VCC Released

[Ermz]

I dunno.. I think you have cleaner transients without going into a desk.. but you have FATTER and more MUSICAL transients with the console.

I'd agree with that.

IMO that effect is desirable in a great majority of music. It just so happens that certain genres of metal are in the tiny exception zone. What some guys here might find as a shock - especially if they're going for super clean mixes for tech death, thrash, whatever, is that those fatter transients just result in mud at high tempos.

@Lucas: You sure you guys aren't hearing harsh aliasing as high-end clarity? I had a similar effect tracking guitars here. I use TSE 808 and 8505 at generally low quality settings. Then when I throw supersampling on for the bounce I find that it all gets much smoother (like the real-life equivalents) and I have to dime some highs back in.

 

[RichMinerva]

Stereo/master bus.

Ty Jeff

 

[Zombietakeover]

I agree that VCC makes every sound sound more musical

But i don't agree that it makes the drums clearer in the mix. Im 100% with Ermin on this one. VCC softens the mix and adds saturation which is way more pleasent to the ears and also add that glue effect. But that is on the extense of separation that is why i stopped using it on the Master Buss and only uses it on the rest of the tracks and auxes. I found that putting it on the master smears out the mix / alter the mix a little bit to much for my taste.

Great Plugin btw im a happy owner

but didn't you say you just slapped it on the masterbuss after it was already mixed?

 

[crillemannen]

but didn't you say you just slapped it on the masterbuss after it was already mixed?

Yeah before but now i have done allot of testing, and i don't think i like it on the master bus anymore.

. And i once again agree with ERmin here. Im doing a metalcore project now and on this project im not using VCC on all tracks. It just makes the mix muddy, and looses the clarity that I want on my metal mixes. But im still using it on Drums (not on busses in this case) , bass and on guitar for saturation.

But a couple of weeks ago i did a more rock oriented mix and then VCC was great on all tracks


But i guess those decisions are hard to make if you have less experience but it is still a GREAT plugin.

 

[Lucas D'Angelo]

@Lucas: You sure you guys aren't hearing harsh aliasing as high-end clarity? I had a similar effect tracking guitars here. I use TSE 808 and 8505 at generally low quality settings. Then when I throw supersampling on for the bounce I find that it all gets much smoother (like the real-life equivalents) and I have to dime some highs back in.

No Aliasing ! but definately something different going on with the overall sound
In our case it worked better with OS off

Just wanted to point out the fact that this option seems to be quite important (i'm not personnaly using VCC but I saw you guys talking about it so I just thought i'd throw that info here )

 

[Ermz]

@Christian: The problem is, once you become reliant on the console saturation, it's hard to live without it. So even on the faster stuff, I'm still tempted to bust out the 4k simply because it makes everything come together faster. I guess an alternative to that would be to use the 9k saturation, which is very very clean. I've tested it back here, and it almost does nothing to the ITB tracks other than add some subtle glue, width and shift the mids around a little. The 4k on the other hand dulls off the super lows and highs, softens the transients, but also makes the whole thing feel denser. It was actually this effect that made me realize why CLA can afford to dime so many highs into his tracks. When you combine all the stages of 4k saturation, not to mention the 'softening' effects of the 1176s, LA2s, whatever, you get something ready for some serious crankeage.

 

[Slate]

Few things: I hightly recommend to put all VCC plugins on FIRST and mix INTO it. And I wouldn't use any DRIVE unless you want a desired effect.. drive will increase saturation and harmonics but limit the output.. hence.. less transient which is not good for metal.. but also doesn't really reflect a true console. But on certain stuff, the DRIVE is great.. again, as an effect.

Some of the best sounding metal records in the world were mixed on an SSL4000.. keep that in mind

BTW, if you follow us on TWITTER @slateproaudio we'll be giving away free stuff today

 

[Ermz]

Out of curiosity Steven, which records were those? Always looking to add more to the reference pile.

 

[DigitalMetal]

Hey Steven,
Any closer to PC RTAS release yet? - im itchin' ha ha

 

[Joshua Wickman]

Hey Steven,
Any closer to PC RTAS release yet? - im itchin' ha ha

Same here.

I got then beta but i'm dying to get the final version for Pc.

 

[crillemannen]

@Christian: The problem is, once you become reliant on the console saturation, it's hard to live without it. So even on the faster stuff, I'm still tempted to bust out the 4k simply because it makes everything come together faster. I guess an alternative to that would be to use the 9k saturation, which is very very clean. I've tested it back here, and it almost does nothing to the ITB tracks other than add some subtle glue, width and shift the mids around a little. The 4k on the other hand dulls off the super lows and highs, softens the transients, but also makes the whole thing feel denser. It was actually this effect that made me realize why CLA can afford to dime so many highs into his tracks. When you combine all the stages of 4k saturation, not to mention the 'softening' effects of the 1176s, LA2s, whatever, you get something ready for some serious crankeage.

Yeah im definitely catching the whole saturation thing. Especially when im getting more and more addicted to analogue compression.
My 1176 has made wonders to my mixes. Of course it isn't a deal breaker, but it softens the transients and makes everything a bit smoother. It smooths the highs, and my vocal mic can be a bit bright but the 1176 smooths its out so it sounds awesome

And that is also the case of VCC (or nebula) And i began to mix a metal band today and i actually put VCC on the master buss haha, i guess it is hard to decide really because I really like the softening effect you talked about
Im gonna post the mix later on you guys gonna fall of your chairs it will be awesome.

 

[DigitalMetal]

Same here.

I got then beta but i'm dying to get the final version for Pc.

yeah i have the beta 2.5 but i just wanted to know about any progress on the final one.

 

[Jarkko Mattheiszen]

Congrats for the contest Brian! I was stupid enough to miss the second word of the line, but the discount coupon is awesome none the less! Thanks a lot Slate and the team!

 

[Slate]

Congrats Brian and Jarkko.. follow us on twitter folks and win stuff this Wednesday.

 

[arv_foh]

Too bad I just bought VCC, lol, but now I have VCC, FG-X, and Trigger, thanks Steven

 

[Jaymz]

Free stuff? Do want!

 

[Seth Munson]

Too bad I just bought VCC, lol, but now I have VCC, FG-X, and Trigger, thanks Steven

Same here,

SSD 3.5, FG-X, TRIGGER, and now VCC

 

[greyskull]

DANG IT! But I ALREADY follow you on Twitter!

 

[::XeS::]

That competition is not that clear...I mean, I found the name of the band but the video?
Anyway I was too late

 

[TonyS.]

Anybody in germany got his ilok? cant wait anymore .