Virginia shooting
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1) Any hand gun, auto-rifle, etc. should not be accessible by anyone other than Police. Period. Hunting weapons, fine, if you have a hunting licence.
2) Eric has a point, no one ever considers that the guy just had a bad day, cracked, and thought, "Hey, I'm going to kill myself, might as well take as many people as I can with me." It's a comment thought by many people, and not always based on killing, either. "Hey, I'm getting fired, well you helped me do whatever it was that caused me to get fired, so I'm going to pull you down with me." Same principle.
3) Video games, music, movies, they're not to blame. Other countries have worse stuff than we do, and they don't have as bad a problem with guns and violence. You know what a problem is? One of the several in North America? The news and government. Laws and principles, and corruption, with one reason of it being religion in the government. Not the cause, just one of many of the reasons. One solution? Secularism.
A general fix? Gun control. Another one? Less religion.
2) Eric has a point, no one ever considers that the guy just had a bad day, cracked, and thought, "Hey, I'm going to kill myself, might as well take as many people as I can with me." It's a comment thought by many people, and not always based on killing, either. "Hey, I'm getting fired, well you helped me do whatever it was that caused me to get fired, so I'm going to pull you down with me." Same principle.
3) Video games, music, movies, they're not to blame. Other countries have worse stuff than we do, and they don't have as bad a problem with guns and violence. You know what a problem is? One of the several in North America? The news and government. Laws and principles, and corruption, with one reason of it being religion in the government. Not the cause, just one of many of the reasons. One solution? Secularism.
A general fix? Gun control. Another one? Less religion.
Will Bozarth
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even if guns were kept away from the public through legal purchasing, there are ways to get guns. the USA actually let a shipment of machine guns from China pass through customs. nobody knows what the fuck happened to them. you dont HAVE to buy a gun legally. if you want one bad enough, you can find one. with this being the case, why can't people carry handguns? if sane individuals were able to carry concealed weapons, perhaps not as many people would have died. just a thought. if someone carrying a gun saw someone else go nuts, GUARAN-FUCKIN-TEED, they would stop it REALLY quickly.
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What about people released from jail? Mental institutions? People with a record of eccentric behavior? Letting them have a concealed hand gun would make America just that more dangerous. Save a few people in one shooting by giving everyone guns, but create more problems in other parts of the states by doing it too.
EDIT: If someone wanted a gun, in any part of the world, they'll get one. Since the gun debate can't be decided, why not just say screw you, and ban 'em all. The only thing you need to protect yourself from are your family members and colleagues. They're the most likely to pull a gun on you.
EDIT: If someone wanted a gun, in any part of the world, they'll get one. Since the gun debate can't be decided, why not just say screw you, and ban 'em all. The only thing you need to protect yourself from are your family members and colleagues. They're the most likely to pull a gun on you.
Will Bozarth
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People with a mental disability isn't allowed to get a handgun. That probably goes for former criminals, as well. Everyone that goes through the firearm purchasing game has go get an extensive FBI background check. I agree that gun control is the problem. We need more strict guidelines for how someone gets a firearm.
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California is so anal with guns it shits diamond plated pistol grips. No more restriction needed here.
Anvil
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Anyone want to tell me what the exact reason of a hand gun is? Because the only thing I can see it being useful for is to kill another human being. And don't say protection. Thats bullshit. The chances of someone coming into your home with a gun is extremely unlikely.
Don't get me wrong, I'm all for protecting your property and family. But what's wrong with a blunt instrument? Maybe even a sharp one. Thats much more gruesome.
Like I said, the most likely thing to happen to you, gun related, is by a colleague or family member.
Don't get me wrong, I'm all for protecting your property and family. But what's wrong with a blunt instrument? Maybe even a sharp one. Thats much more gruesome.
Like I said, the most likely thing to happen to you, gun related, is by a colleague or family member.
Will Bozarth
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Going to a shooting range is fun. It helps with hand-eye coordination. It's also satisfying. And yes, home protection IS a good reason. If you live in a rough neighborhood that is known for thefts, you'd want protection. Also, if someone comes into my home WITHOUT a gun, and they don't belong there, their kneecaps would get blown the fuck out.
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Anyone want to tell me what the exact reason of a hand gun is? Because the only thing I can see it being useful for is to kill another human being. And don't say protection. Thats bullshit. The chances of someone coming into your home with a gun is extremely unlikely.
Don't get me wrong, I'm all for protecting your property and family. But what's wrong with a blunt instrument? Maybe even a sharp one. Thats much more gruesome.
