top 5 non-metal albums of all time

[Mort Divine]

'Musical' - as in containing music. In the 90's, everything that was punk, indie, or 'alternative', started to create new, more hollow strains of themselves that slowly strangled everything else in sight. Strains which relied COMPLETELY upon vocal hooks, not unlike hip hop. Thus less instrumentation, thus less music. There surely WAS less of that in ROCK MUSIC in the 70's and that is most definitely a fact. Turn on the 'modern rock' radio station right now and hear the huge glut of bands that carry on that disgusting musical tradition. Listen to the mix even. Can't pick out a lot through the second filter of the FM signal? That's because there's NO MUSIC. It's rock sound. White noise.

ANNNNNNNNDDDDDDD

We all know that Slint didn't release Spiderland in 1991, Beck wasn't releasing absolutely great and creative albums through the decade, stoner rock didn't absolutely EXPLODE under the creativity of acts like Kyuss and Yawning Man, Cursive didn't release innovative cello/horn section infused albums like The Ugly Organ, post-rock didn't completely blow the fuck up into a massive legitimate genre, Broken Social Scene didn't form and take indie rock by storm, Sunny Day Real Estate, Mineral, Jimmy Eat World, etc. and however many important 90s rock bands didn't actually completely transform the face of emo as a whole, and Jeff Buckley didn't release two great albums in the 90s.

None of that totally ever happened.

 

[Omni]

I think it's also safe to say that bands in the 60s and 70s on average cared a lot more about melody.

Not like emphasis on melody is indicative of musical quality or something, although I do agree with you that past decades had more successful artists that were talented than the 1990's.

 

[The Ozzman]

Jimmy Eat World was important?

 

[Mort Divine]

Relevant bands? Compared to the monoliths of music history, Rilo Kiley and No Doubt are far from "relevant."

Rilo Kiley perhaps not, but No Doubt are an iconic band of the 90s.

Ever notice how 99% of the mainstream "hits" of today are absolute garbage, whereas the hits of the 60s and 70s were often actually great songs? I think there's a little more to it than just "perspective".

I think it's also safe to say that bands in the 60s and 70s on average cared a lot more about melody.

The things which the average listener values has changed, yes, but that doesn't remove the fact that there are creative bands out there doing things no one before them has. Animal Collective, Radiohead, Nine Inch Nails, Joanna Newsom, the entire shoegaze movement but especially My Bloody Valentine, aforementioned Beck, Faith No More, etc.

No, it isn't safe to say, you're just a tool who happens to have an awful and completely skewed view of what music should be.

 

[Mort Divine]

Jimmy Eat World was important?

Prior to Bleed American they released an album titled Clarity. It is nothing like their current output and is actually quite emotionally charged, down to earth, and pretty unique - considering how the whole indie emo sound tended to blend together after a few bands.

 

[Omni]

Nine Inch Nails wasn't very original at all. I'm assuming that you've never listened to Gary Numan, Skinny Puppy, Depeche Mode and albums from David Bowie's around his "Berlin" period.

Also, being iconic and popular doesn't make you a good musician.

 

[Mort Divine]

You happen to think that Neurosis does nothing but rip off Swans while throwing in hardcore influences, so I'm going to be weary of trusting your opinions on such things, but I do suppose Trent isn't the most original.

No, perhaps not, but it is still a joke to say that bands like Zeppelin, Cream, Pink Floyd, what have you are in some way superior to the bands of today simply because they're more 'complex' or 'melody minded.'

Effective simplicity is infinitely harder to pull off than complexity.

 

[Omni]

No, Nine Inch Nails actually has songs that directly imitate songs from those musicians, in addition to blatantly copying their musical styles.

Pretty Hate Machine is obviously Depeche Mode worship with guitars thrown in, down to using the exact same percussion samples as them. "Sin" sounds so much like a Depeche Mode song that it's not even funny, excepting the angsty lyrics anyway. It's also worth noting that "Down In It" steals the main melody of "Dig It" by Skinny Puppy and "Something I Can Never Have" has the same piano part as Swans' "In My Garden."

Broken is heavily influenced by Ministry and Trent's then membership with Pigface. He even recorded a new version of his contribution to Pigface for this album. It also samples a Depeche Mode song on "Pinion."

He actually covered a Gary Numan song, and I'd suggest that you listen to Jagged by Numan because it may interest you if you like Nine Inch Nails.

I forget the name of the song, but one of the tracks on The Fragile obviously copies "Crystal Japan" by David Bowie. I'll find the name later.

Interestingly enough, Trent Reznor also calls these musicians his primary influences.

 

[zabu of nΩd]

Rilo Kiley perhaps not, but No Doubt are an iconic band of the 90s.



The things which the average listener values has changed, yes, but that doesn't remove the fact that there are creative bands out there doing things no one before them has. Animal Collective, Radiohead, Nine Inch Nails, Joanna Newsom, the entire shoegaze movement but especially My Bloody Valentine, aforementioned Beck, Faith No More, etc.

No, it isn't safe to say, you're just a tool who happens to have an awful and completely skewed view of what music should be.

Hey look I can throw around band names too LOL

ABBA, AC/DC, Aerosmith, Alice Cooper, The Allman Brothers, The Beach Boys, The Beatles, Black Sabbath, Bob Dylan, Boston, Brian Eno, Budgie, The Byrds, Camel, The Cars, Cream, Creedence Clearwater Revival, Caravan, Crosby, Stills & Nash, David Bowie, Deep Purple, Dire Straits, The Doors, Emerson, Lake & Palmer, Eric Clapton, Fleetwood Mac, Genesis, Gentle Giant, Gong, The Grateful Dead, Hawkwind, Jeff Beck, Jefferson Airplane, Jethro Tull, Jimi Hendrix, Joy Division, Judas Priest, King Crimson, The Kinks, Kraftwerk, Led Zeppelin, Magma, The Moody Blues, Motorhead, Neil Young, The Police, Queen, Rainbow, The Ramones, The Rolling Stones, Rush, Santana, Soft Machine, Spooky Tooth, Steely Dan, Stevie Wonder, Supertramp, Ten Years After, Pink Floyd, Simon & Garfunkel, Van Halen, The Velvet Underground, The Who, Yes, ZZ Top

You're not going to find a group of 90s-00s artists that achieve anywhere near as much win as what you see above.

 

[Omni]

There are still some bands from the 1990's who are at least as innovative and important as the artists that you just named, even though they were typically less successful from a commercial standpoint and were less known to the mainstream public.

 

[Mort Divine]

Hey look I can throw around band names too LOL

ABBA, AC/DC, Aerosmith, Alice Cooper, The Allman Brothers, The Beach Boys, The Beatles, Black Sabbath, Bob Dylan, Boston, Brian Eno, Budgie, The Byrds, Camel, The Cars, Cream, Creedence Clearwater Revival, Caravan, Crosby, Stills & Nash, David Bowie, Deep Purple, Dire Straits, The Doors, Emerson, Lake & Palmer, Eric Clapton, Fleetwood Mac, Genesis, Gentle Giant, Gong, The Grateful Dead, Hawkwind, Jeff Beck, Jefferson Airplane, Jethro Tull, Jimi Hendrix, Joy Division, Judas Priest, King Crimson, The Kinks, Kraftwerk, Led Zeppelin, Magma, The Moody Blues, Motorhead, Neil Young, The Police, Queen, Rainbow, The Ramones, The Rolling Stones, Rush, Santana, Soft Machine, Spooky Tooth, Steely Dan, Stevie Wonder, Supertramp, Ten Years After, Pink Floyd, Simon & Garfunkel, Van Halen, The Velvet Underground, The Who, Yes, ZZ Top

You're not going to find a group of 90s-00s artists that achieve anywhere near as much win as what you see above.

Aside from Fleetwood Mac, Black Sabbath, Motorhead and Judas Priest, I'd take any of the bands I mentioned over any of the bands you mentioned. I simply find "classic rock" to be mostly stale and boring, but I do acknowledge its worth. You, on the other hand, are stuck in the fucking 70s, seemingly refuse to accept that there are modern bands worth as much a damn as ANY of those bands, and frankly you need to fucking seriously branch out because no one likes classic rock elitists.

 

[panzerfaust666]

No, Nine Inch Nails actually has songs that directly imitate songs from those musicians, in addition to blatantly copying their musical styles.

Pretty Hate Machine is obviously Depeche Mode worship with guitars thrown in, down to using the exact same percussion samples as them. "Sin" sounds so much like a Depeche Mode song that it's not even funny, excepting the angsty lyrics anyway. It's also worth noting that "Down In It" steals the main melody of "Dig It" by Skinny Puppy and "Something I Can Never Have" has the same piano part as Swans' "In My Garden."

