Types of people you don't like
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viewerfromnihil
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I agree with most of your post, but I would deviate from you on this. There's feminism and then there's self-righteous cuntism.
UltimateApathy
Infinite Idiocy
Mathiäs;10921504 said:
Then why pointlessly comment when the discussion is about the appearance of a band? My bet is on lack of I.Q., had a test recently?
Mort Divine
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I don't know if I've ever made the point here, but I have several other places:
Feminism is about fighting the patriarchy - and while this primarily is done by bringing the status of women up in society it benefits all.
Destroy the patriarchy and you destroy expectations for how men must be. Perhaps this doesn't specifically benefit someone who is a picturesque image of what a western man must be, but for those who aren't in lockstep with what being a "man" is it certainly would.
It would eliminate the expectation that a given gender must act a certain way to be "truly" that gender. Ideally, it leads to the elimination of traits being associated with a specific gender.
Feminism is about fighting the patriarchy - and while this primarily is done by bringing the status of women up in society it benefits all.
Destroy the patriarchy and you destroy expectations for how men must be. Perhaps this doesn't specifically benefit someone who is a picturesque image of what a western man must be, but for those who aren't in lockstep with what being a "man" is it certainly would.
It would eliminate the expectation that a given gender must act a certain way to be "truly" that gender. Ideally, it leads to the elimination of traits being associated with a specific gender.
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Mort Divine
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Carpe Mortem
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Maybe instead of fighting the patriarchy, individual women should work harder in their own lives to fight for equality and respect from those who wouldn't respect them. Or just, you know, get rid of the shitty people in their lives.
I'm not saying my experiences are a baseline for how women are treated, but dude, I've experienced sexism. I tell those people to fuck themselves then show them up. I don't act like a cunty feminist about it and make it into a bigger deal than it needs to be.
People being dicks is people being dicks, no matter what it's about or who its towards, and I just think its retarded to try to change one particular group of dicks when there's a billion others to take their place. It seems more prudent to learn how to deal with assholes in one's own life, instead of constantly skirting the responsibility of courage and confrontation to instead rant about the "whole blasted patriarchy!"
I'm not saying my experiences are a baseline for how women are treated, but dude, I've experienced sexism. I tell those people to fuck themselves then show them up. I don't act like a cunty feminist about it and make it into a bigger deal than it needs to be.
People being dicks is people being dicks, no matter what it's about or who its towards, and I just think its retarded to try to change one particular group of dicks when there's a billion others to take their place. It seems more prudent to learn how to deal with assholes in one's own life, instead of constantly skirting the responsibility of courage and confrontation to instead rant about the "whole blasted patriarchy!"
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viewerfromnihil
Vein-Marbled Tower
You do realize that this is nonsense, right? Overturning the patriarchy is one thing and something that I support, but this is a battle in the clouds.
Radical feminism, such as that expounded by Mary Daly, has bleed into the mainstream feminist argument without its participants having realized it. This method functions only to have feminism lampooned by the patriarchy and works against the movement itself.
Honestly, I think men and women are never gonna be treated equally and they shouldn't be in some aspects. Yes, I agree with fighting patriarchy, equality in respect, pay, education, but men and women aren't the same.
From what I read from feminists they want me to look at women and see just a human being. We are naturally different. I see different body structure, emotional differencies etc. I see boobs. If some feminist doesn't like men looking at her boobs, then tell them or have them reduced and wear clothes that are covering them.
I gave a shitty example. I have a better one - if i would start to talk to my female friends the same way I talk to my male friends, I'm pretty sure one month forward I wouldn't have any female friends. We use different language, talk about different topics, understand things differently etc.
What I'm trying to say is that I doubt women want to be treated equally to men.
If you say I should talk to them in different way, that means treating them differently. And if I talk to someone differently, I also behave and treat them differently.
From what I read from feminists they want me to look at women and see just a human being. We are naturally different. I see different body structure, emotional differencies etc. I see boobs. If some feminist doesn't like men looking at her boobs, then tell them or have them reduced and wear clothes that are covering them.