Like I said, the most likely thing to happen to you, gun related, is by a colleague or family member.
Tyler, you're being far too biased in this. If they keep said pistol at home, they're not causing any harm with it. I don't think just anyone should be able to carry a gun about town though, only law, security, and people who have special needs.
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I just think its a problem in America that should have been dealt with 20 years ago. The fact that this debate only comes up whenever something like this happens, is complete and utter bullshit.
Why is it only Americans seem to have a majority that thinks like that? Any non-american care to enlighten me?Will Bozarth said:
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Will Bozarth
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because we actually WANT to do something to somebody that breaks into our homes. call it pride, if you want. and also, this thread is closed. I can see where this is going to go. "Oh, Americans are dumb, they want to handle guns." Wanna know why? Because we're American and we CAN.
Will Bozarth
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btw, this thread is open again, simply out of fairness to Bacchante. It's her thread. If people want to complain about a country's domestic policies when they don't live in that country, fine. Be ignorant.
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I have many reasons for gun CONTROL (but not ban) and certain guidelines most would appreciate, but these topics always get too heated and no one listens. Tyler and Matt have heard my ideas, I don't think either had any objections... but I'm sure some dipwad would come in and bash me anyway. Both the gun nuts and the far end control proponents are too bull headed to compromise. And those of you with clean records wouldn't lose anything in the matter, maybe just a public concealed weapons permit (carry a Maglite, like I do). Either way though, I think it sad so many young scientists had to die, but also that he was so pressured by life and his future that he saw no other way. Shame.
Tyler and Matt have heard my ideas, I don't think either had any objections... but I'm sure some dipwad would come in and bash me anyway. Both the gun nuts and the far end control proponents are too bull headed to compromise. And those of you with clean records wouldn't lose anything in the matter, maybe just a public concealed weapons permit (carry a Maglite, like I do). Either way though, I think it sad so many young scientists had to die, but also that he was so pressured by life and his future that he saw no other way. Shame.
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I'm not trying to get into the whole pro/con gun battle here...buuut...
Some people just shouldn't have guns, I think thats obvious. But guns were invented, they exist, and keeping them out of the wrong hands is an impossible task. To me, it's a futile argument, and its really unfortunate.
But I did want to say that sort of miss the days of hand to hand combat, as cheezy as that sounds *puts on eye patch and sword*
*For the most part* it was a more honorable method...so you can actually look into the eyes of whoever you're fighting and allow them to put up an actual fight...instead of being a complete coward and immediately blowing their head off from a distance.
Killing someone with a gun, in the fashion that has been displayed today, is a sheer act of cowardice. Period.
Some people just shouldn't have guns, I think thats obvious. But guns were invented, they exist, and keeping them out of the wrong hands is an impossible task. To me, it's a futile argument, and its really unfortunate.
But I did want to say that sort of miss the days of hand to hand combat, as cheezy as that sounds *puts on eye patch and sword*
*For the most part* it was a more honorable method...so you can actually look into the eyes of whoever you're fighting and allow them to put up an actual fight...instead of being a complete coward and immediately blowing their head off from a distance.
Killing someone with a gun, in the fashion that has been displayed today, is a sheer act of cowardice. Period.
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That, and he was obviously disillusioned as to feel it was the best way to deal with whatever was going on in his mind. I'm deeply curious as to why he went from stable to what happened today, and if we can help anyone who may head that way in the future.
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Yah, David...I'm curious, too.
Some people just can't be helped, though...They just see one solution to their problem, and nothing else can sway them
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and sometimes it's not that "can't" be helped, it's just that they don't want to be.
Some people just can't be helped, though...They just see one solution to their problem, and nothing else can sway them
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and sometimes it's not that "can't" be helped, it's just that they don't want to be.
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Second.
Give me a quarterstaff and a dagger, and I'll take out 15 people no problem.
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I know, but at least if we tried, maybe we could postpone the deaths, maybe not. But just not seeing it until it happens is a failure on OUR part. Reactive knee-jerks never solve a problem as well as seeing it before it happens.
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ya, David...that's why I try to be compassionate with other people. It might not prevent a shooting, but I think it helps a little bit.
Haha, and Anvil, I agree with that.
And the good thing about weapons like that is that you don't necessarily kill the other person, you can just incapacitate them.
Haha, and Anvil, I agree with that.
And the good thing about weapons like that is that you don't necessarily kill the other person, you can just incapacitate them.