Broken is heavily influenced by Ministry and Trent's then membership with Pigface. He even recorded a new version of his contribution to Pigface for this album. It also samples a Depeche Mode song on "Pinion."

He actually covered a Gary Numan song, and I'd suggest that you listen to Jagged by Numan because it may interest you if you like Nine Inch Nails.

I forget the name of the song, but one of the tracks on The Fragile obviously copies "Crystal Japan" by David Bowie. I'll find the name later.

Interestingly enough, Trent Reznor also calls these musicians his primary influences.

I actually agree with you.

Also, i would like to add that Nine Inch Nails are a often-played band by myself. He may not have been as original as some might believe, he ( or the lael most likely) knew how to push his band in the media etc, therefore being way more popular than Skinny Puppy.

Lol my dad did a remix for Dig It, and toured with Pigface as guitarist. Funny you mention these two.

Actually maybe its not funny.

 

[SentinelSlain]

I just can't get into bands like Radiohead or, (not that they are similar) emo bands (real or otherwise) because of the vocals. Sorry if that sounds too simplistic but the vocal styles popular with current rock mostly irritate me.

 

[panzerfaust666]

yeah i could see how Thom Yorke could irritate people tbqh. I personally love his vocal style, mainly because he has the balls or whatever to not give a fuck about little mistakes, therefore giving the records a lot more "life" ( IMO )

what Radiohead song have you heard?

 

[zabu of nΩd]

Aside from Fleetwood Mac, Black Sabbath, Motorhead and Judas Priest, I'd take any of the bands I mentioned over any of the bands you mentioned. I simply find "classic rock" to be mostly stale and boring, but I do acknowledge its worth. You, on the other hand, are stuck in the fucking 70s, seemingly refuse to accept that there are modern bands worth as much a damn as ANY of those bands, and frankly you need to fucking seriously branch out because no one likes classic rock elitists.

Well I'll admit I'm not as familiar with the 'classics' of the past two decades, though I can certainly acknowledge that there are artists within that period who could easily fit among those in the list I made (Alice in Chains, Radiohead, Jamiroquai, The Chemical Brothers, The White Stripes, Ween, Holy Fuck, etc).

Nevertheless, if Fleetwood Mac and three metal bands is all that you consider on par with contemporary music, you clearly haven't listened to the vast majority of the bands I listed, and have no business accusing others of lacking perspective.

 

[Mort Divine]

I never said 'consider them on par' I simply said 'take over any of them' meaning I PREFER them.

 

[AchrisK]

Oingo Boingo - Nothing to Fear
Return to Forever - Romantic Warrior
Steely Dan - The Royal Scam
Phil Keaggy - something early
Led Zeppelin - I

 

[seedofvengeance]

Well I'll admit I'm not as familiar with the 'classics' of the past two decades, though I can certainly acknowledge that there are artists within that period who could easily fit among those in the list I made (Alice in Chains, Radiohead, Jamiroquai, The Chemical Brothers, The White Stripes, Ween, Holy Fuck, etc).

Nevertheless, if Fleetwood Mac and three metal bands is all that you consider on par with contemporary music, you clearly haven't listened to the vast majority of the bands I listed, and have no business accusing others of lacking perspective.

Do you also realize that you pulled the best from 3 decades to trump the best from one? That's rather unfair.

 

[Orion Crystal Ice]

yeah i could see how Thom Yorke could irritate people tbqh. I personally love his vocal style, mainly because he has the balls or whatever to not give a fuck about little mistakes, therefore giving the records a lot more "life" ( IMO )

oh come on...


I mean, it's possible that's true, but this is also where I say..what about all the other bands who also either have poor vocals or keep mistakes in the vocals...with nobody giving them any credit for it.......where and how exactly do we judge that they do or don't have 'balls' or not because they 'just don't care'?

If a band plays in a forest with imperfect vocals and nobody is there, do they still have balls?

Silliness..

 

[zabu of nΩd]

Do you also realize that you pulled the best from 3 decades to trump the best from one? That's rather unfair.

Ah, no - the bands I listed all began releasing albums in the 60s or 70s. And technically they're only up against 1.8 decades, but if you want you can throw the '80s in with the '90s and '00s and it won't make that much of a difference.