US Election: GO VOTE!

The problem with a Democracy is that you have to try and please everyone all of the time and succeed in pleasing none of the people most of the time.

Fossil,

We had some debate there, but I think we're actually on the same page. Although I do think that we COULD find the money to pay down the debt if we really tried, the statment you made above will never let that happen. We've become a country where there is no compromise. Every decision the government makes is either loved or hated. The divide between liberals and conservatives has gotten (at least from my perspective) so wide that it will be virtually impossible to ever bring them closer together. So no matter what the proposal may be, it's always going to be viewed with a partisan tint.

The reason I love the Libertarian platform is they are fiscally conservative, and socially liberal. If both of the major parties would step back and look at the Libertarian model they SHOULD realize that they are both half right, half wrong. Conservatives need to get back to their fiscal policy (because they've been derailed on that track for a long time) and they need to drop their self-righteous social agenda. Why they think they have the right to deny people their rights simply because they don't like what others do is beyond me. Yet, as smart as they claim to be, they can't see how bigoted they are. Liberals, on the other hand, I believe, have the correct stance on most social issues. The "live and let live" philosphy is what I'm all for. They just don't take it far enough because they don't want to seem too radical to the tight-ass majority we still have in this country. However, fiscally they have earned the "tax and spend" stigma they hold, because they believe that everyone should look out for everyone else. Sorry, but charity should be voluntary, not forced.

Anyway, I know it's wishful thinking to hope that someday people will realize that there are bigger problems with this country than gay marriage, and gun control. But it infuriates me to know that our government (in many cases) doesn't uphold the basic concepts that our Constitution guarantees us all. They've got their hand in everything and wield their control over us all as if WE have nothing to say about it, all in their attempt to make society conform to how THEY want it to be. And it infuriates me even more to know that people are so willing to disregard the fact that the government shouldn't be involved in many programs they support, simply because they are getting what they want. If they could collectively accept that they aren't entitled to these things, and were willing to take over the control of government programs that shouldn't be controlled by the government, that this country would be so much better off. Why is it that so many Americans feel like we need the government to control everything? Are we collectively so weak that we can't smoke a joint if we want to, or play some freakin' poker in the privacy of our own home? Can't people see that this is NOT a free country anymore? That our government has grown so much that there is literally almost nothing you can do anymore that doesn't have some governmental oversight? I mean, really, what the hell is the actual value in a dog license? Or a marriage license? And why the hell is our government involved in marriage for (of any kind), and to the point where they want to amend the US Constitution to restrict the rights of a minority in this country?

We're totally out of control here, and very few people seem to care. What the hell is going on? Is it really that hard to comprehend the bigger picture? I truly believe that our government had gotten so big, and has made so many promises that they will take care of us (social security, the war on terror, etc.) that people honestly believe that everything is going to be fine. I think they believe that the government is somehow all-knowing, and they have better visions than all of us peons. How wrong they are. If WE don't keep our government in check then it's OUR fault when things come crumbling down. And they will come crumbling down eventually, that's a certainty. Because like you said Fossil, all the checks and balances that have been created by our government are just tossed aside when they can't execute their plans within those guidelines. So then what control do we really have? None. And the saddest part is that most Americans just don't seem to care.

Anyway, this whole rant wasn't directed at you Fossil. I just started rambling. I just can't stop myself sometimes because I feel so strongly about this subject. And I don't have a new SyX CD to relieve my mind of this stress! ;) And just for the record, no, I did not think that Japan was going to annex Pennsylvania. Ha ha.

Well, I'm done now. I've spent way too much time writing this and not doing my work. Have a great day everyone!
 
Here is another one. From the movie "Good Will Hunting". This quote may as well be the smartest thing i've heard in my life, yet. :)

Why shouldn't I work for the N.S.A.? That's a tough one, but I'll give it a shot. Say I'm working at N.S.A. Somebody puts a code on my desk, something nobody else can break. So I take a shot at it and maybe I break it. And I'm real happy with myself, 'cause I did my job well. But maybe that code was the location of some rebel army in North Africa or the Middle East. Once they have that location, they bomb the village where the rebels were hiding and fifteen hundred people I never had a problem with get killed. Now the politicians are sayin', "Send in the marines to secure the area" 'cause they don't give a shit. It won't be their kid over there, gettin' shot. Just like it wasn't them when their number was called, 'cause they were pullin' a tour in the National Guard. It'll be some guy from Southie takin' shrapnel in the ass. And he comes home to find that the plant he used to work at got exported to the country he just got back from. And the guy who put the shrapnel in his ass got his old job, 'cause he'll work for fifteen cents a day and no bathroom breaks. Meanwhile my buddy from Southie realizes the only reason he was over there was so we could install a government that would sell us oil at a good price. And of course the oil companies used the skirmish to scare up oil prices so they could turn a quick buck. A cute little ancillary benefit for them but it ain't helping my buddy at two-fifty a gallon. And naturally they're takin' their sweet time bringin' the oil back, and maybe even took the liberty of hiring an alcoholic skipper who likes to drink martinis and play slalom with the icebergs, and it ain't too long 'til he hits one, spills the oil and kills all the sea life in the North Atlantic. So my buddy's out of work and he can't afford to drive, so he's got to walk to the job interviews, which sucks 'cause the shrapnel in his ass is givin' him chronic hemorrhoids. And meanwhile he's starvin' 'cause every time he tries to get a bite to eat the only blue plate special they're servin' is North Atlantic scrod with Quaker State. So what do I think? I'm holdin' out for somethin' better. Why not just shoot my buddy, take his job and give it to his sworn enemy, hike up gas prices, bomb a village, club a baby seal, hit the hash pipe and join the National Guard? I could be elected president.
 
