brooklynmayhem
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"lost track of time in a flurry of smoke" that is the ultimate line. It often describes so many nights of partying. On a more serious note there are too many opeth lyrics already listed that say a lot about me.
What Opeth lyric says the most about you?
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Allan said:Iblys said:Why should lyrics have to be simple and blunt? What on earth is wrong with lyrics where the meaning isn't immediately obvious?
You know, people use imagery because you get a more emotional response by describing exactly HOW something made you feel than WHAT it made you feel.
That's why the best literature isn't the stuff that's written like a children's book. And if you want your lyrics written that way I don't really have any time for you.
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There's one of those someone said smth not good of Opeth panic attacks. Did you even try to understand what I was saying?
In no way did I say lyrics should be simple, blunt or obvious.
And I most certainly didn't say imagery in itself was bad.
I feel Opeth's imagery often is without meaning, and is just used in order to cloud the meaning, romantisise it or if we're to be philosophical distance one from it.
Imagery should describe the emotion/person/event in a deeper manner.
So when I asked you for the meaning, I asked for the meaning the imagery added, what was the deeper meaning in describing rain as parading for examble. To me it would be more direct to say loud. One guy (Segas....)even gave it a decent shot before you came and paraded () your lack of understanding.
Let me clarify the problems I have with the mentioned fragments.
Night isn't waiting for day, day just happens to follow night, so it makes no sense to say "as the night awaits the day". You could say (and someone most probably have) I follow you as day follows night.
To say a candle is holding sth is pretty much the same problem, besides that it's superfluous to say a candle holds light, kind of like saying the ocean holds water. Or to say a shadow is empty.
A well of sin kind of makes sense in that a well is a necessity of life to some, as the things that make most people feel alive is considered sins. But all that through the warped labyrinth (lies, masks), and trhen the. It all has a very barbaric sound to it though, like sth out of a German porn flic (only in english
Now this is all so unfair, I get to criticise your beloved Opeth lyrics without putting sth outthere I like. Here you go:
"If the truth hurts, prepare for pain"
"Maybe one day you will see me as I am, a fragile wreck on a storm of emotion"
"So many years of pathetic lies, empty promises and unfulfilled dreams are scattered like dust into the winds. Looking for the sun that eclipsed behind black feathered wings. Tomorrow never comes, there was only ever one day and now it's too late."
"Wasted moments won't return"
Better stop now, simple, blunt, obvious, eh?
Most boring post ever.
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Allan
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You are so informative in your critique. This was a boring discussion anyways, but I guess you people think literature should say simple things in a complex manner, whereas I feel it's the other way arround. You can go back to telling eachother how intelligent Opeth fans are, posting lyrics you claim say a lot about you but you can't really explain and being the most ignorant fanbase I have ever been subjected to.
Allan
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Iblys said:
I'll give you it wasn't very informative, but I gave up on you when you once again claimed I wanted lyrics to be easy reading, did you find the examples I gave of lyrics I like to be easy reading?
I want the imagery to be appropriate, add to the meaning. Not just be big complex words that sound good. Words for the sake of words.
I have always found it very unintelligent to claim intelligence.
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Allan said:
The only reason why most of the people come here is to celebrate the music, not the lyrics. If you want to read complex literature, Opeth is not the place to look. If you want lyrics that may APPEAR to have some sort of dramatic connection to your pitiful life, then you are also looking in the wrong place.
Whats wrong with reading books? Are lyrics the only form of "intelligent literature" you like to read?
Idiot.
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KielbasaSausage said:
This thread is about Opeth lyrics that say a lot about people, so I asked what it is they say. Seemed obvious.
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It seemed obvious that I was referring to your remark about a band's fanbase. Learn to read English right so that you dont misinterpret what people say in the future. :Smug:Allan said:
What I dont understand is why idiots seem to always think that lyrics are the highest intelligent form of literature.Strangelight said:
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wasnt he talking about people that say Opeths lyrics mean a lot to them, yet they dont really understand them?
Theres no need to flame the lad as he's got a valid point there.
Theres no need to flame the lad as he's got a valid point there.
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Strangelight said:
Allan clearly doesn't like Opeth - the only reason he posts here is to annoy Opeth fans. He may well have a valid point, but he's not making it for any other reason than to annoy Opeth fans and attempt to put us down.
I don't understand people like that - if you don't like Opeth don't post here. Simple.
