Thought About People Leaving Before Nevermore
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Purveyor Of Evil
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TheWhisper
Cobra Kai Never Dies
This whole topic is totally insane. It's a given that by the end of the last band on both nights of the fest, the audience has thinned out. This has happened every year.
Personally, I think it's pretty lame... I mean, you're there for the music, right... why pussy out when you've already stuck it out for that long. I'm a huge Blind Guardian, and not much of a Pain Of Salvation fan, but I still stuck around for every last note of Pain Of Salvation at ProgPower III, because, hey, why the fuck else am I there, if not to watch the performances? I didn't drive all the fucking way to Atlanta to get an extra half hour of sleep or chug one last beer before the bar closes or get out early so I don't have to wait in line at the sandwich shop that no longer exists!
Anyway, now that I've gotten that out of my system... it should be pretty obvious to anyone that there are people milling about the audience and watching sets of earlier bands that they're not that into, in anticipation of a later band which they really like. But by the time the last act of the night comes on and works their way through the longest set of the night, the audience will have thinned out. Some people who aren't that into the headliner will simply drift away, since there's no one playing after them to wait for anyway. Some people will get offended by the very notion that a band they're not into had the gall to play the fest, and leave before their set even starts. Others hang around for a few songs then just sort of drift away. I am quite certain the attrition rate for Evergrey and Nevermore this year will not be nearly as large as the disappointing exodus that took place for Pain Of Salvation in 2002 or Rage in 2003, but one thing is for sure... the venue is never as crowded by 1:00 AM as it is around 11:00 PM - 12:00 PM.
Personally, I think it's pretty lame... I mean, you're there for the music, right... why pussy out when you've already stuck it out for that long. I'm a huge Blind Guardian, and not much of a Pain Of Salvation fan, but I still stuck around for every last note of Pain Of Salvation at ProgPower III, because, hey, why the fuck else am I there, if not to watch the performances? I didn't drive all the fucking way to Atlanta to get an extra half hour of sleep or chug one last beer before the bar closes or get out early so I don't have to wait in line at the sandwich shop that no longer exists!
Anyway, now that I've gotten that out of my system... it should be pretty obvious to anyone that there are people milling about the audience and watching sets of earlier bands that they're not that into, in anticipation of a later band which they really like. But by the time the last act of the night comes on and works their way through the longest set of the night, the audience will have thinned out. Some people who aren't that into the headliner will simply drift away, since there's no one playing after them to wait for anyway. Some people will get offended by the very notion that a band they're not into had the gall to play the fest, and leave before their set even starts. Others hang around for a few songs then just sort of drift away. I am quite certain the attrition rate for Evergrey and Nevermore this year will not be nearly as large as the disappointing exodus that took place for Pain Of Salvation in 2002 or Rage in 2003, but one thing is for sure... the venue is never as crowded by 1:00 AM as it is around 11:00 PM - 12:00 PM.
booB
Señor Member
Thanks Sumeet, this is exactly what I've been saying. It doesn't matter who headlines; the #4 performer will ALWAYS have a more well-packed venue than the #5 performer for this very reason.
Pellaz
Tigron of Immanion
booB said:
Hmmm, not always. I was told Stratovarius had a larger crowd last year than Therion, at least when their set started...and that was entirely to be expected. The place certainly looked packed during Strato. I can't speak to Therion's crowd-size because I was in the front and basically couldn't see all the way to the back.
I remember looking out through the curtain right before their set started and thinking "damn, small crowd, oh well"....and then during their set, thinking "For such a small group of people, they're making a helluva lot of noise." Clearly, some more people had come in.
Not in a million years i would leave a headliner Nevermore show, i´ve seen them tons of times and they always deliver 110%. I will take the trip from Europe just to see Nevermore....All who doubt they´re abilities you are missing out on something very special
General Zod
Ruler of Australia
Last year was the first time (out of PP3-6) that we stayed for the last band's entire set on Sat, and even then I just wasn't as into it (though I still haven't decided whether that was because I was worn out or Stratovarius just didn't put on that great of a show). Friday night's usually not that bad, but fact is by the time the 10th band comes on, I'm not just physically tired I'm also growing weary of the concert experience in general (this was especially true last year after also attending the pre-party). Throw in a band I'm ambivalent about it it's just really hard to care enough to stay. So we'll probably do the same as at PP3-5 and sit in the stands for the first few songs and then head out. I'm actually almost relieved that the 10th band is somebody I'm not into because even if it was somebody I liked I probably wouldn't be able to fully enjoy them in that slot.