OK this is the last one. Trust me :) This quote was said in the movie "12 Monkeys" by the actor Brad Pitt, who is playing a total nutshell being kept in the mental hospital. He was great in this movie. Of course the cheers go to the writer of the line.

There's the television. It's all right there - all right there. Look, listen, kneel, pray. Commercials! We're not productive anymore. We don't make things anymore. It's all automated. What are we *for* then? We're consumers, Jim. Yeah. Okay, okay. Buy a lot of stuff, you're a good citizen. But if you don't buy a lot of stuff, if you don't, what are you then, I ask you? What? Mentally *ill*. Fact, Jim, fact - if you don't buy things - toilet paper, new cars, computerized yo-yos, electrically-operated sexual devices, stereo systems with brain-implanted headphones, screwdrivers with miniature built-in radar devices, voice-activated computers...
 
Not relevant to any conversation, but one of my all time favorite movie quotes:

"She insulted my town. She insulted my son. She insulted my authority. And that's just pure old fashioned communism. Happens every time one of them dancer types start poontangin' around with them show folk fags!"

- Jackie Gleason as Buford T. Justice, "Smokey & The Bandit"
 
Anyway, this whole rant wasn't directed at you Fossil. I just started rambling. I just can't stop myself sometimes because I feel so strongly about this subject. And I don't have a new SyX CD to relieve my mind of this stress! ;) And just for the record, no, I did not think that Japan was going to annex Pennsylvania. Ha ha.

No prob - I didn't take it that way. I can appreciate (and relate) to your frustration. If anyone took anything from all of this, hopefully they'll look at their debts, analyze them, and leverage them to their benefit (whether it's paying them off or investing against them). Either way, analyzing our debts helps our financial bottom line so we can buy SymX's new CD. :rock:
 
So who's gunna be voting for that Obama dude in the 2008 election??? I saw him on aussie news today and I'd have to say that if I was an american then I would SERIOUSLY reconsider my choice in not enrolling to vote. I haven't seen a politician with that kind of entusiasm and wisdom in my whole life on this planet.
 
Maybe. Not saying you don't know this, but for the others who might not, the way it works is that many people in a political party run in a primary, most recently people who ran in the democratic primary included Howard Dean, John Kerry, Wesley Clark, Al Sharpton, etc. The winners of the primary are the main candidates for presidency. How well Barak Obama does in the primary election dictates if he will be able to run for president. For now, his only speculated opponent is Hilary Clinton. :yuk: I registered as an independent, so I won't be able to vote for him in the primary elections. Whatever party you register for, you can only participate in their primary, but of course you can vote for whomever you want come election time.
 
I seriously hope the Democrats do not vote in Hillary as their candidate in '08. Her left-wing policies will wreck this country (especially her absolutely wrong ideas for health care reform). I do hope Obama is the Dem candidate, honestly.
 
With the amount of racism in this country do you really think that a candidate like Obama would even make it through the elections before some crazy redneck tries to assassinate him?

Maybe I'm just optimistic but I would certainly hope so; I would vote for Obama over Hillary without hesitation. McCain was interesting but he's beginning to seem like he's neutering himself for the sake of appealing to more of the conservative base. At this point I'm still indifferent about Guliani.
 
My front-runner at the moment is Bill Frist for the Republican nod. But, if Giuliani does run, it will be hard to beat him.

Obama probably wouldn't win the conservative south; but, then again, there aren't too many democrats who would. I would think he might stand a better chance in the south than Hillary would, actually.
 
My front-runner at the moment is Bill Frist for the Republican nod. But, if Giuliani does run, it will be hard to beat him.

Obama probably wouldn't win the conservative south; but, then again, there aren't too many democrats who would. I would think he might stand a better chance in the south than Hillary would, actually.

I think I would vote for just about anyone or anything (i.e. a mop) before I would vote for Bill Frist, but I'm quite liberal, so I suppose that's unsurprising. :Smug:
 
And I'm sick of people labeling things liberal and conservative. I'm sick of people throwing social/personal/religious wedge issues into the political sphere where they don't belong in order to gain favor.

We ALL agree 95% of the time. Why can't we focus on where we agree?
 
Obama probably wouldn't win the conservative south; but, then again, there aren't too many democrats who would. I would think he might stand a better chance in the south than Hillary would, actually.

I agree. Based on interviews and seeing his speeches, I think he might be able to get through to some southern conservatives. Hilary needs to get her act together if she wants to be taken seriously. I've seen her prefix her sentences with "Well, as a New Yorker..." so many times; it's really annoying. :rolleyes: