanted it? Would you tell them you couldn't do it, because that's not the way you work, thus giving you a bad name to the band, the record company, and doing yourself out of a serious amount of cash? Or would you just do what needed to be done to make a good sounding record? I know what I'd personally do, sure I'd prefer the drummer to come back and do the tracks when he's feeling well and can nail them, but I'd do what needed to be done.

And the fact is, like James said most bands in modern metal NEED some kind of help with their performances, whether it's due to my previously mentioned situation, or the fact that they're technically not good enough. I'm sure I've seen mentioned before by some of you guys something along the lines that if a band can't quite nail their stuff in the studio, then as long as the record sounds good, it's not your problem if they can't nail stuff live.

Take all this how you want it, but I just think that you have to do what needs to be done in any situation, whether you agree with it or not.

Hope I don't offend anyone.

Cheers.
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Again, Spot On!
I was dissapointed when i saw Chimiara and Devildriver live a few months back as they werent very tight and tonally didnt sound very good (thin guitars, boomy drums etc). Is this andy's fault?, no, its the band and sound engineers fault that they arent able to live up to the tightness, consistancy and great tones of their albums.
Is it an impossible ask?, no, go see meshuggah live! Spot on.
 
Sneap, Murphy, and aramism win this one pretty hardcore.

If a band were to come out and say "Yeah, fuck sample replacement, we shouldn't have used it to mask our incompetence and general failure at existence because it's dishonest..." it would be one thing, but to point the finger at their producer after consenting to using it in the first place is shit. It's not like it's impossible to get good sounds out of *good* musicians, unless I've missed something fundamental in music and we've been doing everything with trickery since Paganini forced a very-well trained cat into his violin and stabbed it wildly while pretending to play...

Jeff
 
dream theater is super tight live, lamb of god, arch enemy but meshuggah might be that one band that is perfect. i've seen them a lot and the only time my jaw closed was to give me a chance to clear the drool coming out of my mouth. seeing "bleed" played live restored my faith in humanity.
 
aramism said:
dream theater is super tight live, lamb of god, arch enemy but meshuggah might be that one band that is perfect. i've seen them a lot and the only time my jaw closed was to give me a chance to clear the drool coming out of my mouth. seeing "bleed" played live restored my faith in humanity.
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Funny thing is, I've seen Meshuggah live both personally and on video and they do fuck up on stage, probably quite a lot. But as a band they're tight enough to just play through their mistakes.
 
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