Evil
Drunken Bastard
AngraRULES said:That's exactly my thought... Leave if you want, you're just gonna miss a killer fucking show and we'll think about it in the future and laugh at those who miss it
thats a matter of taste my friend...i'll stick around for a few minutes to see what the buzz is about.. THEN go drinking
AngraRULES
Member
jkohn said:
This kind of attitude has always sort of annoyed to me. This reads to me like "Waaaaaa... I'm tired... I'm weary of the concert experience... I want the nurse to put me back in my wheelchair and take me back to the retirement home... waaaaaaa!" Come on! It's a metal concert! Have some balls!
Before I completely offend every last person who leaves early, let me say that I am obviously being sarcastic here, I do realize that you have the right to leave whenever you want, and I don't actually care when anyone else leaves. I suppose the whole idea of it just seems strange to me because my perspective is different. To me, going to ProgPower only to miss out on performances is like going to the best restaurant in the country, ordering a big meal, paying for it, then just walking out after a couple bites.
Pellaz said:Hmmm, not always. I was told Stratovarius had a larger crowd last year than Therion, at least when their set started...and that was entirely to be expected. The place certainly looked packed during Strato. I can't speak to Therion's crowd-size because I was in the front and basically couldn't see all the way to the back.
I remember looking out through the curtain right before their set started and thinking "damn, small crowd, oh well"....and then during their set, thinking "For such a small group of people, they're making a helluva lot of noise." Clearly, some more people had come in.
I don't know the exact numbers, but from looking at the crowd at the start of Stratovarius' set, I certainly believe that it was as large as the crowd for Therion. However, Stratovarius did play for a good solid amount of time, and by 1:00 AM, even a quick glance backwards at the audience indicated a noticeable thinning out...
SharkBlack
Member
I think the last two years the Saturday night headliner had a bigger crowd than the #2.
Of course, at V it was Pain of Salvation, when half the crowd routinely goes to find something else to do while the other half spends the next 90 minutes yelling "not worthy!"
Personally, I'm going to be very interested to see how fast this one sells out. This is the first time since PPII that there hasn't been a brand new headliner with wide appeal. I think Nevermore is more of a Pain of Salvation type following, with plenty of diehards but a lot of people turned off by the weird vocals and song structures. And Evergrey has been here for like half the Progpowers.
My bet is 15 days to sell out. Which says something about how awesome progpower is when 15 days to sell out is a subpar year.
Of course, at V it was Pain of Salvation, when half the crowd routinely goes to find something else to do while the other half spends the next 90 minutes yelling "not worthy!"
Personally, I'm going to be very interested to see how fast this one sells out. This is the first time since PPII that there hasn't been a brand new headliner with wide appeal. I think Nevermore is more of a Pain of Salvation type following, with plenty of diehards but a lot of people turned off by the weird vocals and song structures. And Evergrey has been here for like half the Progpowers.
My bet is 15 days to sell out. Which says something about how awesome progpower is when 15 days to sell out is a subpar year.
Ascension
New Metal Member
General Zod said:Nope. It simply highlights how poor your taste in music is. Carry on.
Zod
Let's see... Dream Theater (my fav band) & Nevermore (one of your fav bands)played Gigantour. Nevermore played a menial role, didn't draw a crowd, and in my opinion & others at the shows...failed to impress. DT,on the other hand, ripped peoples heads off & carried that tour. Now, granted Gigantour probably didn't do as well as expected. But, it definitely was a start and had a good buzz. I promise you...had Nevermore been in DT's slot...that tour would have went in the toilet fast.
So, that being said, don't come with that..."how poor your taste in music is" bullshit. Nevermore couldn't carry DT's nutsacks...pure & simple.
BTW...Vanden Plas would have been a bigger draw instead of Nevermore...IMO. Their Christ 0 release should go over big. Nevermore couldn't carry their nutsacks either.
dcowboys311
Member
Ascension said:
Of course it would... it doesn't take a genius to figure out that Dream Theater is much more popular in the US than Nevermore. Whichever band you like more, obviously Dream Theater is going to draw more people on a package bill than Nevermore. As for Vanden Plas, while they're a great band, if you seriously think they're a bigger draw in the US than Nevermore, I need to get some of whatever you're smoking...
Ascension
New Metal Member
dcowboys311 said:
Did you go to the show in Gwinnett? Either way...let me update you.. Before DT, crowd was half capacity...during DT, place was packed...after DT about 3/4 capacity. And that's pretty much how it was at the 2 FL shows I went to as well. And from the reports posted on different forums...including Gigantour's...that's how it was for the entire tour.
