What's your favourite video games?

[spawn]

I really like the pointless gigantic green jewel thing in the middle, I feel it was the best place to put it.

 

[KoichCPA]

Thats the skylight.

 

[spawn]

Biggest damn skylight ive ever seen... Did you know the XBOX is the only console visible from space with the naked eye?

 

[Blitzkrieg]

Spawn, they have said the hard drive will be able to be purchased seperately, it just won't come with it. Another way to screw people over, forcing them to buy it seperately, at a huge price I am willing to bet. Probably has something to do with their huge costs of production for the XBOX, which they lose money on every sale of.

XBOX sales have done well worldwide, but not as well as they would like you to believe. In Australia it would seem that they are selling almost as well as Sony, which just isn't true. In Asia the GC is the best selling console, then the PS2, then the XBOX. In the US, the XBOX and GC are almost inseperable at second place behind the PS2, and in Europe the XBOX is second to the PS2 with the GC third.
Anyway, the only thing that made the XBOX sell was its l33t 'Xtreme' marketing. Kidz like to have the c00lest thing available, and the XtremeBOX is marketed as being c00l. Nerds also went for it because it has the biggest specs. But when it actually comes to gaming, which is what the machine is supposed to do, it blows goats, and most actual gamers know that. There is only a very small handful of worthwhile exclusive titles on the XBOX (and some of those are made by third parties with exclusive deals, like Sega), with majority of the good games available on other systems.

Regardless of all this, the next XBOX will probably be a success because of the ignorant general public.

 

[KoichCPA]

I heard they are putting the xbox next to parliment house, so it's got black and white and looks as cool as Ikaruga.

It's microsoft's only way of getting near a decent game.

 

[KoichCPA]

The GC is nintendo's last console.

Goodbye my favorite two console makers. Sega and Nintendo, i'll miss you.

 

[Blitzkrieg]

 

[Blitzkrieg]

Nintendo will make another, they are already developing it, but their next one might be their last. I actually think it will be more successful than the GC though, as they will have the release advantage that the GC didn't have (they are planning to release it at the same time as the PS3 if not before). It should have some good launch titles too, from what I hear.

 

[spawn]

Spawn, they have said the hard drive will be able to be purchased seperately, it just won't come with it. Another way to screw people over, forcing them to buy it seperately, at a huge price I am willing to bet. Probably has something to do with their huge costs of production for the XBOX, which they lose money on every sale of.

XBOX sales have done well worldwide, but not as well as they would like you to believe. In Australia it would seem that they are selling almost as well as Sony, which just isn't true. In Asia the GC is the best selling console, then the PS2, then the XBOX. In the US, the XBOX and GC are almost inseperable at second place behind the PS2, and in Europe the XBOX is second to the PS2 with the GC third.
Anyway, the only thing that made the XBOX sell was its l33t 'Xtreme' marketing. Kidz like to have the c00lest thing available, and the XtremeBOX is marketed as being c00l. Nerds also went for it because it has the biggest specs. But when it actually comes to gaming, which is what the machine is supposed to do, it blows goats, and most actual gamers know that. There is only a very small handful of worthwhile exclusive titles on the XBOX (and some of those are made by third parties with exclusive deals, like Sega), with majority of the good games available on other systems.

Regardless of all this, the next XBOX will probably be a success because of the ignorant general public.

Blitzy, listen to me when I say this, they will not take the hard drive out unless they have some other form of media to save data to. Which will mean it basically has a hard drive.

Nintendo, Sony and Micorsoft ALL lose money on sales of their consoles (they break about even after a few years due to prices going down to manufacture the concoles), they make it up through the licensing fees that every developer has to pay to release games on the systems. And out of everyone, Microsfot can afford to lose the most. They could give them away for free if they wanted.

XBOX is doing really well in Australia, the GC is getting killed EVERYWHERE, even in Japan, it may have some of the best games but its not selling anywhere near the XBOX or PS2. When a great game comes out, the sales go up a bit for the GC, but they dont come out often enough.

You said the majority of the good games are available on other systems, which means that the majority of good games are also on XBOX. Plus the XBOX versions are nearly always superior in frame rate and image quality.

You obviously dont like Microsoft but you cant stick your head in the sand and pretend everything on it is crap.

 

[KoichCPA]

I'm with Blitzy on this one.

actually sony makes profit on every console from memory.

 

[spawn]

"We also noted in the article another interesting tidbit. While it has long been known that Microsoft loses money on each Xbox sold, US$70 according to the article, it says Sony actually profits some 3,000 Yen on each machine (US$24.88 as of press time), making the competition between the two companies take on ever deeper meaning. The traditional business model is for the manufacturer to lose money on consoles in order to make money on video game royalties. For Sony to pull off a profit on the hardware gives the company a competitive advantage."


Sony make a profit NOW, 3 and a half years into the life of the machine, and only because it has sold so well they can produce chips etc. in mass quantities. At the start they did it the same way they all do, lose money on the machine, make it back in software. But the fact remains, XBOX could lose money for the next decade and it would barely hurt Microsofts bottom line. (This was from April last year so id say the XBOX loss has dropped by about half.)