I gave a shitty example. I have a better one - if i would start to talk to my female friends the same way I talk to my male friends, I'm pretty sure one month forward I wouldn't have any female friends. We use different language, talk about different topics, understand things differently etc.
What I'm trying to say is that I doubt women want to be treated equally to men.
If you say I should talk to them in different way, that means treating them differently. And if I talk to someone differently, I also behave and treat them differently.
Satanstoenail
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So what would be the appropriate attire for Cannibal Corpse to be wearing on stage then, champ? Given that death metal bands have utilised the jeans, metal shirt and long hair approach since the genre first came about, that is. Kiddo.
UltimateApathy
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Something more appropriate to the subject matter and general mood, themes, and outlook of the genre, little chap. T-shirts and jeans are for teenage kids going to the mall, FFS.
A - I'm probably older than you.
B - You place too much importance on superficialities.
Manic Ferocity
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The problem with these arguments is that you think there is something inherently wrong with masculinity and femininity (there isn't). Whether or not women perform certain roles is up to the individuals themselves so it's not as if women are obligated to be housewives by law. Women and men aren't obligated by law to fulfill any role anymore. This battle was won a long time ago.
It just sounds like you don't like the fact that a man and woman would CHOOSE to be more traditional in their roles. What do you suggest we do? Use excessive force to change that? Women and men aren't going to all act, look, and go about their lives according to anti-gender roles and it's creepy that people even want this in the first place. Why don't we just make everyone white skinned while we're at it, or make everyone six feet tall? You're confusing equality with conformity when they're two completely different things.
As usual, you're not offering any kind of a direct means of action and are being idealistically vague as to what you want. The only things I can gather from your arguments are euphemistic rhetoric supporting the systematic re-aligning of society to conform to anti-gender roles. Totalitarianism, in other words.
Mort Divine
Shrine Maiden of the In-Crowd
I do not suggest that masculinity and femininity are wrong. I suggest that society needs to stop giving gendered status to certain attributes.
Strength, stoicism, and pride should not be associated with the male gender, nor should tenderness, caring, or emotiveness be associated with the female gender.
Traits should be free play for anyone to take on without society placing expectations on them that they act a specific way.
People are free to operate within traditional roles if they desire, and the fact is that is likely how it will end up for the majority of people, but no one should be held to those standards.
It stifles the individual and molds them to act a certain way based solely on the fact that they were born a specific way. It leaves it so that trans individuals are left dealing with dysphoria, men often have no safe release of their emotions and react violently, and it outright just erases the existence of intersex people.
The gender binary is nothing but harmful and outdated.
I do not wish to tell people how to live their lives, I wish for people to be free to do as they please without societal pressures saying "You must act this way."
Strength, stoicism, and pride should not be associated with the male gender, nor should tenderness, caring, or emotiveness be associated with the female gender.
Traits should be free play for anyone to take on without society placing expectations on them that they act a specific way.
People are free to operate within traditional roles if they desire, and the fact is that is likely how it will end up for the majority of people, but no one should be held to those standards.
It stifles the individual and molds them to act a certain way based solely on the fact that they were born a specific way. It leaves it so that trans individuals are left dealing with dysphoria, men often have no safe release of their emotions and react violently, and it outright just erases the existence of intersex people.
The gender binary is nothing but harmful and outdated.
I do not wish to tell people how to live their lives, I wish for people to be free to do as they please without societal pressures saying "You must act this way."
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Jews
Occupy
Poor people
Cradle of Filth fans
Modern In Flames fans
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Teenagers
People with Puerto Rican flags on their cars
People who own Hondas and Toyotas
People who park in their yards
Renters
Poor people
Democrats
Modern Liberals
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Feminists who dont shave and complain about not having a stable relationship
Liberal Arts majors
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Dak
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Mort can't see how he contradicts himself. "People should be free to act like X and that's fine but x is harmful and needs to stop"