Anyway, if people don't really understand the lyrics, yet still feel they mean something to them - what's the problem? Why do you, or Allan give a shit? If Opeth fan's feel some affinity with a particular lyric and it makes them feel good - why does Allan have to try and bring them down?
The amount of self proclaimed "intellectuals" on these boards is mind blowing, and ALL of them seem to want to dull other people's enjoyment of life.
IF you post here to try and bring people down - fuck off.
Allan
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I don't post here to put people down.
I certainly don't want to dull people's enjoyment of life.
I have not proclaimed to be intellectual.
I have not made up my mind about Opeth, see the thread I started a while back "First thoughts on Opeth". I have even stongly hinted that I like "Damnation", which I do, and even its lyrics on this very thread I think, otherwise it was on another thread recently. I have never said anything critical about Opeth's music. I think you are hypersensitive about Opeth, that was even what one of the posts that started this mess said, sad irony.
I find it frightening and dangerous that people can be fanatic about something they can't explain. And I'm sure it won't do anyone any good to identify with something they don't understand. That was why I started this.
TTMB, this was the first post of yours that actually contained some information, thank you.
"If the truth hurts, prepare for pain"
"I should step out of the rain, turn away"
I certainly don't want to dull people's enjoyment of life.
I have not proclaimed to be intellectual.
I have not made up my mind about Opeth, see the thread I started a while back "First thoughts on Opeth". I have even stongly hinted that I like "Damnation", which I do, and even its lyrics on this very thread I think, otherwise it was on another thread recently. I have never said anything critical about Opeth's music. I think you are hypersensitive about Opeth, that was even what one of the posts that started this mess said, sad irony.
I find it frightening and dangerous that people can be fanatic about something they can't explain. And I'm sure it won't do anyone any good to identify with something they don't understand. That was why I started this.
TTMB, this was the first post of yours that actually contained some information, thank you.
"If the truth hurts, prepare for pain"
"I should step out of the rain, turn away"
Allan
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KielbasaSausage said:It seemed obvious that I was referring to your remark about a band's fanbase. Learn to read English right so that you dont misinterpret what people say in the future. :Smug:
What I dont understand is why idiots seem to always think that lyrics are the highest intelligent form of literature.
Sorry, I misinterpreted you.
I have not said that lyrics are the highest intelligent form of literature, whatever that means.
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AtomAlexander said:
Well, I see thoughts about people not knowing what the lyrics mean and therefore they shouldn't think they mean something to them. In all insults aside, Opeth's lyrics are metaphorical, and carry many similes. They exhibit a story-telling nature, which can lend itself to people's interpretations. As Peter once said, "When Mikael writes lyrics, I don't want him to explain them to me because when he writes them, there's a point to everything he writes. He knows exactly what it means. But when I read them, I interpret them my way. The title "For Absent Friends" means something to me. I think it means something else for him. It's always good to have your own interpretation for things." I can do nothing but agree with Peter, here. So I'll explain what the above lyrics mean to me.
"I hide the scars from my past
Yet they sense my (mute) dirge
This is when it all falls apart"
To me, this stands as an example of pride and pain, and the fragility of the human existence (in a full note, not simply living). Someone who has had pain in their past and present, but is too prideful and therefore hides these "scars" and memories. Still there are people who see through this attempt at fraudulent health. And they can still feel, or see, that this person is crying and desperately tragic. "This is when it all falls apart"... Everything that person has worked for, to get past the scars on their flesh, on their mind. When everything simply goes back to the beginning, as if nothing had ever been helped or moved past. And I feel that way often.
"This skin is old and stained by late September rains"
Honestly, this could be an entire metaphor for the fact September is the state of Fall. A common theme in Opeth's writing and emotion. September is also the time when, for many places, rains come. And Autumn is often associated with a more gray, gloomy sense of the world and thereby a darker emotional sense. The rains could symbolise tears, and the old skin having seen many wrongs and having to endure still though it doesn't want to. Simply, being a lack of will to go on, but without the will to end it... Only living in a cold, dark world where it rains constantly and that is all the skin can know any longer.
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TakinTheMusicBack said:
This is a forum isnt it? To discuss things and that? Not to tell people to fuck off or call them idiots for asking questions. Yer mans 'valid point' was Opeth related wasnt it? I am also baffled why people blindly defend things that they dont understand, and then get aggressive. It's madness like.
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