 

[Blitzkrieg]

they will not take the hard drive out unless they have some other form of media to save data to. Which will mean it basically has a hard drive.

They have already said in a press release that they are looking to use flash cards and have the option of a hard drive. This may change before release though.

Nintendo, Sony and Micorsoft ALL lose money on sales of their consoles (they break about even after a few years due to prices going down to manufacture the concoles), they make it up through the licensing fees that every developer has to pay to release games on the systems. And out of everyone, Microsfot can afford to lose the most. They could give them away for free if they wanted.

Not true. Nintendo make money on GC sales due to their incredibly low costs of production. This is why they chose not to include DVD playback in the GC, to lower costs of production so that when competition became fierce, they could lower the price of the GC and not lose money like the others. Look at the Panasonic Q machine, it is quite possibly the best console ever made, but Nintendo chose not to use that model as the GC, they went with the simpler one, because of lower costs of production.

XBOX is doing really well in Australia, the GC is getting killed EVERYWHERE, even in Japan, it may have some of the best games but its not selling anywhere near the XBOX or PS2. When a great game comes out, the sales go up a bit for the GC, but they dont come out often enough.

The stats I gave before are true, the GC is not doing that well, but it is doing better everywhere else than it is here, and the XBOX is not doing as well anywhere else as here. Australia's market to these companies means nothing.

You said the majority of the good games are available on other systems, which means that the majority of good games are also on XBOX.

This is where you are most wrong. I said majority of the good games on the XBOX are available on all systems. I DIDN'T say majority of good games are available on all systems. The GameCube has the most and best exclusive titles, followed by the PS2, then the XBOX. So, if all the XBOX's good games are available on the GC and the PS2, but all the GC's best games aren't available on the XBOX, which is the better console?

You obviously dont like Microsoft but you cant stick your head in the sand and pretend everything on it is crap.

I don't think everything on it is crap, but majority of the good shit that is on it is also available on other consoles, and also on those consoles is exclusive games that the XBOX doesn't have. There is only a very small handful of exclusive games on the XBOX that I think are worthwhile, and that is not enough to make it a good console. I am not pretending Panzar Dragoon and ToeJam and Earl (both Sega made games I might add), and Halo aren't good games, and I am interested in how Fable turns out, but that isn't enough to make it a good console.


Your right about M$ not caring about losing money though, which really sucks, and just goes to show that all they are in it for is market share. Another interesting thing is that no-one will ever see how much M$ have lost on this whole console venture, as as a whole company they are still making money so we will never see a reported loss.

 

[KoichCPA]

I started writing a huge reply, but I went off on a tangent that was so far off what I started writing about I changed it.

I'll Summerise the first and last sentance of it. Shut up Spawn. Black people play xbox.

 

[spawn]

A flash card, holographic memory, whatever they use it will have a hard drive of some sort to save to built in when you buy it.

"Nintendo is battling hard for second place in the video-game market against Microsoft Corp., which sells the Xbox. Sony Corp. is the clear market leader. The Japanese company's PlayStation in 2002 outsold the combined sales of GameCube and Xbox 2-to-1, according to market research firm In-Stat/MDR.
By the end of 2003, Sony is expected to have sold 24.3 million units of PlayStation 2. Microsoft and Nintendo are expected to have sold 9.3 million units of the Xbox and 5.7 million units of the GameCube, respectively, according to research firm International Data Corp. "

GC is getting killed by the XBOX Blitzy

Even if the majority of games are available on the other consoles, the XBOX version is always far superior in frame rate and image quality. The GC doesnt have enough great games, sure they might be the best, but releasing one or two brilliant games a year doesnt help much

 

[KoichCPA]

I'd rather play 1 good game every 6 months, then 4000 shit ones every week, which is evident by looking at any games section for ps2 or xbox.

 

[spawn]

Theres enough great games on the PS2 and XBOX to make up for the crap ones. Only idiots buy crap games, and they get what they deserve.

 

[KoichCPA]

The xbox and ps2 have nothing I can't get elsewhere.

 

[spawn]

Yes but you have a pc with emulators

 

[Blitzkrieg]

The GC has more than one or two brilliant games, which is more than one or two more from the XBOX anyway.

When it comes to multiplatform games, the PS2 is clearly the worst of the 3, but the XBOX and GC versions are usually very similar, especially to the naked eye on a normal tv. It is not like the XBOX versions are AMAZINGLY HEAPS better quality or anything. Also, I read that Prince Of Persia may be the first multiplatform game to be superior on the GC.

Those sales figures are mainly attributable to Europe, which I said the GC is coming third in, but is beating the XBOX in Asia and is a close race for second in the US. The GC actually outsold the XBOX in 2003, it was just the poor launch and the XBOX's l33t marketing that got them off the ground with a better start. This is why it may be a tighter race in the next gen, as they will all be released around the same time, and Nintendo will have better launch titles.



Anyway, as I said earlier, M$ will most likely continue to sell well in the market because of the ignorant and stupid general public. It is much the same as the music charts.

 

[spawn]

Mario Sunshine
Metroid Prime
Zelda

Three AAA titles you cant get on any other system...